GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb

saintsrule · 11-27-2007, 12:44 AM

The o-line is playing now, like people thought they would at the beginning of the season.

Euphoria · 11-27-2007, 02:54 AM

Its really funny to me that people want to stop bashing Faine and in the same breath bash Mare, Jason David, Aaron Brooks. Those players are ok to bash but lord don't bash Jeff Faine. Its not bashing its pointing out a player who isn't doing his job... like Mare, Jason David ect ect.

When Faine has a good game I'll say it. But right now he's the worse player on that line and so far his back up has played better when he's in period. 1 plus 1 eqauls 2.

Euphoria · 11-27-2007, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by dasaints26

I would like to apologize for not knowing the blocking assignment on every play the Saints run but I just wonder how some of ya'll fans do. How can you watch the game and know the blocking responsibilities of the o-line? Do you watch every play and rewind it 5 times looking at every lineman?

Yes, If I have to to see whats going on read the play and see who is suppose to be doing what. Its pretty obvious when your center is running out wide as a lead blocking on a sweep or screen play and doesn't hit someone. He wouldn't be doing that if his assignment wasn't to block someone - anyone out there. Why would he be out there at all unless he was trying to find gatorade on the sideline or his moma to take him away from the linemen who are trying to run past him to get to his QB/RBs. If you study the game and the plays you'll be more in tuned to whats going on and may see a bigger picture to whats going right and going wrong.

Originally Posted by dasaints26

Okay here is my biggest problem with the Faine bashing. The wonderful screen pass. Our big slow o-linemen allow the d-line to rush the passer then they get out in space and try to block a cb or safety. I dont want the value of a o-linemen to depend on if he can block a cb. I think the advantage in space goes to the smaller quicker player I dont think he is avoiding contact. Most screen plays run by this team and all other teams involve a couple big slow guys running around trying to block small quick players which I dont think is the main attribute of the position. Is this how it would read from Mel Kiper "Really an undersized center cant run or pass block but he is great on the screen passes. Should get drafted in the top ten."?

What??? its about match ups! You create mis-matches to get advantages. Yes give me a big linemen to block a little CB - KNOCK HIS ASS IN THE DIRT... advantage 300 pound guy. Hell you don't really have to him hit does he??? no all he really has to do is force the CB to run around him it'll slow him down and let our rb take the other side...free. Advantage Lineman. You try and swing Bush out and see who covers him... You see a LB on him guess what you are going to bush with the ball on a deep route and let bush outrun him. advantage - MISS MATCH.

Originally Posted by dasaints26

I think sacks are an important stat to keep up with as far as the health of qb and limiting negative plays for the offense. I'm not to sure how one o-linemen will get the credit for limiting sacks unless he blocks 2 guys at a time. It seems like you would have to say the o-line played great not allowing any sacks. This is a team game and one great player on the o-line cannot carry the rest of the unit. Say we have a great RT why wouldnt the other team rush through the LT. This entire o-line played a good game and if you want to slow-mo and look for a couple bad plays I'm sure other players will be on your list for needing to be upgraded.
With this o-line we went 10-6 last year if we dont want to give them any credit for that they deserve no blame for being 5-6 (2nd in the division and only 1 game back after Sunday). Lets see we are ranked 4th in passing yards we must have gotten most of that when Faine was injured. Not to sure but I think we are 12th in total offense. We have the 2nd fewest penalties on offense. This is a good offense and they are good at what they do. We have a smart accurate qb and we will go as far as Brees takes us which was the division championship game last year.

We can be better and need to get better. I am sorry not going to settle beating up on teams that are hurt and then turn around and get turkey based by good teams. If we are a supposedly good team then we need to beat good teams.

Each player is graded and evaluated. Faine is being called out because he makes MANY mistakes. He is getting by becuase the others play well but when they need some help he isn't there. I totally give lots of credit to Bree's game for our offense looking so good in the passing game, he's quick release gets rid of the ball fast, short drop backs. He doesn't take the long drop backs very much. Its not just sacks you need to worry about its the rushes and hits he takes as well that really aren't recorded so much as stats. That will mess with him mentally.

Stats are for girls. You can make stats read anything you want them to. You might look at Brees INTS and think damn he sucks this year he's lost it but you don't See the stat that says this INT was because the WR/TE didn't catch the ball and bounce out of his hands into the defenders hands. You don't see the stat where a 300 pounder DT hanging on the end of his arm as he throws the INT. You seriously have to study the game to get an idea of whats really going on and wrong with FAINE.

