Ocho Cinco in black and gold

Euphoria · 01-01-2008, 01:57 PM

He'll probably end up in New England for a 4th round pick.

papz · 01-01-2008, 02:07 PM

Bulk defense... we have some areas of need on offense also. A sure handed receiver and a reliable tightend. Both Miller and Johnson are upcoming free agents.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-08-2008, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Bulk defense... we have some areas of need on offense also. A sure handed receiver and a reliable tightend. Both Miller and Johnson are upcoming free agents.

My "all defense all the time" mantra is of course tempered with resigning our own offensive free agents. Along with the two that you listed Faine, Goodwin, Patton, Henderson, and Nesbit are also scheduled to become free agents.

We cannot afford to deplete the offensive talent pool. We need to resign our own free agents or find suitable replacements.

But augmenting the offense with blockbusters like Johnson before addressing the teams woeful defense? Not a chance.

SFIAH

NEXTPROBOWLER · 01-01-2008, 02:52 PM

still tho we need another wr to go wit colston....patten is in the league another two years three at the most.....

LordOfEntropy · 01-01-2008, 03:09 PM

There will be receivers available in the future. Right now, as SaintFan said, the focus should be on defense. We need DL, LB's, S, and CB SO MUCH MORE than we need additional receivers. Meacham might work out, Colston is a keeper, and Patten is fine for another year or two. So there will be time for receivers later.

cane_saint · 01-01-2008, 05:49 PM

Well if we wouldnt waste our time on garbage like J. David we wouldnt be in this situation! You cant loose focus of the offense because our D is hurting... You have to veiw it as a whole, make change as whole... Yes Chad may be a bit of distraction but he is undoubtly one the top recievers in the NFL! With Drew throwing to him and Colston they would cause problems for every seconday in the NFL. Just my .2 please dont beat up on me about it, I know I am new here

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-02-2008, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by cane_saint

Well if we wouldnt waste our time on garbage like J. David we wouldnt be in this situation! You cant loose focus of the offense because our D is hurting... You have to veiw it as a whole, make change as whole... Yes Chad may be a bit of distraction but he is undoubtly one the top recievers in the NFL! With Drew throwing to him and Colston they would cause problems for every seconday in the NFL. Just my .2 please dont beat up on me about it, I know I am new here

Simple question: Why change what is not broken? The offense suffered terrible injuries during the season and it just kept right on clicking. After 2 years we should truly understand that the offense runs through Brees, and as long as we keep him clean, the offense will be fine.

We really don't need any more offensive firepower. Let's not forget that in the receiver corps that the 1st round, BPA pick, the Saints made still hasn't hit the field.

All we need to do with receivers is let Henderson try out free agency, resign Patton, get Meachem ready to play, and secure a TE that can stay healthy. That's all.

The defense is busted, broken, and battered. It needs to be fixed wholesale. Fixing the defense is the best thing anyone can do for the current Saints offense. Putting out a defense that can get off the field consistently will allow Payton, Colston, Bush, and Brees to continue their offensive excellence for quite a few years down the road. Fixing the defense will propel this team into the realm of consistent excellence.

Nothing need be done to the offense.

Fix the defense. Period.

SFIAH

WhoDatQB · 01-02-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Nothing need be done to the offense.

Fix the defense. Period.

SFIAH

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Nothing needs to be fixed on offense? Um, where was all this praise for the offense the first four games of the season. WE HAVE NO SPEED AT WR THAT CAN CATCH. We saw what happened with our WR's when they were jammed at the line, not one of them had the moves or recovery speed to get beyond and open and Brees payed the price for it. If Johnson is not tagged and all we need is to pony up the money I am all for it. Maybe we can trade them J. David, Bullocks, some other crappy defensive player for him. Our offense is not perfect, good but not great. Speed kills and without speed you get killed. I love Colston but he does not have great speed, he needs someone opposite him that can draw some attention, and Patten and Henderson are not gonna cut it. Maybe Meachum will, but if not and no draft choices are required I say get C JOhnson.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-08-2008, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

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Nothing needs to be fixed on offense? Um, where was all this praise for the offense the first four games of the season. WE HAVE NO SPEED AT WR THAT CAN CATCH.

Brees finished up with nearly 4500 yards passing. Someone has to be getting open.

We saw what happened with our WR's when they were jammed at the line, not one of them had the moves or recovery speed to get beyond and open and Brees payed the price for it.

So then with 4500 yards receiving on nearly 300 catches by the receivers, exactly how often did this happen?

If Johnson is not tagged and all we need is to pony up the money I am all for it. Maybe we can trade them J. David, Bullocks, some other crappy defensive player for him. Our offense is not perfect, good but not great. Speed kills and without speed you get killed. I love Colston but he does not have great speed, he needs someone opposite him that can draw some attention, and Patten and Henderson are not gonna cut it. Maybe Meachum will, but if not and no draft choices are required I say get C JOhnson.

The defense needs to get so so much better than any improvements on the offense, I just can't see a justification for it.

SFIAH

Donuts32 · 01-01-2008, 06:40 PM

Having Johnson would be a dream come true. He can compliment Colston. I would love to see that happen.

01-01-2008, 01:57 PM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Ocho Cinco in black and gold He'll probably end up in New England for a 4th round pick.

01-01-2008, 02:07 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Ocho Cinco in black and gold Bulk defense... we have some areas of need on offense also. A sure handed receiver and a reliable tightend. Both Miller and Johnson are upcoming free agents.

