With Bush limited, backups Stecker, Thomas complement Brees, passing game

WhoDat205 · 11-28-2007, 08:36 AM

Ahhh the glory days. My HS team had 17 players my senior year. I was the biggest lineman at 6'2", 225lbs. and never left the field. Needless to say we got our butt kicked on a regular basis. I was an OT and NG until I cracked the starting center's vertibrae on a wierd play. I had to take his spot. We ran a 4 and 5-wide spread type offense out of the shotgun. I'm still the best shotgun snapper in Mississippi 1-A HS football history

Joe, you were asking why these guys can pass block so well and run block so poorly. I've noticed two problems.

1. Bush is awful about hitting the hole and using blockers. I remember one play very distinctly. They ran a draw and the OL was manned up 5 on 5 with the Panters and it was a gimme 5 yd gain, but Bush bounced it for a 2 yd gain. That play was indicative of Bush's problems at RB. PT and Stecker both do it well. They use their burst at the hole and Reggie uses it latterally to try to beat the D to the corner.

2. The blocking schemes seem lacking to me. I don't have the luxury of knowing how the play was drawn up, but quite often there will be a hole at the line and a LB will be there to make a play. It's either because there is not a lead blocker or the OL isn't picking up the playside LB.

LordOfEntropy · 11-28-2007, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

or the OL isn't picking up the playside LB.

Would that be the center's failure, i.e. failure to call a blocking scheme that takes care of that LB? Or would that be the fault of the play designer and not the center's fault?

You guys are a veritable wealth of football information.

WhoDat205 · 11-28-2007, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

Would that be the center's failure, i.e. failure to call a blocking scheme that takes care of that LB? Or would that be the fault of the play designer and not the center's fault?

You guys are a veritable wealth of football information.

No idea, the one time I tried to call out a blitz pickup they flagged me for a false start.

JOESAM2002 · 11-28-2007, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

Ahhh the glory days. My HS team had 17 players my senior year. I was the biggest lineman at 6'2", 225lbs. and never left the field. Needless to say we got our butt kicked on a regular basis. I was an OT and NG until I cracked the starting center's vertibrae on a wierd play. I had to take his spot. We ran a 4 and 5-wide spread type offense out of the shotgun. I'm still the best shotgun snapper in Mississippi 1-A HS football history

Joe, you were asking why these guys can pass block so well and run block so poorly. I've noticed two problems.

1. Bush is awful about hitting the hole and using blockers. I remember one play very distinctly. They ran a draw and the OL was manned up 5 on 5 with the Panters and it was a gimme 5 yd gain, but Bush bounced it for a 2 yd gain. That play was indicative of Bush's problems at RB. PT and Stecker both do it well. They use their burst at the hole and Reggie uses it latterally to try to beat the D to the corner.

2. The blocking schemes seem lacking to me. I don't have the luxury of knowing how the play was drawn up, but quite often there will be a hole at the line and a LB will be there to make a play. It's either because there is not a lead blocker or the OL isn't picking up the playside LB.

I understand and agree with both points. I wonder what it's going to take fro Reggie to run to the hole. At times I think even I could plug the hole by the time he decides where he's going. I'm not a big Stecker fan but he and Pierre both seem to go to the hole much sooner. If they ever get used to using Karney for a blocker they could be dangerous. Thomas ans Stecker both seem to do much better with him in the backfield with them. For some reason Payton likes to pull him from the game so much. I just don't understand that. i know as aformer MLB it's much harder to shed that kind of blocker and get to the ball carrier. But hey, i'm not the coach.

11-28-2007, 08:36 AM	#1
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: With Bush limited, backups Stecker, Thomas complement Brees, passing game Ahhh the glory days. My HS team had 17 players my senior year. I was the biggest lineman at 6'2", 225lbs. and never left the field. Needless to say we got our butt kicked on a regular basis. I was an OT and NG until I cracked the starting center's vertibrae on a wierd play. I had to take his spot. We ran a 4 and 5-wide spread type offense out of the shotgun. I'm still the best shotgun snapper in Mississippi 1-A HS football history Joe, you were asking why these guys can pass block so well and run block so poorly. I've noticed two problems. 1. Bush is awful about hitting the hole and using blockers. I remember one play very distinctly. They ran a draw and the OL was manned up 5 on 5 with the Panters and it was a gimme 5 yd gain, but Bush bounced it for a 2 yd gain. That play was indicative of Bush's problems at RB. PT and Stecker both do it well. They use their burst at the hole and Reggie uses it latterally to try to beat the D to the corner. 2. The blocking schemes seem lacking to me. I don't have the luxury of knowing how the play was drawn up, but quite often there will be a hole at the line and a LB will be there to make a play. It's either because there is not a lead blocker or the OL isn't picking up the playside LB.
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11-28-2007, 08:58 AM	#2
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: With Bush limited, backups Stecker, Thomas complement Brees, passing game Originally Posted by WhoDat205 or the OL isn't picking up the playside LB. Would that be the center's failure, i.e. failure to call a blocking scheme that takes care of that LB? Or would that be the fault of the play designer and not the center's fault? You guys are a veritable wealth of football information.

11-28-2007, 09:14 AM	#3
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: With Bush limited, backups Stecker, Thomas complement Brees, passing game Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy Would that be the center's failure, i.e. failure to call a blocking scheme that takes care of that LB? Or would that be the fault of the play designer and not the center's fault? You guys are a veritable wealth of football information. No idea, the one time I tried to call out a blitz pickup they flagged me for a false start.

11-28-2007, 01:09 PM	#4
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: With Bush limited, backups Stecker, Thomas complement Brees, passing game Originally Posted by WhoDat205 Ahhh the glory days. My HS team had 17 players my senior year. I was the biggest lineman at 6'2", 225lbs. and never left the field. Needless to say we got our butt kicked on a regular basis. I was an OT and NG until I cracked the starting center's vertibrae on a wierd play. I had to take his spot. We ran a 4 and 5-wide spread type offense out of the shotgun. I'm still the best shotgun snapper in Mississippi 1-A HS football history Joe, you were asking why these guys can pass block so well and run block so poorly. I've noticed two problems. 1. Bush is awful about hitting the hole and using blockers. I remember one play very distinctly. They ran a draw and the OL was manned up 5 on 5 with the Panters and it was a gimme 5 yd gain, but Bush bounced it for a 2 yd gain. That play was indicative of Bush's problems at RB. PT and Stecker both do it well. They use their burst at the hole and Reggie uses it latterally to try to beat the D to the corner. 2. The blocking schemes seem lacking to me. I don't have the luxury of knowing how the play was drawn up, but quite often there will be a hole at the line and a LB will be there to make a play. It's either because there is not a lead blocker or the OL isn't picking up the playside LB. I understand and agree with both points. I wonder what it's going to take fro Reggie to run to the hole. At times I think even I could plug the hole by the time he decides where he's going. I'm not a big Stecker fan but he and Pierre both seem to go to the hole much sooner. If they ever get used to using Karney for a blocker they could be dangerous. Thomas ans Stecker both seem to do much better with him in the backfield with them. For some reason Payton likes to pull him from the game so much. I just don't understand that. i know as aformer MLB it's much harder to shed that kind of blocker and get to the ball carrier. But hey, i'm not the coach.
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