It's not all on Jason David

Euphoria · 11-21-2007, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Neither is David for that matter. Yet you're still in favor of starting David, stating that he isn't bad, good tackler, plays with great intensity, and he's the best we have.

All proven to be wrong.

So you'd be in favor of starting 10 people on Defense instead of 11?

I think everyone has forgot how bad Fred Thomas was picked on... it was way worse and he made no plays. We go out and bring Craft in becuase he was so bad. Craft couldn't get the job done as a starting CB so we go out and look for another CB. The best CB's on our roster outside of MM is David and I'd start craft in the Nickeal.

You want to make the D better I suggest you fire the D Coach and get someone with a philosophy that works and knows how to coach these guys up and play DISIPLINED FOOTBALL. The problem is that we aren't playing disiplined football and that falls squarely on the Coaches no one else. When players aren't in the position they are suppose to be in to make plays its because they don't know where they are suppose to be or what they are suppose to be doing. That my friends is the problem. Its not one player its all of them on that D. No one is getting the job done.

When you call a defense play if you will. Everyone is suppose to know what the others are doing and where everyones area of responsiblity. They are clueless out there at times. COACHES FAULT not coaching up the D and preparing the dam team each week.

Do you think its funny that the D coach and others came from Dallas who weren't that good and now all of sudden they lose the coaches and now Dallas is good HMMMMM.

andersen · 11-21-2007, 02:06 PM

Coach Gibbs Bio from the saints website (seems like PR crap to me)

When Sean Payton was hired, the first coach he pursued for his staff was defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs, and the addition of the experienced coach immediately paid dividends as Gibbs melded a unit with five new starters into one of the NFL’s most improved defenses. New Orleans ranked 11th in the league in defense in 2006, including third vs. the pass by allowing just 178.4 yards per contest.

With the disciplined, aggressive approach that Gibbs instilled, the Saints surrendered 17 points or less in eight games and gave up 76 points fewer than it had the year before. New Orleans posted 38 sacks and had 10 players record over 50 tackles. The Saints finished second in the NFC in the fewest first downs allowed (262), led the conference in pass defense and ranked sixth in the league in third-down efficiency allowed (34.7).

Gibbs came to New Orleans after spending the previous four years as the linebackers coach for the Dallas Cowboys, where he served on the same staff as Payton from 2003-05. It was Gibbs’ first NFL assignment after accumulating 22 years of college coaching experience, including six as head coach at the University of Oklahoma.

During Gibbs’ tenure in Dallas, the linebackers were one of the club’s most productive position groups and led an aggressive, opportunistic defense. Each year under his direction, linebackers finished at the top of the club’s tackle charts and posted some of the best totals in franchise history. It was also with Dallas where Gibbs first worked with current Saints’ standouts Scott Fujita (2005) and Scott Shanle (2003-05).

In 2005, Gibbs played a key role in the Cowboys’ transition to a 3-4 defensive alignment. With young players and first-year starters filling key positions, the linebackers were the defense’s top playmakers. In his first year in Dallas after being acquired in a trade on the eve of the regular-season opener, Fujita had 58 tackles, a pair of sacks and two forced fumbles while starting the last eight games.

The Cowboys’ three starting linebackers finished 2004 ranked in the top six on the team in tackles. Dat Nguyen was the club leader with 135 stops and added a career-high three interceptions. In 2003, the linebacker corps led the Cowboys defensive charge with the top two tacklers on the squad. In Gibbs’ first season in Dallas, LB Dexter Coakley led the club with 173 stops, the second-highest total in club history.

papz · 11-21-2007, 02:14 PM

So you'd be in favor of starting 10 people on Defense instead of 11?

I think everyone has forgot how bad Fred Thomas was picked on... it was way worse and he made no plays. We go out and bring Craft in becuase he was so bad. Craft couldn't get the job done as a starting CB so we go out and look for another CB. The best CB's on our roster outside of MM is David and I'd start craft in the Nickeal.

I covered my stance on that at least 10 times the past couple of weeks. Don't feel the need to repeat myself over and over and over and over and over.

You want to make the D better I suggest you fire the D Coach and get someone with a philosophy that works and knows how to coach these guys up and play DISIPLINED FOOTBALL.

I can agree with that.

