Jason David proves everyone wrong!

papz · 11-15-2007, 03:54 PM

EVERYONE??? thats a lie. Whodat and I agree so that statement is WRONG.

On what? That he can tackle? That he plays with intensity? That's great. Too bad he couldn't cover a snail.

Are your reading everything??? He's the best option we have. Fred Thomas isn't going to contribute more but less. Craft less. Young can't run with the big boys just yet. David is the best option we have and he is contributing none the less. I am not saying he's a #1 cover guy but he's the best we got right now so we have to suck it up and go with it and hopes he gets his mind out of the cover 2 mindset.

Judging by his play, you are wrong. Craft has outplayed David by far... and it's pathetic that he is. Can someone disagree with this? And, how do you know Young isn't ready yet? I'm not saying he is either but obviously David isn't. He hasn't show anything besides as you point out... he can tackle. We're competing to win the division, this is not the time to let someone learn on the job... especially as our #2 corner. That's why you EASE him in there until he can do something other than tackle.

Aside from getting burnt on some routes he has contributed. 8th in tackles and tied for 1st in INT's. You wanna bench him and put your grandmother out there who can run a 40 in 5minutes and 49 seconds? You can't bench someone if you don't have someone better who can come in and play.

Stats are for losers. Does that ring a bell? ROFL. Do you know what hypocrite means?

Thank god he can tackle... as many passes are completed on him, he sure has plenty of opportunities to make the tackle. Great job, great example, and great stat. ROFL. And if I remember correctly... one of David's pick came on an overthrown pass in which he was 6 plus yards off the receiver and it was right in his hands. Good one.

Give me a name other than Young who can contribute more than David??? There isn't any.

Jason Craft... yes Jason Craft.

Seriously watch him on other plays other than the ones that obvious was his fault and you'll see he is playing with great intensity and making plays. He's contributing. If he wasn't doing all the other things then I would say Hell yes bench him for Young or Craft but until then we are stuck with David.

I'm going to rip my hair out with all this go watch the film crap... Ray Charles can see how bad David is playing. And you're definately right, he's contributing... FOR THE OTHER TEAM.

Sorry.

Is definately the right word.

Until David can show he deserves to start, he has no business doing so. Start Craft or Thomas until our talented free agent corner can show us something.

If David starts this week... God please don't let him cover Andre Johnson. If he does, we might be in for a long day.

LordOfEntropy · 11-15-2007, 04:32 PM

Sorry Euph, but I'm with Papz on this one. JD simply isn't happening. I'd rather see Young, or even Jason Craft (yes I even said Jason Craft!) in the starter position.

JD isn't making it.

Euphoria · 11-15-2007, 04:38 PM

Ok you're going overboard with your post. He's made plays and some damn good ones. You obviously didn't see them and overlooking them.

He has out played Craft and you have to see that with your eyes. He's got more speed and looking to make plays across the board. The ONLY flaw has been mentally not taking the bite on shorter routes and covering the deep guy he is suppose to be one on one with.

Young is not ready to be a number 1 nor 2 cover guy. You can tell it by watching him in action in the nickeal. He is a guy learning the speed of the game still. Putting him on an island with a number 2 professional WR will be bad news.

Geeting back to craft I guess we already forgot how he was picked on a couple of years ago. He got playing time because FT got blasted and picked on. I am a Craft supporter... I like the guy but he isn't better than David. NO WAY. If we had another CB better than David he'd be out there and David will be in the Nickeal not Craft.

The real problem is that you are only seeing the plays he has been picked on but not seeing what ALL he is doing out there. He doesn't suck just mental errors and lack of disipline which can be contributed to him still converting to more man to man from Indy's cover 2 or Lack of coaching on our D.

Euphoria · 11-15-2007, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

Sorry Euph, but I'm with Papz on this one. JD simply isn't happening. I'd rather see Young, or even Jason Craft (yes I even said Jason Craft!) in the starter position.

JD isn't making it.

Might as well start Martin over Brees right... Brees is 4-5.