LordOfEntropy · 11-27-2007, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

but lord don't bash Jeff Faine.

OK, your wish is granted. I won't bash Jeff Faine.

JOESAM2002 · 11-27-2007, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Its really funny to me that people want to stop bashing Faine and in the same breath bash Mare, Jason David, Aaron Brooks. Those players are ok to bash but lord don't bash Jeff Faine. Its not bashing its pointing out a player who isn't doing his job... like Mare, Jason David ect ect.

When Faine has a good game I'll say it. But right now he's the worse player on that line and so far his back up has played better when he's in period. 1 plus 1 eqauls 2.

1 Haven't heard anyone bashing him lately. (Mare)

2. Your opinion,which we've all known for quite a while now. (Faine)

3. Oh my God, Brooks doesn't even play the game anymore, so who cares?

You're stirring again! Please stop it.

papz · 11-27-2007, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Thanks WHODAT.

Its not negative to point out the obvious. Its well pointing out the obvious. So I am not so negative then... interesting.

I think people want to force there opinion on you and if your opinion isn't there and they have nothing to back theres up they want to call you negative and other names. They fail to see the positive stuff I point out on the negative... hmmm, is that the pot calling the kettle black.

by the way I like the movie BOONDOCK SAINTS.

http://blackandgold.com/forums/ultim...-own-risk.html

Right, you're not negative... you just point out the obvious. I hope you're not implying I force my opinion on you... didn't you say earlier somewhere I never have anything insightful to say? So what is it? Make up your mind. It's obvious you can't debate with me w/o feeling backed in the corner and whining all the time... maybe I should leave you alone. I can tell you have trouble handling it.

And I'm glad you clarified yourself WhoDatQB, because that first post of yours was not the same as the second. I'm glad someone agrees with Euph on Faine being completely useless.

Not sure if this helps, I am not trying to jump in the middle of whatever you two have, but I think that Euphoria gets a bad rap sometimes. Euphoria will allow himself(like me) to see the bad in a team he loves, and hopes during the offseason that they address some of these shortcomings. Some fans see a win and say yep, we are gonna smack the Bucs around. Nope, if Garcia is in we will not smack them around, we can definately win and I think we will, but who knows which Saints team shows up.

Oh please don't say that. No one is that stupid to not see the bad in our team. Now look at the way you go out stating your opinion compared to his. There lies the problem.

JOESAM2002 · 11-27-2007, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

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Faine bashing? Well I think it is more like pointing out the obvious. If you are looking for why the Saints are so inconsistent it can be found in the offensive line. When they play well then Drew plays well and then the D isn't on the field and we have a great shot to win.

If you go through and watch the games, whether or not the Saints won, watch Faine. Watch him hide behind his guards, or how his guards are always pushing to his side to help out, or him missing blocks, or falling down constantly, or getting pushed into the ball carrier by some one or tentativeness in blocking a DB or LB down field.

If you really sit down and watch you will see Faine is not deserving of starting for but maybe two or so teams in this league, he is a back-up and Goodwin never made nearly as many bad plays as Faine.

Yes, I've watched him and I don't think he's as bad as you and Euph make him out to be. Maybe I can understand you're talking about him once in a while but with Euph it's just pure and simple haterd of the man. He's shown that to many times. He also uses it to start trouble with other members.
What ya'll seem to forget is as a moderator I have to read EVERY post on here. I see what he's doing even though he tries to hide it in his words. I see what he's doing and don't really like it much. His day will come and soon. I'm just tired of it all.

Euphoria · 11-27-2007, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by papz

It's amazing how one can look at a certain area on the line all game long and be completely oblivious to Nesbit's blocking.

Clear agenda... typical. No more words need to be wasted.

I ask you... what is this post all about? Expalin this to me. A thread going good. I pointed out an outstanding game a linemen had against a pretty reputable Defensive lineman. I gave my opinion from what I saw and I got facts to back it up. This is the crap I get. I have nothing against Nesbit he didn't stick out to me this game not to say he did anything wrong either. I get called for having an agend??? Please tell me what agenda I have against Nesbit. I don't recall ever really talking about him specifically. This post is the one that made this go personal.

When someone starts name calling and hitting below the belt I get blamed for it??? BS.