The problem is that we aren't playing disiplined football and that falls squarely on the Coaches no one else. When players aren't in the position they are suppose to be in to make plays its because they don't know where they are suppose to be or what they are suppose to be doing. That my friends is the problem. Its not one player its all of them on that D. No one is getting the job done.

Incorrect. Players make plays. You can come up with the best schemes in the world but if the players can't execute, it makes no difference.

When you call a defense play if you will. Everyone is suppose to know what the others are doing and where everyones area of responsiblity. They are clueless out there at times. COACHES FAULT not coaching up the D and preparing the dam team each week.

Both are at fault.

Do you think its funny that the D coach and others came from Dallas who weren't that good and now all of sudden they lose the coaches and now Dallas is good HMMMMM.

You obviously are clueless. I believe in Parcells tenure with these coaches, they only had one subpar season defensively. Am I going to dig it out for you... nah. No point posting something you're going to completely ignore because "stats are for losers".

TheDeuce · 11-21-2007, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I think everyone has forgot how bad Fred Thomas was picked on... it was way worse and he made no plays.

No way I'm buying that one. Fred gave up 2 touchdowns last year during his "toast" phase, right? David has given up about 1 a game while he's been healthy.

And don't forget that the only reason why Fred got burnt so bad was because he is waaaaaayyyyyyy past his prime. He got beat because he's lost a step. Jason David cannot claim the same thing. He's supposed to be entering his prime right now, and he's getting beaten more consistently than any cornerback I've ever seen. The guy is terrible.

Sure he has had a few "plays" that he's made, but do they make up for the 5 or 6 touchdowns he's given up? Not even close. Hearing his name literally makes me want to puke. I don't even feel bad for him, that's how bad he is. Typically I would feel a little sympathy for a guy who gets beaten that badly, but Jason David makes me want to vomit. There's no excuse for playing him. I'd move Roman Harper or somebody over to CB before I put Jason David in there again.

On a side note: WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO PAYTON NOT PLAYING FAVORITES? (DAVID, SIMONEAU, MARE....)

CheramieIII · 11-21-2007, 08:03 PM

Bullocks should have been the center fielder on that play but got suckered into a play action so bad his momma is still trying to get up from the stroke she had, but David should have had the coverage no doubt. 75% David, 25% Bullocks and if I see David jogging after another wide receiver who just beat him by 20 yards I'm gonna, well do nothing because I'm not Payvid (my new name for coach payton since he's joined at the hip with David) but if I were I would bench him early, soon and often, like right freaking now. Even if coach has faith in him no one else on the team does and that hurt's the team. Hell, David even know's he's screwing up every game and ain't doing a damn thing to change it, same ole same ole in the Big Easy folks.

Johnson should be fined a games pay for that crap. He gets paid good money to what? Oh yeah deflect balls so the other team can catch them, what a freaking loser.

We need a defensive coach and Gibbs isn't it, ever wonder why the Big Tuna was ok with let some of the coaches come on over, because he knew they were crap.

Coach better pull his head out quick. Thomas is a great athlete probably a better runner than Reggie from behind the line and we don't play him. Why Coach, Why? Because your stupid that's why or I guess we need to showcase Bush for the NFL and his sponsors. Are you getting a kickback for the crap.

Man it's the same ole crap in the Big Easy and we should all be mad as hell. Just when you think they're going to do it they freaking fold, Does anyone remember our first playoff game. When the hopes were so high, or the playoff game in New Orleans against the Vikings and we got beat 400 to 3 or something like that. We've all seen this crap before and we shouldn't be surprised but we should be mad as hell.

I'm gonna give coach the benefit of the doubt until the second game of next season then I'm taking the gloves off. He earned that much from last year, but coach get your head out dude and soon because it's going to get ugly if you don't pay attention/ I don't think you will last as long as Haslett did and once you get fired from New Orleans head coaching jobs are hard to find in the NFL.

dasaints26 · 11-21-2007, 11:23 PM

What is up with this defense? Last year we ranked great against the pass mainly I think because teams knew it was easier to run against us. No reason to pass the ball when you can just run it up the middle for 4 or 5 yd gains. We really sucked against the run. This year with a few personnel changes (JD) teams realize no reason running the ball just throw a couple deep passes or slants over the middle and get a quick score. Maybe they should play nickel package all the time and force teams to run the ball at least limit the big play make the other team use at least 5 plays to score. If the other team only uses 2 wr use the nickel back to doulbe team with JD.

