GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb

JOESAM2002 · 11-27-2007, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

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Faine bashing? Well I think it is more like pointing out the obvious. If you are looking for why the Saints are so inconsistent it can be found in the offensive line. When they play well then Drew plays well and then the D isn't on the field and we have a great shot to win.

If you go through and watch the games, whether or not the Saints won, watch Faine. Watch him hide behind his guards, or how his guards are always pushing to his side to help out, or him missing blocks, or falling down constantly, or getting pushed into the ball carrier by some one or tentativeness in blocking a DB or LB down field.

If you really sit down and watch you will see Faine is not deserving of starting for but maybe two or so teams in this league, he is a back-up and Goodwin never made nearly as many bad plays as Faine.

Yes, I've watched him and I don't think he's as bad as you and Euph make him out to be. Maybe I can understand you're talking about him once in a while but with Euph it's just pure and simple haterd of the man. He's shown that to many times. He also uses it to start trouble with other members.
What ya'll seem to forget is as a moderator I have to read EVERY post on here. I see what he's doing even though he tries to hide it in his words. I see what he's doing and don't really like it much. His day will come and soon. I'm just tired of it all.

hagan714 · 11-26-2007, 06:55 PM

LOL that dog is dead. he has been run over way to many time here. they are mistaken involuntary muscle twitches for signs of life I guess.
You can not beat anyone up for yesterdays game. they were pretty much solid throughout. major reduction in mental errors.

Euphoria · 11-26-2007, 08:32 PM

Thanks WHODAT.

Its not negative to point out the obvious. Its well pointing out the obvious. So I am not so negative then... interesting.

I think people want to force there opinion on you and if your opinion isn't there and they have nothing to back theres up they want to call you negative and other names. They fail to see the positive stuff I point out on the negative... hmmm, is that the pot calling the kettle black.

by the way I like the movie BOONDOCK SAINTS.

WhoDatQB · 11-26-2007, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Thanks WHODAT.

Its not negative to point out the obvious. Its well pointing out the obvious. So I am not so negative then... interesting.

by the way I like the movie BOONDOCK SAINTS.

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Best non advertised film that many have never heard of in the world.

Euphoria · 11-26-2007, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

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Best non advertised film that many have never heard of in the world.

You just became my new best friend.

WhoDatQB · 11-26-2007, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

You just became my new best friend.

My life is now complete. LOL

My problem with some fans is that it is truly short for fanatic.

"a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics or sports."

While I want the Saints to win and will pull for them always, I am not blinded by playing a bad team. Bad teams are bad and you are supposed to beat Carolina. We should have beaten them the first time, however we are completely inconsistent!!!!!

I hope we become more consistent, and while I will point this out time and again some will choose to ignore all of it. Maybe even the coaches and if we do not upgrade at Center, possibly guard and tackle. However our tackles have been playing very well as of late, Nesbit and Evans have done well too.

I believe that Peyton is not just calling passes because he is silly as doesn't want to run, I believe our line is not set-up very well for run blocking and are much more suited to pass blocking. When your line is inconsistent you have to do what they do best, and pass blocking is what our line does best. Run blocking can be OK when you have Reggie the decoy and pass catcher along with Deuce who makes your line look better than they are.

After reviewing game tape after game tape I see our guys in the trenches perform much more consistently in the passing game rather than the running game. We are not horrible at run blocking but we are better as pass blocking, expect to continue to see more passing, the short passing game will stay our running game as without Deuce our O line looks poor in run blocking without a great patient runner.

JOESAM2002 · 11-26-2007, 09:14 PM

Well with all the attention given here about Faine, I took the effort to watch him almost the complete game sunday. I did see him make some very good plays and he did miss some too. In the words of another poster on this site, you play your best player at that position. Well this must be true because he's still playing. No, maybe he's not playing at an all-pro level but there are worse centers out there. Besides, if you ever played center,which I have and hated every minute of it, it's the worse position on the field. You are double teamed almost every play. It sux to be a center.

Any way, I have a great idea, let's agree to disagree and leave this subject alone unless it's constructive criticism. I know this will never happen but it's worth a try. I know there are members that are tired of hearing how terrible Faine and David are. OK so they are terrible, they're the best we have I guess.