I discuss the games, players, and plays. I don't sit here and single any member out nor start talking bad about them. Someone may want to do some investigating. If I talk bad about a player and back it up. I think I have that right as a fan. Anyone who doesn't want to read it then don't. There is a lot of threads here I don't read because I don't care about. If I have nothing more to say on a subject... I won't say anything.

I have no agenda. As soon as I see someone standing up and playing football, I'll be the first to point it out. I think you sir is the one with the agenda. What still mad I stuck up for JD last week and this week he comes out and has a great game. So you're mad and want to stirr trouble up with me any where you can.

Stinchcomb made some good blocks and kept his a damn good linemen from making any tackles. Thats impressive! Jeff Faine did nothing to stand out. Never said Jeff Faine didn't make any blocks but he didn't make any key blocks and had several missed key blocks causing plays to get blown up. He was the worse OL out there this past week if that is bad or good you decide. But I know what I saw and someone else even piggy backing on to what I have pointed out.

What arrogance.

Why don't yall stop acting like little girls in a cat fight, stop bashing a member and bring some insight to a discussion. If you saw something different -Hey glad to hear is say it but I don't see where either of you are doing that. What play??? I'll go look at the tape to see what you are talking about. But to sit here and make a thread out about me is just losing track of what this thread is ment to be about and that is my friends - JON STINCHCOMB.

GREAT JOB - JON STINCHCOMB!!! for shutting down Julius Peppers.

JOESAM2002 · 11-27-2007, 12:05 PM

Ok boys, this is it. Last chance to stop. If it doesn't stop the thread will be locked. Act like grown ups please.

"Anyone who doesn't want to read it then don't." Euph said.
Well I don't have that option, as I said as a moderator I have to read all of them.

I can't tell ya'll how sick this is making me. I'm about to put a stop to all of it. And right now I really don't care who's fault it is.

Again this is the last warning.

Euphoria · 11-27-2007, 12:25 PM

Everyone has options in life. I mean you can be a member of the site. You can be a mod or not. Its all about choices, my man. Its all good though I do appreciate you being a mod, someone should do it.

Next time when someone starts to make something personal out of a thread I'll point it out to you so you can deal with it.

I do want to clarify one thing though. When someone starts bull here the thread gets moved to smack or is the policy to just lock it?

11-27-2007, 12:44 AM	#31
saintsrule 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 657	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb The o-line is playing now, like people thought they would at the beginning of the season.
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11-27-2007, 02:54 AM	#32
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Its really funny to me that people want to stop bashing Faine and in the same breath bash Mare, Jason David, Aaron Brooks. Those players are ok to bash but lord don't bash Jeff Faine. Its not bashing its pointing out a player who isn't doing his job... like Mare, Jason David ect ect. When Faine has a good game I'll say it. But right now he's the worse player on that line and so far his back up has played better when he's in period. 1 plus 1 eqauls 2.