02-08-2008, 08:39 AM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Ocho Cinco in black and gold Originally Posted by papz Bulk defense... we have some areas of need on offense also. A sure handed receiver and a reliable tightend. Both Miller and Johnson are upcoming free agents. My "all defense all the time" mantra is of course tempered with resigning our own offensive free agents. Along with the two that you listed Faine, Goodwin, Patton, Henderson, and Nesbit are also scheduled to become free agents. We cannot afford to deplete the offensive talent pool. We need to resign our own free agents or find suitable replacements. But augmenting the offense with blockbusters like Johnson before addressing the teams woeful defense? Not a chance. SFIAH

01-01-2008, 02:52 PM	#4
NEXTPROBOWLER 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 269	Re: Ocho Cinco in black and gold still tho we need another wr to go wit colston....patten is in the league another two years three at the most.....

01-01-2008, 03:09 PM	#5
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Ocho Cinco in black and gold There will be receivers available in the future. Right now, as SaintFan said, the focus should be on defense. We need DL, LB's, S, and CB SO MUCH MORE than we need additional receivers. Meacham might work out, Colston is a keeper, and Patten is fine for another year or two. So there will be time for receivers later.

01-01-2008, 05:49 PM	#6
cane_saint Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Germany... From Florida Posts: 2	Re: Ocho Cinco in black and gold Well if we wouldnt waste our time on garbage like J. David we wouldnt be in this situation! You cant loose focus of the offense because our D is hurting... You have to veiw it as a whole, make change as whole... Yes Chad may be a bit of distraction but he is undoubtly one the top recievers in the NFL! With Drew throwing to him and Colston they would cause problems for every seconday in the NFL. Just my .2 please dont beat up on me about it, I know I am new here

01-02-2008, 01:45 AM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Ocho Cinco in black and gold Originally Posted by cane_saint Well if we wouldnt waste our time on garbage like J. David we wouldnt be in this situation! You cant loose focus of the offense because our D is hurting... You have to veiw it as a whole, make change as whole... Yes Chad may be a bit of distraction but he is undoubtly one the top recievers in the NFL! With Drew throwing to him and Colston they would cause problems for every seconday in the NFL. Just my .2 please dont beat up on me about it, I know I am new here Simple question: Why change what is not broken? The offense suffered terrible injuries during the season and it just kept right on clicking. After 2 years we should truly understand that the offense runs through Brees, and as long as we keep him clean, the offense will be fine. We really don't need any more offensive firepower. Let's not forget that in the receiver corps that the 1st round, BPA pick, the Saints made still hasn't hit the field. All we need to do with receivers is let Henderson try out free agency, resign Patton, get Meachem ready to play, and secure a TE that can stay healthy. That's all. The defense is busted, broken, and battered. It needs to be fixed wholesale. Fixing the defense is the best thing anyone can do for the current Saints offense. Putting out a defense that can get off the field consistently will allow Payton, Colston, Bush, and Brees to continue their offensive excellence for quite a few years down the road. Fixing the defense will propel this team into the realm of consistent excellence. Nothing need be done to the offense. Fix the defense. Period. SFIAH
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01-02-2008, 02:22 PM	#8
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Ocho Cinco in black and gold Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Nothing need be done to the offense. Fix the defense. Period. SFIAH ======== Nothing needs to be fixed on offense? Um, where was all this praise for the offense the first four games of the season. WE HAVE NO SPEED AT WR THAT CAN CATCH. We saw what happened with our WR's when they were jammed at the line, not one of them had the moves or recovery speed to get beyond and open and Brees payed the price for it. If Johnson is not tagged and all we need is to pony up the money I am all for it. Maybe we can trade them J. David, Bullocks, some other crappy defensive player for him. Our offense is not perfect, good but not great. Speed kills and without speed you get killed. I love Colston but he does not have great speed, he needs someone opposite him that can draw some attention, and Patten and Henderson are not gonna cut it. Maybe Meachum will, but if not and no draft choices are required I say get C JOhnson.

02-08-2008, 08:54 AM	#9
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Ocho Cinco in black and gold Originally Posted by WhoDatQB ======== Nothing needs to be fixed on offense? Um, where was all this praise for the offense the first four games of the season. WE HAVE NO SPEED AT WR THAT CAN CATCH. Brees finished up with nearly 4500 yards passing. Someone has to be getting open. We saw what happened with our WR's when they were jammed at the line, not one of them had the moves or recovery speed to get beyond and open and Brees payed the price for it. So then with 4500 yards receiving on nearly 300 catches by the receivers, exactly how often did this happen? If Johnson is not tagged and all we need is to pony up the money I am all for it. Maybe we can trade them J. David, Bullocks, some other crappy defensive player for him. Our offense is not perfect, good but not great. Speed kills and without speed you get killed. I love Colston but he does not have great speed, he needs someone opposite him that can draw some attention, and Patten and Henderson are not gonna cut it. Maybe Meachum will, but if not and no draft choices are required I say get C JOhnson. The defense needs to get so so much better than any improvements on the offense, I just can't see a justification for it. SFIAH

01-01-2008, 06:40 PM	#10
Donuts32 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Orleans,La Posts: 306	Re: Ocho Cinco in black and gold Having Johnson would be a dream come true. He can compliment Colston. I would love to see that happen.