And by the way, this was supposed to be a thread about Stinchcomb, well I have to say he played a very good game against Julius Peppers Sunday. I'm still trying to find out who Julius Peterson is. Any help would be appreciated.

dasaints26 · 11-26-2007, 11:04 PM

It should be noted that no team has passed as many times as the Saints and we have given up only 8 sacks thru 11 games. 8 sacks I'm sure Brees is happy with the play of Faine. I would think Brees or the offensive line coach would have some serious problems putting Faine back in as a starter if he blew every blocking assignment and tackled our rb every play. I would like to apologize for not knowing the blocking assignment on every play the Saints run but I just wonder how some of ya'll fans do. How can you watch the game and know the blocking responsibilities of the o-line? Do you watch every play and rewind it 5 times looking at every lineman?
Okay here is my biggest problem with the Faine bashing. The wonderful screen pass. Our big slow o-linemen allow the d-line to rush the passer then they get out in space and try to block a cb or safety. I dont want the value of a o-linemen to depend on if he can block a cb. I think the advantage in space goes to the smaller quicker player I dont think he is avoiding contact. Most screen plays run by this team and all other teams involve a couple big slow guys running around trying to block small quick players which I dont think is the main attribute of the position. Is this how it would read from Mel Kiper "Really an undersized center cant run or pass block but he is great on the screen passes. Should get drafted in the top ten."
I think sacks are an important stat to keep up with as far as the health of qb and limiting negative plays for the offense. I'm not to sure how one o-linemen will get the credit for limiting sacks unless he blocks 2 guys at a time. It seems like you would have to say the o-line played great not allowing any sacks. This is a team game and one great player on the o-line cannot carry the rest of the unit. Say we have a great RT why wouldnt the other team rush through the LT. This entire o-line played a good game and if you want to slow-mo and look for a couple bad plays I'm sure other players will be on your list for needing to be upgraded.
With this o-line we went 10-6 last year if we dont want to give them any credit for that they deserve no blame for being 5-6 (2nd in the division and only 1 game back after Sunday). Lets see we are ranked 4th in passing yards we must have gotten most of that when Faine was injured. Not to sure but I think we are 12th in total offense. We have the 2nd fewest penalties on offense. This is a good offense and they are good at what they do. We have a smart accurate qb and we will go as far as Brees takes us which was the division championship game last year.

Euphoria · 11-27-2007, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by dasaints26

I would like to apologize for not knowing the blocking assignment on every play the Saints run but I just wonder how some of ya'll fans do. How can you watch the game and know the blocking responsibilities of the o-line? Do you watch every play and rewind it 5 times looking at every lineman?

Yes, If I have to to see whats going on read the play and see who is suppose to be doing what. Its pretty obvious when your center is running out wide as a lead blocking on a sweep or screen play and doesn't hit someone. He wouldn't be doing that if his assignment wasn't to block someone - anyone out there. Why would he be out there at all unless he was trying to find gatorade on the sideline or his moma to take him away from the linemen who are trying to run past him to get to his QB/RBs. If you study the game and the plays you'll be more in tuned to whats going on and may see a bigger picture to whats going right and going wrong.

Originally Posted by dasaints26

Okay here is my biggest problem with the Faine bashing. The wonderful screen pass. Our big slow o-linemen allow the d-line to rush the passer then they get out in space and try to block a cb or safety. I dont want the value of a o-linemen to depend on if he can block a cb. I think the advantage in space goes to the smaller quicker player I dont think he is avoiding contact. Most screen plays run by this team and all other teams involve a couple big slow guys running around trying to block small quick players which I dont think is the main attribute of the position. Is this how it would read from Mel Kiper "Really an undersized center cant run or pass block but he is great on the screen passes. Should get drafted in the top ten."?

What??? its about match ups! You create mis-matches to get advantages. Yes give me a big linemen to block a little CB - KNOCK HIS ASS IN THE DIRT... advantage 300 pound guy. Hell you don't really have to him hit does he??? no all he really has to do is force the CB to run around him it'll slow him down and let our rb take the other side...free. Advantage Lineman. You try and swing Bush out and see who covers him... You see a LB on him guess what you are going to bush with the ball on a deep route and let bush outrun him. advantage - MISS MATCH.