11-27-2007, 03:16 AM	#33
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by dasaints26 I would like to apologize for not knowing the blocking assignment on every play the Saints run but I just wonder how some of ya'll fans do. How can you watch the game and know the blocking responsibilities of the o-line? Do you watch every play and rewind it 5 times looking at every lineman? Yes, If I have to to see whats going on read the play and see who is suppose to be doing what. Its pretty obvious when your center is running out wide as a lead blocking on a sweep or screen play and doesn't hit someone. He wouldn't be doing that if his assignment wasn't to block someone - anyone out there. Why would he be out there at all unless he was trying to find gatorade on the sideline or his moma to take him away from the linemen who are trying to run past him to get to his QB/RBs. If you study the game and the plays you'll be more in tuned to whats going on and may see a bigger picture to whats going right and going wrong. Originally Posted by dasaints26 Okay here is my biggest problem with the Faine bashing. The wonderful screen pass. Our big slow o-linemen allow the d-line to rush the passer then they get out in space and try to block a cb or safety. I dont want the value of a o-linemen to depend on if he can block a cb. I think the advantage in space goes to the smaller quicker player I dont think he is avoiding contact. Most screen plays run by this team and all other teams involve a couple big slow guys running around trying to block small quick players which I dont think is the main attribute of the position. Is this how it would read from Mel Kiper "Really an undersized center cant run or pass block but he is great on the screen passes. Should get drafted in the top ten."? What??? its about match ups! You create mis-matches to get advantages. Yes give me a big linemen to block a little CB - KNOCK HIS ASS IN THE DIRT... advantage 300 pound guy. Hell you don't really have to him hit does he??? no all he really has to do is force the CB to run around him it'll slow him down and let our rb take the other side...free. Advantage Lineman. You try and swing Bush out and see who covers him... You see a LB on him guess what you are going to bush with the ball on a deep route and let bush outrun him. advantage - MISS MATCH. Originally Posted by dasaints26 I think sacks are an important stat to keep up with as far as the health of qb and limiting negative plays for the offense. I'm not to sure how one o-linemen will get the credit for limiting sacks unless he blocks 2 guys at a time. It seems like you would have to say the o-line played great not allowing any sacks. This is a team game and one great player on the o-line cannot carry the rest of the unit. Say we have a great RT why wouldnt the other team rush through the LT. This entire o-line played a good game and if you want to slow-mo and look for a couple bad plays I'm sure other players will be on your list for needing to be upgraded. With this o-line we went 10-6 last year if we dont want to give them any credit for that they deserve no blame for being 5-6 (2nd in the division and only 1 game back after Sunday). Lets see we are ranked 4th in passing yards we must have gotten most of that when Faine was injured. Not to sure but I think we are 12th in total offense. We have the 2nd fewest penalties on offense. This is a good offense and they are good at what they do. We have a smart accurate qb and we will go as far as Brees takes us which was the division championship game last year. We can be better and need to get better. I am sorry not going to settle beating up on teams that are hurt and then turn around and get turkey based by good teams. If we are a supposedly good team then we need to beat good teams. Each player is graded and evaluated. Faine is being called out because he makes MANY mistakes. He is getting by becuase the others play well but when they need some help he isn't there. I totally give lots of credit to Bree's game for our offense looking so good in the passing game, he's quick release gets rid of the ball fast, short drop backs. He doesn't take the long drop backs very much. Its not just sacks you need to worry about its the rushes and hits he takes as well that really aren't recorded so much as stats. That will mess with him mentally. Stats are for girls. You can make stats read anything you want them to. You might look at Brees INTS and think damn he sucks this year he's lost it but you don't See the stat that says this INT was because the WR/TE didn't catch the ball and bounce out of his hands into the defenders hands. You don't see the stat where a 300 pounder DT hanging on the end of his arm as he throws the INT. You seriously have to study the game to get an idea of whats really going on and wrong with FAINE.
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11-27-2007, 08:45 AM	#34
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by Euphoria but lord don't bash Jeff Faine. OK, your wish is granted. I won't bash Jeff Faine.

11-27-2007, 09:16 AM	#35
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by Euphoria Its really funny to me that people want to stop bashing Faine and in the same breath bash Mare, Jason David, Aaron Brooks. Those players are ok to bash but lord don't bash Jeff Faine. Its not bashing its pointing out a player who isn't doing his job... like Mare, Jason David ect ect. When Faine has a good game I'll say it. But right now he's the worse player on that line and so far his back up has played better when he's in period. 1 plus 1 eqauls 2. 1 Haven't heard anyone bashing him lately. (Mare) 2. Your opinion,which we've all known for quite a while now. (Faine) 3. Oh my God, Brooks doesn't even play the game anymore, so who cares? You're stirring again! Please stop it.