LordOfEntropy · 11-15-2007, 04:48 PM

I guess we just disagree on strategies.

1) From what I gather from your line of thinking, JD is our best option in a bad situation, even though he's not really good enough. So play him, cause there's no better option.

2) From my line of thinking, he will fail any, so try something else. At least Young has a -possibility- of doing better. If Young fails as well, big deal, we were failing anyway.

Different philosophies.

WhoDat205 · 11-15-2007, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

I guess we just disagree on strategies.

1) From what I gather from your line of thinking, JD is our best option in a bad situation, even though he's not really good enough. So play him, cause there's no better option.

2) From my line of thinking, he will fail any, so try something else. At least Young has a -possibility- of doing better. If Young fails as well, big deal, we were failing anyway.

Different philosophies.

I second, all those in favor of passing starting Young over David say "Aye". Those opposed?

Then it's decided. We fans still have no say.

Meeting adjourned.

Euphoria · 11-15-2007, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

I guess we just disagree on strategies.

1) From what I gather from your line of thinking, JD is our best option in a bad situation, even though he's not really good enough. So play him, cause there's no better option.

2) From my line of thinking, he will fail any, so try something else. At least Young has a -possibility- of doing better. If Young fails as well, big deal, we were failing anyway.

Different philosophies.

Totally agree with you and yes 1 is my theory. But You might as well start Martin because Brees isn't getting it done either. You can't do that though. You have to put your best man out on the field. People with the #2 theory (please don't take this personal) They aren't watching whats going on on the field on every play and every position and only care about certain plays/players. They don't have the luxury of seeing whats going on in pratice.

You can't start Martin over Brees... Guess who the Field Goal Kicker is going to be this week -Mare, Why? He's the best we got.

You don't start Colston kicking field goals in this weekes coming game just to see what he can do.

papz · 11-15-2007, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Ok you're going overboard with your post. He's made plays and some damn good ones. You obviously didn't see them and overlooking them.

Yea in games 5, 6, and 7. He was outstanding.

He has out played Craft and you have to see that with your eyes. He's got more speed and looking to make plays across the board.

I'm glad you're the only one that sees that.

The ONLY flaw has been mentally not taking the bite on shorter routes and covering the deep guy he is suppose to be one on one with.

Which is leading to numerous of big plays and easily converted first downs.

Young is not ready to be a number 1 nor 2 cover guy. You can tell it by watching him in action in the nickeal. He is a guy learning the speed of the game still. Putting him on an island with a number 2 professional WR will be bad news.

Your guess is as good as mines on this. From what I've gathered, many like what they've seen from him in limited play. We know what we're going to get from David, not Young.

Geeting back to craft I guess we already forgot how he was picked on a couple of years ago. He got playing time because FT got blasted and picked on. I am a Craft supporter... I like the guy but he isn't better than David. NO WAY. If we had another CB better than David he'd be out there and David will be in the Nickeal not Craft.

Why are you living in the past? This is the present. He's playing better than David and deserves to be starting over him as of now. What he did in the past is irrelevant.

The real problem is that you are only seeing the plays he has been picked on but not seeing what ALL he is doing out there.

No the real problem is you're completely oblivious on how poorly David is playing.

He doesn't suck just mental errors and lack of discipline which can be contributed to him still converting to more man to man from Indy's cover 2 or Lack of coaching on our D.

Read what you just wrote and tell me why he deserves to start right now? Mental errors and lack of discipline is a recipe for disaster at any starting position. Does that not describe rookies coming into the league? Who in the world wants to start a player with those qualities?

I have concluded that today must be April 1st. There is no other explanation.

Euphoria · 11-15-2007, 05:17 PM

Ok now your posts are for humor right?

I totally am well aware of Davids errors and have pointed them out... are you not reading those portions?

David is playing better than Thomas and Craft, period. The past is VERY relevant or David wouldn't be in a Saints uniform now would he, if Thomas and Craft were better David would be else where. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if they were better, since he's not here right.