Originally Posted by dasaints26

I think sacks are an important stat to keep up with as far as the health of qb and limiting negative plays for the offense. I'm not to sure how one o-linemen will get the credit for limiting sacks unless he blocks 2 guys at a time. It seems like you would have to say the o-line played great not allowing any sacks. This is a team game and one great player on the o-line cannot carry the rest of the unit. Say we have a great RT why wouldnt the other team rush through the LT. This entire o-line played a good game and if you want to slow-mo and look for a couple bad plays I'm sure other players will be on your list for needing to be upgraded.
With this o-line we went 10-6 last year if we dont want to give them any credit for that they deserve no blame for being 5-6 (2nd in the division and only 1 game back after Sunday). Lets see we are ranked 4th in passing yards we must have gotten most of that when Faine was injured. Not to sure but I think we are 12th in total offense. We have the 2nd fewest penalties on offense. This is a good offense and they are good at what they do. We have a smart accurate qb and we will go as far as Brees takes us which was the division championship game last year.

We can be better and need to get better. I am sorry not going to settle beating up on teams that are hurt and then turn around and get turkey based by good teams. If we are a supposedly good team then we need to beat good teams.

Each player is graded and evaluated. Faine is being called out because he makes MANY mistakes. He is getting by becuase the others play well but when they need some help he isn't there. I totally give lots of credit to Bree's game for our offense looking so good in the passing game, he's quick release gets rid of the ball fast, short drop backs. He doesn't take the long drop backs very much. Its not just sacks you need to worry about its the rushes and hits he takes as well that really aren't recorded so much as stats. That will mess with him mentally.

Stats are for girls. You can make stats read anything you want them to. You might look at Brees INTS and think damn he sucks this year he's lost it but you don't See the stat that says this INT was because the WR/TE didn't catch the ball and bounce out of his hands into the defenders hands. You don't see the stat where a 300 pounder DT hanging on the end of his arm as he throws the INT. You seriously have to study the game to get an idea of whats really going on and wrong with FAINE.

saintsrule · 11-26-2007, 11:44 PM

The o-line is playing now, like people thought they would at the beginning of the season.

11-27-2007, 09:15 AM	#1
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by WhoDatQB ==== Faine bashing? Well I think it is more like pointing out the obvious. If you are looking for why the Saints are so inconsistent it can be found in the offensive line. When they play well then Drew plays well and then the D isn't on the field and we have a great shot to win. If you go through and watch the games, whether or not the Saints won, watch Faine. Watch him hide behind his guards, or how his guards are always pushing to his side to help out, or him missing blocks, or falling down constantly, or getting pushed into the ball carrier by some one or tentativeness in blocking a DB or LB down field. If you really sit down and watch you will see Faine is not deserving of starting for but maybe two or so teams in this league, he is a back-up and Goodwin never made nearly as many bad plays as Faine. Yes, I've watched him and I don't think he's as bad as you and Euph make him out to be. Maybe I can understand you're talking about him once in a while but with Euph it's just pure and simple haterd of the man. He's shown that to many times. He also uses it to start trouble with other members. What ya'll seem to forget is as a moderator I have to read EVERY post on here. I see what he's doing even though he tries to hide it in his words. I see what he's doing and don't really like it much. His day will come and soon. I'm just tired of it all.
	Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!! "Every time you think, you weaken the nation!" Moe Howard...The Three Stooges.

11-26-2007, 06:55 PM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb LOL that dog is dead. he has been run over way to many time here. they are mistaken involuntary muscle twitches for signs of life I guess. You can not beat anyone up for yesterdays game. they were pretty much solid throughout. major reduction in mental errors.

11-26-2007, 08:32 PM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Thanks WHODAT. Its not negative to point out the obvious. Its well pointing out the obvious. So I am not so negative then... interesting. I think people want to force there opinion on you and if your opinion isn't there and they have nothing to back theres up they want to call you negative and other names. They fail to see the positive stuff I point out on the negative... hmmm, is that the pot calling the kettle black. by the way I like the movie BOONDOCK SAINTS.
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11-26-2007, 08:35 PM	#4
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by Euphoria Thanks WHODAT. Its not negative to point out the obvious. Its well pointing out the obvious. So I am not so negative then... interesting. by the way I like the movie BOONDOCK SAINTS. ==== Best non advertised film that many have never heard of in the world.

