Saints maybe interested in Big Daddy.

saint5221 · 07-30-2003, 11:52 PM

Sorry to repeat myself from another post but he is no better than what we already have. I\'d rather take a chance on Grady\'s fat ass than Dan\'s fat ass. One problem tackle is enough and if Grady gets it together his upside is better. Both can be good run stuffers, but Grady can also provide a push up the middle and get after the QB, something Dan does not have. I\'d rather see the Saints spend money on back ups at RB and safety than DT right now.

coastalkid · 07-31-2003, 08:06 AM

He was rumored to have attitude problems with the Bengals. They have made that accusation about many players in the past (sound like a CANCER to anyone else?). Some think it was to cover up their coaching and GM problems. I don\'t know. I can\'t think of another player let go by the Bengals that really caught on with anyone else. Can you?

Takeo Spikes... you\'ll be hearing about this guy real soon. We missed out on this guy big time!

tweeky · 07-31-2003, 08:11 AM

One problem tackle is enough and if Grady gets it together his upside is better.

That say it all!

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-31-2003, 08:21 AM

I have read no where that Wilkinson has an attitude problem. Some one got something to back that up with?

LordOfEntropy · 07-31-2003, 10:48 AM

Can\'t find the article I read about offseason conditioning complaints. I did find the one about him not working training camp, but that\'s not his fault - they don\'t want him getting injured and having to pay the full contract cost if he\'s hurt.

The good news is that he\'s in the low 300\'s right now. But the bad news, of course, is that he\'s had weight, motivation, and performance problems his entire career.

The bright aspect of Wilkinson\'s situation is his trimmed weight (he\'s in the low 300s now, after settling in the 350-pound range last season). He is determined to play leaner and stronger this year.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/WAS/6456929

The year before, defensive tackle Dan \"Big Daddy\" Wilkinson was considered the logical pick at No. 1 overall, but he struggled with weight problems and never achieved his promise.
http://fantasy.sportingnews.com/nfl/...27/465519.html

A partial list of weight problems would include Pete Johnson (No. 2, 1977); Freddie Childress (No. 2, 1989); Dan Wilkinson (No. 1, 1994); and Ki-Jana Carter (No. 1, 1995) this past spring.
http://www.enquirer.com/columns/sull...080297_ts.html

And don\'t forget Ki-Jana Carter and Ohio State\'s Dan \"Big Daddy\" Wilkinson. Both are former No. 1 overall picks who flopped in Cincinnati. Carter, a promising running back from Penn State, blew out his knee in his first NFL preseason game in Detroit, while Wilkinson, a behemoth defensive tackle, struggled with weight problems and never achieved his full potential.
http://www.newbernsj.com/Details.cfm?StoryID=8520

THE TOP TEN DRAFT DAY BLUNDERS of the last 12 years.
8. (1994) BENGALS BUNGLE THE TOP PICK; SELECT THE SMALL DADDY. Wilkinson is in fact the Big Daddy but he plays smaller than anyone you know.
http://www.ffmastermind.com/2000/articles/br041000.html

Bengals\' own woeful draft history.... ignominious top choices like \'Big Daddy\' Wilkinson....
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/extrapo...pril22003.html

Over fifty five million dollars was spent by the Redskins to acquire \"Big Daddy\" Wilkinson and Dana Stubblefied. So far, the results have been negligible.
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8772/archive98.htm

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-31-2003, 11:12 AM

I read through all of that and still don\'t see anything about attitude problems. I stil think if we can get him at the right price, we should do it.

LordOfEntropy · 07-31-2003, 11:30 AM

What about in your own link? You wouldn\'t define this as an attitude problem?

\"he does not perform at a high level consistently and doesnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t play with fire or emotion.... wary of bringing in a player who has never pushed himself and plug him in next to a young.....\"

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-31-2003, 11:36 AM

What about in your own link? You wouldn\'t define this as an attitude problem?