11-21-2007, 12:42 PM	#21
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: It's not all on Jason David Originally Posted by papz Neither is David for that matter. Yet you're still in favor of starting David, stating that he isn't bad, good tackler, plays with great intensity, and he's the best we have. All proven to be wrong. So you'd be in favor of starting 10 people on Defense instead of 11? I think everyone has forgot how bad Fred Thomas was picked on... it was way worse and he made no plays. We go out and bring Craft in becuase he was so bad. Craft couldn't get the job done as a starting CB so we go out and look for another CB. The best CB's on our roster outside of MM is David and I'd start craft in the Nickeal. You want to make the D better I suggest you fire the D Coach and get someone with a philosophy that works and knows how to coach these guys up and play DISIPLINED FOOTBALL. The problem is that we aren't playing disiplined football and that falls squarely on the Coaches no one else. When players aren't in the position they are suppose to be in to make plays its because they don't know where they are suppose to be or what they are suppose to be doing. That my friends is the problem. Its not one player its all of them on that D. No one is getting the job done. When you call a defense play if you will. Everyone is suppose to know what the others are doing and where everyones area of responsiblity. They are clueless out there at times. COACHES FAULT not coaching up the D and preparing the dam team each week. Do you think its funny that the D coach and others came from Dallas who weren't that good and now all of sudden they lose the coaches and now Dallas is good HMMMMM.
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11-21-2007, 02:06 PM	#22
andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: It's not all on Jason David Coach Gibbs Bio from the saints website (seems like PR crap to me) When Sean Payton was hired, the first coach he pursued for his staff was defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs, and the addition of the experienced coach immediately paid dividends as Gibbs melded a unit with five new starters into one of the NFL’s most improved defenses. New Orleans ranked 11th in the league in defense in 2006, including third vs. the pass by allowing just 178.4 yards per contest. With the disciplined, aggressive approach that Gibbs instilled, the Saints surrendered 17 points or less in eight games and gave up 76 points fewer than it had the year before. New Orleans posted 38 sacks and had 10 players record over 50 tackles. The Saints finished second in the NFC in the fewest first downs allowed (262), led the conference in pass defense and ranked sixth in the league in third-down efficiency allowed (34.7). Gibbs came to New Orleans after spending the previous four years as the linebackers coach for the Dallas Cowboys, where he served on the same staff as Payton from 2003-05. It was Gibbs’ first NFL assignment after accumulating 22 years of college coaching experience, including six as head coach at the University of Oklahoma. During Gibbs’ tenure in Dallas, the linebackers were one of the club’s most productive position groups and led an aggressive, opportunistic defense. Each year under his direction, linebackers finished at the top of the club’s tackle charts and posted some of the best totals in franchise history. It was also with Dallas where Gibbs first worked with current Saints’ standouts Scott Fujita (2005) and Scott Shanle (2003-05). In 2005, Gibbs played a key role in the Cowboys’ transition to a 3-4 defensive alignment. With young players and first-year starters filling key positions, the linebackers were the defense’s top playmakers. In his first year in Dallas after being acquired in a trade on the eve of the regular-season opener, Fujita had 58 tackles, a pair of sacks and two forced fumbles while starting the last eight games. The Cowboys’ three starting linebackers finished 2004 ranked in the top six on the team in tackles. Dat Nguyen was the club leader with 135 stops and added a career-high three interceptions. In 2003, the linebacker corps led the Cowboys defensive charge with the top two tacklers on the squad. In Gibbs’ first season in Dallas, LB Dexter Coakley led the club with 173 stops, the second-highest total in club history.
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11-21-2007, 02:14 PM	#23
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: It's not all on Jason David So you'd be in favor of starting 10 people on Defense instead of 11? I think everyone has forgot how bad Fred Thomas was picked on... it was way worse and he made no plays. We go out and bring Craft in becuase he was so bad. Craft couldn't get the job done as a starting CB so we go out and look for another CB. The best CB's on our roster outside of MM is David and I'd start craft in the Nickeal. I covered my stance on that at least 10 times the past couple of weeks. Don't feel the need to repeat myself over and over and over and over and over. You want to make the D better I suggest you fire the D Coach and get someone with a philosophy that works and knows how to coach these guys up and play DISIPLINED FOOTBALL. I can agree with that. The problem is that we aren't playing disiplined football and that falls squarely on the Coaches no one else. When players aren't in the position they are suppose to be in to make plays its because they don't know where they are suppose to be or what they