11-26-2007, 08:37 PM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by WhoDatQB ==== Best non advertised film that many have never heard of in the world. You just became my new best friend.

11-26-2007, 08:48 PM	#6
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by Euphoria You just became my new best friend. My life is now complete. LOL My problem with some fans is that it is truly short for fanatic. "a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics or sports." While I want the Saints to win and will pull for them always, I am not blinded by playing a bad team. Bad teams are bad and you are supposed to beat Carolina. We should have beaten them the first time, however we are completely inconsistent!!!!! I hope we become more consistent, and while I will point this out time and again some will choose to ignore all of it. Maybe even the coaches and if we do not upgrade at Center, possibly guard and tackle. However our tackles have been playing very well as of late, Nesbit and Evans have done well too. I believe that Peyton is not just calling passes because he is silly as doesn't want to run, I believe our line is not set-up very well for run blocking and are much more suited to pass blocking. When your line is inconsistent you have to do what they do best, and pass blocking is what our line does best. Run blocking can be OK when you have Reggie the decoy and pass catcher along with Deuce who makes your line look better than they are. After reviewing game tape after game tape I see our guys in the trenches perform much more consistently in the passing game rather than the running game. We are not horrible at run blocking but we are better as pass blocking, expect to continue to see more passing, the short passing game will stay our running game as without Deuce our O line looks poor in run blocking without a great patient runner.

11-26-2007, 09:14 PM	#7
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Well with all the attention given here about Faine, I took the effort to watch him almost the complete game sunday. I did see him make some very good plays and he did miss some too. In the words of another poster on this site, you play your best player at that position. Well this must be true because he's still playing. No, maybe he's not playing at an all-pro level but there are worse centers out there. Besides, if you ever played center,which I have and hated every minute of it, it's the worse position on the field. You are double teamed almost every play. It sux to be a center. Any way, I have a great idea, let's agree to disagree and leave this subject alone unless it's constructive criticism. I know this will never happen but it's worth a try. I know there are members that are tired of hearing how terrible Faine and David are. OK so they are terrible, they're the best we have I guess. And by the way, this was supposed to be a thread about Stinchcomb, well I have to say he played a very good game against Julius Peppers Sunday. I'm still trying to find out who Julius Peterson is. Any help would be appreciated.
	Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!! "Every time you think, you weaken the nation!" Moe Howard...The Three Stooges. Last edited by JOESAM2002; 11-26-2007 at 09:23 PM..