\"he does not perform at a high level consistently and doesnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t play with fire or emotion.... wary of bringing in a player who has never pushed himself and plug him in next to a young.....\"

That\'s a motivation problem, not an attitude problem. Kyle Turley was an attitude problem. To me the potential payoff is worth the risk. Nothing ventured-Nothing gained. Even if he comes in and slacks off, I don\'t see other players following his example.

ScottyRo · 07-31-2003, 12:05 PM

Billy, I think you\'re splitting hairs on the \"motivation problem, not an attitude problem\" remark. For one thing, I think the designation \"attitude problem\" encompasses a host of problems including, but not limited to, disrespect for authority (Turley), not getting along with teammates (Turley) and lack of motivation (Wilkinson). So, Wilkinson\'s attitude problem is that he lacks motivatin to play as hard as coaches would like him to.

Regardless of any of that, I just don\'t see this guy being Haslet\'s type of FA. Haslet tends to bring in players with a huge upside or that were under-utilized by their former team. Of course, there are going to be exceptions to his philosophy, but who was the last \"big name\" player he brought in? People on this board were screaming all off season that the saints didn\'t go after any big names. I wouldn\'t think that would change now.

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-31-2003, 12:16 PM

Scotty,

The fact is the Redskins still want Wilkinson back. That should tell you right there that Wilkinson doesn\'t have an attutide problem, but simply hasn\'t lived up to his big contract. The guy has been a huge disappointment because he was the first overall pick.

Attitude problems are much different than not living up to expectations and/or slacking off. Looking at it from your perspective the same thing can be said of Grady Jackson, yet he\'s still with the Saints.

Bottom line is that Wilkinson still has a chance to make something out of his career. He\'s done nothing dramatic enough to not be considered.

[Edited on 31/7/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

07-30-2003, 11:52 PM	#11
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	Saints maybe interested in Big Daddy. Sorry to repeat myself from another post but he is no better than what we already have. I\'d rather take a chance on Grady\'s fat ass than Dan\'s fat ass. One problem tackle is enough and if Grady gets it together his upside is better. Both can be good run stuffers, but Grady can also provide a push up the middle and get after the QB, something Dan does not have. I\'d rather see the Saints spend money on back ups at RB and safety than DT right now.
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07-31-2003, 08:06 AM	#12
coastalkid 100th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: Spain Posts: 287	Saints maybe interested in Big Daddy. He was rumored to have attitude problems with the Bengals. They have made that accusation about many players in the past (sound like a CANCER to anyone else?). Some think it was to cover up their coaching and GM problems. I don\'t know. I can\'t think of another player let go by the Bengals that really caught on with anyone else. Can you? Takeo Spikes... you\'ll be hearing about this guy real soon. We missed out on this guy big time!

07-31-2003, 08:11 AM	#13
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Saints maybe interested in Big Daddy. One problem tackle is enough and if Grady gets it together his upside is better. That say it all!