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11-27-2007, 09:44 AM	#36
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,756	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by Euphoria Thanks WHODAT. Its not negative to point out the obvious. Its well pointing out the obvious. So I am not so negative then... interesting. I think people want to force there opinion on you and if your opinion isn't there and they have nothing to back theres up they want to call you negative and other names. They fail to see the positive stuff I point out on the negative... hmmm, is that the pot calling the kettle black. by the way I like the movie BOONDOCK SAINTS. http://blackandgold.com/forums/ultim...-own-risk.html Right, you're not negative... you just point out the obvious. I hope you're not implying I force my opinion on you... didn't you say earlier somewhere I never have anything insightful to say? So what is it? Make up your mind. It's obvious you can't debate with me w/o feeling backed in the corner and whining all the time... maybe I should leave you alone. I can tell you have trouble handling it. And I'm glad you clarified yourself WhoDatQB, because that first post of yours was not the same as the second. I'm glad someone agrees with Euph on Faine being completely useless. Not sure if this helps, I am not trying to jump in the middle of whatever you two have, but I think that Euphoria gets a bad rap sometimes. Euphoria will allow himself(like me) to see the bad in a team he loves, and hopes during the offseason that they address some of these shortcomings. Some fans see a win and say yep, we are gonna smack the Bucs around. Nope, if Garcia is in we will not smack them around, we can definately win and I think we will, but who knows which Saints team shows up. Oh please don't say that. No one is that stupid to not see the bad in our team. Now look at the way you go out stating your opinion compared to his. There lies the problem.
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11-27-2007, 10:15 AM	#37
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by WhoDatQB ==== Faine bashing? Well I think it is more like pointing out the obvious. If you are looking for why the Saints are so inconsistent it can be found in the offensive line. When they play well then Drew plays well and then the D isn't on the field and we have a great shot to win. If you go through and watch the games, whether or not the Saints won, watch Faine. Watch him hide behind his guards, or how his guards are always pushing to his side to help out, or him missing blocks, or falling down constantly, or getting pushed into the ball carrier by some one or tentativeness in blocking a DB or LB down field. If you really sit down and watch you will see Faine is not deserving of starting for but maybe two or so teams in this league, he is a back-up and Goodwin never made nearly as many bad plays as Faine. Yes, I've watched him and I don't think he's as bad as you and Euph make him out to be. Maybe I can understand you're talking about him once in a while but with Euph it's just pure and simple haterd of the man. He's shown that to many times. He also uses it to start trouble with other members. What ya'll seem to forget is as a moderator I have to read EVERY post on here. I see what he's doing even though he tries to hide it in his words. I see what he's doing and don't really like it much. His day will come and soon. I'm just tired of it all.
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11-27-2007, 11:54 AM	#38
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by papz It's amazing how one can look at a certain area on the line all game long and be completely oblivious to Nesbit's blocking. Clear agenda... typical. No more words need to be wasted. I ask you... what is this post all about? Expalin this to me. A thread going good. I pointed out an outstanding game a linemen had against a pretty reputable Defensive lineman. I gave my opinion from what I saw and I got facts to back it up. This is the crap I get. I have nothing against Nesbit he didn't stick out to me this game not to say he did anything wrong either. I get called for having an agend??? Please tell me what agenda I have against Nesbit. I don't recall ever really talking about him specifically. This post is the one that made this go personal. When someone starts name calling and hitting below the belt I get blamed for it??? BS. I discuss the games, players, and plays. I don't sit here and single any member out nor start talking bad about them. Someone may want to do some investigating. If I talk bad about a player and back it up. I think I have that right as a fan. Anyone who doesn't want to read it then don't. There is a lot of threads here I don't read because I don't care about. If I have nothing more to say on a subject... I won't say anything. I have no agenda. As soon as I see someone standing up and playing football, I'll be the first to point it out. I think you sir is the one with the agenda. What still mad I stuck up for JD last week and this week he comes out and has a great game. So you're mad and want to stirr trouble up with me any where you can. Stinchcomb made some good blocks and kept his a damn good linemen from making any tackles. Thats impressive! Jeff Faine did nothing to stand out. Never said Jeff Faine didn't make any blocks but he didn't make any key blocks and had several missed key blocks causing plays to get blown up. He was the worse OL out there this past week if that is bad or good you decide. But I know what I saw and someone else even piggy backing on to what I have pointed out. What arrogance. Why don't yall stop acting like little girls in a cat fight, stop bashing a member and bring some insight to a discussion. If you saw something different -Hey glad to hear is say it but I don't see where either of you are doing that. What play??? I'll go look at the tape to see what you are talking about. But to sit here and make a thread out about me is just losing track of what this thread is ment to be about and that is my friends - JON STINCHCOMB. GREAT JOB - JON STINCHCOMB!!! for shutting down Julius Peppers.
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11-27-2007, 12:05 PM	#39
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Ok boys, this is it. Last chance to stop. If it doesn't stop the thread will be locked. Act like grown ups please. "Anyone who doesn't want to read it then don't." Euph said. Well I don't have that option, as I said as a moderator I have to read all of them. I can't tell ya'll how sick this is making me. I'm about to put a stop to all of it. And right now I really don't care who's fault it is. Again this is the last warning.

11-27-2007, 12:25 PM	#40
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Everyone has options in life. I mean you can be a member of the site. You can be a mod or not. Its all about choices, my man. Its all good though I do appreciate you being a mod, someone should do it. Next time when someone starts to make something personal out of a thread I'll point it out to you so you can deal with it. I do want to clarify one thing though. When someone starts bull here the thread gets moved to smack or is the policy to just lock it?