11-26-2007, 11:04 PM	#8
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb It should be noted that no team has passed as many times as the Saints and we have given up only 8 sacks thru 11 games. 8 sacks I'm sure Brees is happy with the play of Faine. I would think Brees or the offensive line coach would have some serious problems putting Faine back in as a starter if he blew every blocking assignment and tackled our rb every play. I would like to apologize for not knowing the blocking assignment on every play the Saints run but I just wonder how some of ya'll fans do. How can you watch the game and know the blocking responsibilities of the o-line? Do you watch every play and rewind it 5 times looking at every lineman? Okay here is my biggest problem with the Faine bashing. The wonderful screen pass. Our big slow o-linemen allow the d-line to rush the passer then they get out in space and try to block a cb or safety. I dont want the value of a o-linemen to depend on if he can block a cb. I think the advantage in space goes to the smaller quicker player I dont think he is avoiding contact. Most screen plays run by this team and all other teams involve a couple big slow guys running around trying to block small quick players which I dont think is the main attribute of the position. Is this how it would read from Mel Kiper "Really an undersized center cant run or pass block but he is great on the screen passes. Should get drafted in the top ten." I think sacks are an important stat to keep up with as far as the health of qb and limiting negative plays for the offense. I'm not to sure how one o-linemen will get the credit for limiting sacks unless he blocks 2 guys at a time. It seems like you would have to say the o-line played great not allowing any sacks. This is a team game and one great player on the o-line cannot carry the rest of the unit. Say we have a great RT why wouldnt the other team rush through the LT. This entire o-line played a good game and if you want to slow-mo and look for a couple bad plays I'm sure other players will be on your list for needing to be upgraded. With this o-line we went 10-6 last year if we dont want to give them any credit for that they deserve no blame for being 5-6 (2nd in the division and only 1 game back after Sunday). Lets see we are ranked 4th in passing yards we must have gotten most of that when Faine was injured. Not to sure but I think we are 12th in total offense. We have the 2nd fewest penalties on offense. This is a good offense and they are good at what they do. We have a smart accurate qb and we will go as far as Brees takes us which was the division championship game last year.
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11-27-2007, 02:16 AM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by dasaints26 I would like to apologize for not knowing the blocking assignment on every play the Saints run but I just wonder how some of ya'll fans do. How can you watch the game and know the blocking responsibilities of the o-line? Do you watch every play and rewind it 5 times looking at every lineman? Yes, If I have to to see whats going on read the play and see who is suppose to be doing what. Its pretty obvious when your center is running out wide as a lead blocking on a sweep or screen play and doesn't hit someone. He wouldn't be doing that if his assignment wasn't to block someone - anyone out there. Why would he be out there at all unless he was trying to find gatorade on the sideline or his moma to take him away from the linemen who are trying to run past him to get to his QB/RBs. If you study the game and the plays you'll be more in tuned to whats going on and may see a bigger picture to whats going right and going wrong. Originally Posted by dasaints26 Okay here is my biggest problem with the Faine bashing. The wonderful screen pass. Our big slow o-linemen allow the d-line to rush the passer then they get out in space and try to block a cb or safety. I dont want the value of a o-linemen to depend on if he can block a cb. I think the advantage in space goes to the smaller quicker player I dont think he is avoiding contact. Most screen plays run by this team and all other teams involve a couple big slow guys running around trying to block small quick players which I dont think is the main attribute of the position. Is this how it would read from Mel Kiper "Really an undersized center cant run or pass block but he is great on the screen passes. Should get drafted in the top ten."? What??? its about match ups! You create mis-matches to get advantages. Yes give me a big linemen to block a little CB - KNOCK HIS ASS IN THE DIRT... advantage 300 pound guy. Hell you don't really have to him hit does he??? no all he really has to do is force the CB to run around him it'll slow him down and let our rb take the other side...free. Advantage Lineman. You try and swing Bush out and see who covers him... You see a LB on him guess what you are going to bush with the ball on a deep route and let bush outrun him. advantage - MISS MATCH. Originally Posted by dasaints26 I think sacks are an important stat to keep up with as far as the health of qb and limiting negative plays for the offense. I'm not to sure how one o-linemen will get the credit for limiting sacks unless he blocks 2 guys at a time. It seems like you would have to say the o-line played great not allowing any sacks. This is a team game and one great player on the o-line cannot carry the rest of the unit. Say we have a great RT why wouldnt the other team rush through the LT. This entire o-line played a good game and if you want to slow-mo and look for a couple bad plays I'm sure other players will be on your list for needing to be upgraded. With this o-line we went 10-6 last year if we dont want to give them any credit for that they deserve no blame for being 5-6 (2nd in the division and only 1 game back after Sunday). Lets see we are ranked 4th in passing yards we must have gotten most of that when Faine was injured. Not to sure but I think we are 12th in total offense. We have the 2nd fewest penalties on offense. This is a good offense and they are good at what they do. We have a smart accurate qb and we will go as far as Brees takes us which was the division championship game last year. We can be better and need to get better. I am sorry not going to settle beating up on teams that are hurt and then turn around and get turkey based by good teams. If we are a supposedly good team then we need to beat good teams. Each player is graded and evaluated. Faine is being called out because he makes MANY mistakes. He is getting by becuase the others play well but when they need some help he isn't there. I totally give lots of credit to Bree's game for our offense looking so good in the passing game, he's quick release gets rid of the ball fast, short drop backs. He doesn't take the long drop backs very much. Its not just sacks you need to worry about its the rushes and hits he takes as well that really aren't recorded so much as stats. That will mess with him mentally. Stats are for girls. You can make stats read anything you want them to. You might look at Brees INTS and think damn he sucks this year he's lost it but you don't See the stat that says this INT was because the WR/TE didn't catch the ball and bounce out of his hands into the defenders hands. You don't see the stat where a 300 pounder DT hanging on the end of his arm as he throws the INT. You seriously have to study the game to get an idea of whats really going on and wrong with FAINE.
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11-26-2007, 11:44 PM	#10
saintsrule 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 657	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb The o-line is playing now, like people thought they would at the beginning of the season.
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