07-31-2003, 08:21 AM	#14
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints maybe interested in Big Daddy. I have read no where that Wilkinson has an attitude problem. Some one got something to back that up with?
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07-31-2003, 10:48 AM	#15
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Saints maybe interested in Big Daddy. Can\'t find the article I read about offseason conditioning complaints. I did find the one about him not working training camp, but that\'s not his fault - they don\'t want him getting injured and having to pay the full contract cost if he\'s hurt. The good news is that he\'s in the low 300\'s right now. But the bad news, of course, is that he\'s had weight, motivation, and performance problems his entire career. The bright aspect of Wilkinson\'s situation is his trimmed weight (he\'s in the low 300s now, after settling in the 350-pound range last season). He is determined to play leaner and stronger this year. http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/WAS/6456929 The year before, defensive tackle Dan \"Big Daddy\" Wilkinson was considered the logical pick at No. 1 overall, but he struggled with weight problems and never achieved his promise. http://fantasy.sportingnews.com/nfl/...27/465519.html A partial list of weight problems would include Pete Johnson (No. 2, 1977); Freddie Childress (No. 2, 1989); Dan Wilkinson (No. 1, 1994); and Ki-Jana Carter (No. 1, 1995) this past spring. http://www.enquirer.com/columns/sull...080297_ts.html And don\'t forget Ki-Jana Carter and Ohio State\'s Dan \"Big Daddy\" Wilkinson. Both are former No. 1 overall picks who flopped in Cincinnati. Carter, a promising running back from Penn State, blew out his knee in his first NFL preseason game in Detroit, while Wilkinson, a behemoth defensive tackle, struggled with weight problems and never achieved his full potential. http://www.newbernsj.com/Details.cfm?StoryID=8520 THE TOP TEN DRAFT DAY BLUNDERS of the last 12 years. 8. (1994) BENGALS BUNGLE THE TOP PICK; SELECT THE SMALL DADDY. Wilkinson is in fact the Big Daddy but he plays smaller than anyone you know. http://www.ffmastermind.com/2000/articles/br041000.html Bengals\' own woeful draft history.... ignominious top choices like \'Big Daddy\' Wilkinson.... http://espn.go.com/espnradio/extrapo...pril22003.html Over fifty five million dollars was spent by the Redskins to acquire \"Big Daddy\" Wilkinson and Dana Stubblefied. So far, the results have been negligible. http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8772/archive98.htm
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07-31-2003, 11:12 AM	#16
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints maybe interested in Big Daddy. I read through all of that and still don\'t see anything about attitude problems. I stil think if we can get him at the right price, we should do it.
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07-31-2003, 11:30 AM	#17
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Saints maybe interested in Big Daddy. What about in your own link? You wouldn\'t define this as an attitude problem? \"he does not perform at a high level consistently and doesnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t play with fire or emotion.... wary of bringing in a player who has never pushed himself and plug him in next to a young.....\"

07-31-2003, 11:36 AM	#18
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints maybe interested in Big Daddy. What about in your own link? You wouldn\'t define this as an attitude problem? \"he does not perform at a high level consistently and doesnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t play with fire or emotion.... wary of bringing in a player who has never pushed himself and plug him in next to a young.....\" That\'s a motivation problem, not an attitude problem. Kyle Turley was an attitude problem. To me the potential payoff is worth the risk. Nothing ventured-Nothing gained. Even if he comes in and slacks off, I don\'t see other players following his example.
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07-31-2003, 12:05 PM	#19
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Saints maybe interested in Big Daddy. Billy, I think you\'re splitting hairs on the \"motivation problem, not an attitude problem\" remark. For one thing, I think the designation \"attitude problem\" encompasses a host of problems including, but not limited to, disrespect for authority (Turley), not getting along with teammates (Turley) and lack of motivation (Wilkinson). So, Wilkinson\'s attitude problem is that he lacks motivatin to play as hard as coaches would like him to. Regardless of any of that, I just don\'t see this guy being Haslet\'s type of FA. Haslet tends to bring in players with a huge upside or that were under-utilized by their former team. Of course, there are going to be exceptions to his philosophy, but who was the last \"big name\" player he brought in? People on this board were screaming all off season that the saints didn\'t go after any big names. I wouldn\'t think that would change now.

07-31-2003, 12:16 PM	#20
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints maybe interested in Big Daddy. Scotty, The fact is the Redskins still want Wilkinson back. That should tell you right there that Wilkinson doesn\'t have an attutide problem, but simply hasn\'t lived up to his big contract. The guy has been a huge disappointment because he was the first overall pick. Attitude problems are much different than not living up to expectations and/or slacking off. Looking at it from your perspective the same thing can be said of Grady Jackson, yet he\'s still with the Saints. Bottom line is that Wilkinson still has a chance to make something out of his career. He\'s done nothing dramatic enough to not be considered. [Edited on 31/7/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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