Euphoria · 11-15-2007, 05:18 PM

Who are we starting at QB this week? I hope not a 4-5 QB.

11-15-2007, 03:54 PM	#41
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! EVERYONE??? thats a lie. Whodat and I agree so that statement is WRONG. On what? That he can tackle? That he plays with intensity? That's great. Too bad he couldn't cover a snail. Are your reading everything??? He's the best option we have. Fred Thomas isn't going to contribute more but less. Craft less. Young can't run with the big boys just yet. David is the best option we have and he is contributing none the less. I am not saying he's a #1 cover guy but he's the best we got right now so we have to suck it up and go with it and hopes he gets his mind out of the cover 2 mindset. Judging by his play, you are wrong. Craft has outplayed David by far... and it's pathetic that he is. Can someone disagree with this? And, how do you know Young isn't ready yet? I'm not saying he is either but obviously David isn't. He hasn't show anything besides as you point out... he can tackle. We're competing to win the division, this is not the time to let someone learn on the job... especially as our #2 corner. That's why you EASE him in there until he can do something other than tackle. Aside from getting burnt on some routes he has contributed. 8th in tackles and tied for 1st in INT's. You wanna bench him and put your grandmother out there who can run a 40 in 5minutes and 49 seconds? You can't bench someone if you don't have someone better who can come in and play. Stats are for losers. Does that ring a bell? ROFL. Do you know what hypocrite means? Thank god he can tackle... as many passes are completed on him, he sure has plenty of opportunities to make the tackle. Great job, great example, and great stat. ROFL. And if I remember correctly... one of David's pick came on an overthrown pass in which he was 6 plus yards off the receiver and it was right in his hands. Good one. Give me a name other than Young who can contribute more than David??? There isn't any. Jason Craft... yes Jason Craft. Seriously watch him on other plays other than the ones that obvious was his fault and you'll see he is playing with great intensity and making plays. He's contributing. If he wasn't doing all the other things then I would say Hell yes bench him for Young or Craft but until then we are stuck with David. I'm going to rip my hair out with all this go watch the film crap... Ray Charles can see how bad David is playing. And you're definately right, he's contributing... FOR THE OTHER TEAM. Sorry. Is definately the right word. Until David can show he deserves to start, he has no business doing so. Start Craft or Thomas until our talented free agent corner can show us something. If David starts this week... God please don't let him cover Andre Johnson. If he does, we might be in for a long day.
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11-15-2007, 04:32 PM	#42
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Sorry Euph, but I'm with Papz on this one. JD simply isn't happening. I'd rather see Young, or even Jason Craft (yes I even said Jason Craft!) in the starter position. JD isn't making it.

11-15-2007, 04:38 PM	#43
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Ok you're going overboard with your post. He's made plays and some damn good ones. You obviously didn't see them and overlooking them. He has out played Craft and you have to see that with your eyes. He's got more speed and looking to make plays across the board. The ONLY flaw has been mentally not taking the bite on shorter routes and covering the deep guy he is suppose to be one on one with. Young is not ready to be a number 1 nor 2 cover guy. You can tell it by watching him in action in the nickeal. He is a guy learning the speed of the game still. Putting him on an island with a number 2 professional WR will be bad news. Geeting back to craft I guess we already forgot how he was picked on a couple of years ago. He got playing time because FT got blasted and picked on. I am a Craft supporter... I like the guy but he isn't better than David. NO WAY. If we had another CB better than David he'd be out there and David will be in the Nickeal not Craft. The real problem is that you are only seeing the plays he has been picked on but not seeing what ALL he is doing out there. He doesn't suck just mental errors and lack of disipline which can be contributed to him still converting to more man to man from Indy's cover 2 or Lack of coaching on our D.
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11-15-2007, 04:40 PM	#44
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy Sorry Euph, but I'm with Papz on this one. JD simply isn't happening. I'd rather see Young, or even Jason Craft (yes I even said Jason Craft!) in the starter position. JD isn't making it. Might as well start Martin over Brees right... Brees is 4-5.