are suppose to be doing. That my friends is the problem. Its not one player its all of them on that D. No one is getting the job done. Incorrect. Players make plays. You can come up with the best schemes in the world but if the players can't execute, it makes no difference. When you call a defense play if you will. Everyone is suppose to know what the others are doing and where everyones area of responsiblity. They are clueless out there at times. COACHES FAULT not coaching up the D and preparing the dam team each week. Both are at fault. Do you think its funny that the D coach and others came from Dallas who weren't that good and now all of sudden they lose the coaches and now Dallas is good HMMMMM. You obviously are clueless. I believe in Parcells tenure with these coaches, they only had one subpar season defensively. Am I going to dig it out for you... nah. No point posting something you're going to completely ignore because "stats are for losers".
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11-21-2007, 07:25 PM	#24
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: It's not all on Jason David Originally Posted by Euphoria I think everyone has forgot how bad Fred Thomas was picked on... it was way worse and he made no plays. No way I'm buying that one. Fred gave up 2 touchdowns last year during his "toast" phase, right? David has given up about 1 a game while he's been healthy. And don't forget that the only reason why Fred got burnt so bad was because he is waaaaaayyyyyyy past his prime. He got beat because he's lost a step. Jason David cannot claim the same thing. He's supposed to be entering his prime right now, and he's getting beaten more consistently than any cornerback I've ever seen. The guy is terrible. Sure he has had a few "plays" that he's made, but do they make up for the 5 or 6 touchdowns he's given up? Not even close. Hearing his name literally makes me want to puke. I don't even feel bad for him, that's how bad he is. Typically I would feel a little sympathy for a guy who gets beaten that badly, but Jason David makes me want to vomit. There's no excuse for playing him. I'd move Roman Harper or somebody over to CB before I put Jason David in there again. On a side note: WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO PAYTON NOT PLAYING FAVORITES? (DAVID, SIMONEAU, MARE....)
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11-21-2007, 08:03 PM	#25
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: It's not all on Jason David Bullocks should have been the center fielder on that play but got suckered into a play action so bad his momma is still trying to get up from the stroke she had, but David should have had the coverage no doubt. 75% David, 25% Bullocks and if I see David jogging after another wide receiver who just beat him by 20 yards I'm gonna, well do nothing because I'm not Payvid (my new name for coach payton since he's joined at the hip with David) but if I were I would bench him early, soon and often, like right freaking now. Even if coach has faith in him no one else on the team does and that hurt's the team. Hell, David even know's he's screwing up every game and ain't doing a damn thing to change it, same ole same ole in the Big Easy folks. Johnson should be fined a games pay for that crap. He gets paid good money to what? Oh yeah deflect balls so the other team can catch them, what a freaking loser. We need a defensive coach and Gibbs isn't it, ever wonder why the Big Tuna was ok with let some of the coaches come on over, because he knew they were crap. Coach better pull his head out quick. Thomas is a great athlete probably a better runner than Reggie from behind the line and we don't play him. Why Coach, Why? Because your stupid that's why or I guess we need to showcase Bush for the NFL and his sponsors. Are you getting a kickback for the crap. Man it's the same ole crap in the Big Easy and we should all be mad as hell. Just when you think they're going to do it they freaking fold, Does anyone remember our first playoff game. When the hopes were so high, or the playoff game in New Orleans against the Vikings and we got beat 400 to 3 or something like that. We've all seen this crap before and we shouldn't be surprised but we should be mad as hell. I'm gonna give coach the benefit of the doubt until the second game of next season then I'm taking the gloves off. He earned that much from last year, but coach get your head out dude and soon because it's going to get ugly if you don't pay attention/ I don't think you will last as long as Haslett did and once you get fired from New Orleans head coaching jobs are hard to find in the NFL.
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dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: It's not all on Jason David What is up with this defense? Last year we ranked great against the pass mainly I think because teams knew it was easier to run against us. No reason to pass the ball when you can just run it up the middle for 4 or 5 yd gains. We really sucked against the run. This year with a few personnel changes (JD) teams realize no reason running the ball just throw a couple deep passes or slants over the middle and get a quick score. Maybe they should play nickel package all the time and force teams to run the ball at least limit the big play make the other team use at least 5 plays to score. If the other team only uses 2 wr use the nickel back to doulbe team with JD.
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