Exhibit A: Meachem; Exhibit B:David

Haps Biggest Fan · 12-27-2007, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

.. what's this, amateur hour?

There are other boards that play these games..

What games? I'm opening a discussion. If you don't have anything to add, then, that's fine.

Tobias-Reiper · 12-28-2007, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Haps Biggest Fan

What games? I'm opening a discussion. If you don't have anything to add, then, that's fine.

You open a discussion when you present a coherent argument.
Naming 2 players as "evidence" is plain dumb. You can look up ANY team in the NFL over ANY span of years or any given year and you will find draft and FA busts, and more than likely the misses will be more than the hits.

Any team that has more hits that misses over a short span of years and those hits are matched with the right coaching staff, become the so-called dynasties, as in the 70's Steelers, the 80's Whiners, the 90's Cowboys...

But here, off the top of my head, draftees and free agents that range from solid football players to great players to future HoFers, within recent years:
FAs
Brees
Fujita
McKenzie
Carney
Stecker
KK
H. Thomas
Miller
Blake
Dwight Smith
Delhomme
Fontenot
Horn

Draftees
Bush
Deuce
Colston
Karney
Harper
Grant
Smith
Gleason
PT
Bulger
Roaf
Howard
Stallworth
Turley
Neole
Knight
Neal
Fields

... and I'm leaving out a lot of names from the 90's, 80's, and 70's.

Your client better get another lawyer.

Haps Biggest Fan · 12-28-2007, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

You open a discussion when you present a coherent argument.
Naming 2 players as "evidence" is plain dumb. You can look up ANY team in the NFL over ANY span of years or any given year and you will find draft and FA busts, and more than likely the misses will be more than the hits.

Any team that has more hits that misses over a short span of years and those hits are matched with the right coaching staff, become the so-called dynasties, as in the 70's Steelers, the 80's Whiners, the 90's Cowboys...

But here, off the top of my head, draftees and free agents that range from solid football players to great players to future HoFers, within recent years:
FAs
Brees
Fujita
McKenzie
Carney
Stecker
KK
H. Thomas
Miller
Blake
Dwight Smith
Delhomme
Fontenot
Horn

Draftees
Bush
Deuce
Colston
Karney
Harper
Grant
Smith
Gleason
PT
Bulger
Roaf
Howard
Stallworth
Turley
Neole
Knight
Neal
Fields

... and I'm leaving out a lot of names from the 90's, 80's, and 70's.

Your client better get another lawyer.

OK, Cap. When it comes to evaluating talent for draft picks and FA acquisitions, the Saints aren't any worse than anybody else!! That's your position, and, I respect you for it!

I disagree with your position.

And, the Saints overall W/L record during the last 40 years supports my position.

I don't want to turn this into a Saints-bashing thread or an internet fight with you or anybody else.

I agree, that we have done some great things in the FA and draft areas. Deuce may be remembered as the Greatest Saint of All Time (he has my vote.)

QUESTION TO THE GROUP: WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THE SAINTS RECENT IMPROVEMENT IN SCOUTING AND FO TALENT EVALUATION?

More thoughts, please?

12-27-2007, 09:37 PM	#1
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	Re: Exhibit A: Meachem; Exhibit B:David Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper .. what's this, amateur hour? There are other boards that play these games.. What games? I'm opening a discussion. If you don't have anything to add, then, that's fine.

12-28-2007, 08:16 AM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Exhibit A: Meachem; Exhibit B:David Originally Posted by Haps Biggest Fan What games? I'm opening a discussion. If you don't have anything to add, then, that's fine. You open a discussion when you present a coherent argument. Naming 2 players as "evidence" is plain dumb. You can look up ANY team in the NFL over ANY span of years or any given year and you will find draft and FA busts, and more than likely the misses will be more than the hits. Any team that has more hits that misses over a short span of years and those hits are matched with the right coaching staff, become the so-called dynasties, as in the 70's Steelers, the 80's Whiners, the 90's Cowboys... But here, off the top of my head, draftees and free agents that range from solid football players to great players to future HoFers, within recent years: FAs Brees Fujita McKenzie Carney Stecker KK H. Thomas Miller Blake Dwight Smith Delhomme Fontenot Horn Draftees Bush Deuce Colston Karney Harper Grant Smith Gleason PT Bulger Roaf Howard Stallworth Turley Neole Knight Neal Fields ... and I'm leaving out a lot of names from the 90's, 80's, and 70's. Your client better get another lawyer.
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12-28-2007, 03:59 PM	#3
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	Re: Exhibit A: Meachem; Exhibit B:David Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper You open a discussion when you present a coherent argument. Naming 2 players as "evidence" is plain dumb. You can look up ANY team in the NFL over ANY span of years or any given year and you will find draft and FA busts, and more than likely the misses will be more than the hits. Any team that has more hits that misses over a short span of years and those hits are matched with the right coaching staff, become the so-called dynasties, as in the 70's Steelers, the 80's Whiners, the 90's Cowboys... But here, off the top of my head, draftees and free agents that range from solid football players to great players to future HoFers, within recent years: FAs Brees Fujita McKenzie Carney Stecker KK H. Thomas Miller Blake Dwight Smith Delhomme Fontenot Horn Draftees Bush Deuce Colston Karney Harper Grant Smith Gleason PT Bulger Roaf Howard Stallworth Turley Neole Knight Neal Fields ... and I'm leaving out a lot of names from the 90's, 80's, and 70's. Your client better get another lawyer. OK, Cap. When it comes to evaluating talent for draft picks and FA acquisitions, the Saints aren't any worse than anybody else!! That's your position, and, I respect you for it! I disagree with your position. And, the Saints overall W/L record during the last 40 years supports my position. I don't want to turn this into a Saints-bashing thread or an internet fight with you or anybody else. I agree, that we have done some great things in the FA and draft areas. Deuce may be remembered as the Greatest Saint of All Time (he has my vote.) QUESTION TO THE GROUP: WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THE SAINTS RECENT IMPROVEMENT IN SCOUTING AND FO TALENT EVALUATION? More thoughts, please?
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