11-15-2007, 04:48 PM	#45
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! I guess we just disagree on strategies. 1) From what I gather from your line of thinking, JD is our best option in a bad situation, even though he's not really good enough. So play him, cause there's no better option. 2) From my line of thinking, he will fail any, so try something else. At least Young has a -possibility- of doing better. If Young fails as well, big deal, we were failing anyway. Different philosophies.

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WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy I guess we just disagree on strategies. 1) From what I gather from your line of thinking, JD is our best option in a bad situation, even though he's not really good enough. So play him, cause there's no better option. 2) From my line of thinking, he will fail any, so try something else. At least Young has a -possibility- of doing better. If Young fails as well, big deal, we were failing anyway. Different philosophies. I second, all those in favor of passing starting Young over David say "Aye". Those opposed? Then it's decided. We fans still have no say. Meeting adjourned.

11-15-2007, 04:57 PM	#47
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy I guess we just disagree on strategies. 1) From what I gather from your line of thinking, JD is our best option in a bad situation, even though he's not really good enough. So play him, cause there's no better option. 2) From my line of thinking, he will fail any, so try something else. At least Young has a -possibility- of doing better. If Young fails as well, big deal, we were failing anyway. Different philosophies. Totally agree with you and yes 1 is my theory. But You might as well start Martin because Brees isn't getting it done either. You can't do that though. You have to put your best man out on the field. People with the #2 theory (please don't take this personal) They aren't watching whats going on on the field on every play and every position and only care about certain plays/players. They don't have the luxury of seeing whats going on in pratice. You can't start Martin over Brees... Guess who the Field Goal Kicker is going to be this week -Mare, Why? He's the best we got. You don't start Colston kicking field goals in this weekes coming game just to see what he can do.
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11-15-2007, 05:06 PM	#48
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Originally Posted by Euphoria Ok you're going overboard with your post. He's made plays and some damn good ones. You obviously didn't see them and overlooking them. Yea in games 5, 6, and 7. He was outstanding. He has out played Craft and you have to see that with your eyes. He's got more speed and looking to make plays across the board. I'm glad you're the only one that sees that. The ONLY flaw has been mentally not taking the bite on shorter routes and covering the deep guy he is suppose to be one on one with. Which is leading to numerous of big plays and easily converted first downs. Young is not ready to be a number 1 nor 2 cover guy. You can tell it by watching him in action in the nickeal. He is a guy learning the speed of the game still. Putting him on an island with a number 2 professional WR will be bad news. Your guess is as good as mines on this. From what I've gathered, many like what they've seen from him in limited play. We know what we're going to get from David, not Young. Geeting back to craft I guess we already forgot how he was picked on a couple of years ago. He got playing time because FT got blasted and picked on. I am a Craft supporter... I like the guy but he isn't better than David. NO WAY. If we had another CB better than David he'd be out there and David will be in the Nickeal not Craft. Why are you living in the past? This is the present. He's playing better than David and deserves to be starting over him as of now. What he did in the past is irrelevant. The real problem is that you are only seeing the plays he has been picked on but not seeing what ALL he is doing out there. No the real problem is you're completely oblivious on how poorly David is playing. He doesn't suck just mental errors and lack of discipline which can be contributed to him still converting to more man to man from Indy's cover 2 or Lack of coaching on our D. Read what you just wrote and tell me why he deserves to start right now? Mental errors and lack of discipline is a recipe for disaster at any starting position. Does that not describe rookies coming into the league? Who in the world wants to start a player with those qualities? I have concluded that today must be April 1st. There is no other explanation.
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11-15-2007, 05:17 PM	#49
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Ok now your posts are for humor right? I totally am well aware of Davids errors and have pointed them out... are you not reading those portions? David is playing better than Thomas and Craft, period. The past is VERY relevant or David wouldn't be in a Saints uniform now would he, if Thomas and Craft were better David would be else where. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if they were better, since he's not here right.

11-15-2007, 05:18 PM	#50
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Who are we starting at QB this week? I hope not a 4-5 QB.