DE evaluation

frankeefrank · 02-07-2008, 02:10 AM

After watching the Giants get after the Pats on Sunday.
Anyone else think our DE's are overweight and out of shape?
From Strahan to Tuck...
The G-men looked very athletic...
I don't see that in Grant or Smith
The only guy I thought looked fit was Cooper.

Am I wrong?

SaintPauly · 02-07-2008, 03:07 AM

In all earnestness, I have to agree with someone else that posted earlier, in the fact that this draft, has got to be defense all the way through, and I mean every freakin' pick. Forget BPA, and think BDPA. We have a first round receiver from last draft, that I don't think played one game this season. Duece will be back from injury, with something to prove, which in turn will turn up yards for Bush, once he's back to bruising up the middle. Just make sure we lock up Colston, and there you go.

I do have to say, that a solid DT, or MLB, would be my first round pick, if I were at the helm, but I am not. Oh well, I will light a candle then.

saintspassion · 02-07-2008, 03:34 AM

saintpaul25.....are you serious about taking a DT or LB in the first round?? please tell me how that would be better than taking a CB....jason david needs to quit ..and i think a fan will kill him within the next 2 weeks so therefore we need to draft a CB....haha

...but...if we get Samuel or Trufant we should go after Keith Rivers and give some athleticism to our old slow white linebackers.....

hagan714 · 02-07-2008, 07:05 AM

I am torn at LB. A stud Vs. Brains. I like Both.
Conners will be a solid LB for years to come and I really like the brain part of his game. At MLB he would be making all the calls.
Rivers is the stud. Abit on the small side but talk about speed and skills. He would be an upgrade to WLB as soon as he put the uniform on. He could develope into a good MLB with a couple of pounds added. Every time he speaks I am impressed. He is a smart guy. But can that translate to the field? I think so.
Rivers would make the most impact ASAP on the saint and in Smiths game.
Move Shanle into the MLB position and draft a young kid in round 3 at MLB to groom for a year. Say Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt
Draft say Terrell Thomas, USC in round 2, as a hard hitting CB/S to force the play back inside to the DE. The kid has the speed to blitz and would free up the DE in blitz packages.
See getting the right supporting cast is key to improving the DE play for the saints. Thats what NYG have done. They force the OL to account for everyone. That one second of counting is all a good DE needs to beat his man.
Till we adress the other areas on defense I hate to judge the DL. It was 5 against 4 all year long. We had no other players in blitz packages that scared the other team. They knew that who ever we blitzed, a RB or a simple chip block was enough to give the QB and WR the time they needed to get open. So till the fear is back on the field for the saints judging the front four will be hard.
This is a contract year for Smith. We all know what that means.

saintsfan1976 · 02-07-2008, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I am torn at LB. A stud Vs. Brains. I like Both.
Conners will be a solid LB for years to come and I really like the brain part of his game. At MLB he would be making all the calls.
Rivers is the stud. Abit on the small side but talk about speed and skills. He would be an upgrade to WLB as soon as he put the uniform on. He could develope into a good MLB with a couple of pounds added. Every time he speaks I am impressed. He is a smart guy. But can that translate to the field? I think so.
Rivers would make the most impact ASAP on the saint and in Smiths game.
Move Shanle into the MLB position and draft a young kid in round 3 at MLB to groom for a year. Say Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt
Draft say Terrell Thomas, USC in round 2, as a hard hitting CB/S to force the play back inside to the DE. The kid has the speed to blitz and would free up the DE in blitz packages.
See getting the right supporting cast is key to improving the DE play for the saints. Thats what NYG have done. They force the OL to account for everyone. That one second of counting is all a good DE needs to beat his man.
Till we adress the other areas on defense I hate to judge the DL. It was 5 against 4 all year long. We had no other players in blitz packages that scared the other team. They knew that who ever we blitzed, a RB or a simple chip block was enough to give the QB and WR the time they needed to get open. So till the fear is back on the field for the saints judging the front four will be hard.
This is a contract year for Smith. We all know what that means.

I'm pickin' up what you're puttin' down my brother....

SapperSaint · 02-07-2008, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by saintspassion

saintpaul25.....are you serious about taking a DT or LB in the first round?? please tell me how that would be better than taking a CB....jason david needs to quit ..and i think a fan will kill him within the next 2 weeks so therefore we need to draft a CB....haha ...but...if we get Samuel or Trufant we should go after Keith Rivers and give some athleticism to our old slow white linebackers.....

Yes he is serious, just like most of us on here, want a DT or a LB as the first pick. Here is why picking a DT, LB helps the secondary.....

If the DT punches a hole in the Oline, and a LB rushes through it and drills the freakin' QB three feet into the earth, the QB doesn't have time to throw or throw the ball accurate. Now if he can't throw the ball accurate, even Jason David can make a better attempt at an INT.

The Giants defense executed this to almost perfection against Brady and his Oline. The front 7 is a very big key to a successful defense.

By the way, welcome to B&G Passion!

NarwhalHunter · 02-07-2008, 11:22 AM

I would run people down on my way to the podium to pick Sedrick Ellis. If he falls to us that front four is going to be disgustingly good. He and Young can push the interior around while Hollis sucks up space in the middle, and suddenly Smith and Grant are both having double digit sack seasons and people forget all about us even having a secondary. The Giants shut down the most prolific passing attack ever with both their starting corners hurt and one safety who makes Josh Bullocks look good. How? Trench warfare, baby, that's where you win the game.

SapperSaint · 02-07-2008, 11:25 AM

^^^^

Amen

Cancer Beater · 02-07-2008, 02:06 PM

Regarding the 1st post, Yes, our DE's were out of shape by 20+ pounds all season long.

Coach Payton is a joke.
If he truly ran a "BIG TUNA" type of training camp, Grant and Smith wouldn't have started the season out of shape like that.

andersen · 02-07-2008, 03:33 PM

Hagan?? Move Shanle into the MLB position??
You are killing me here. We need a cat in the middle. A tough fast cat.

02-07-2008, 02:10 AM	#1
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	DE evaluation After watching the Giants get after the Pats on Sunday. Anyone else think our DE's are overweight and out of shape? From Strahan to Tuck... The G-men looked very athletic... I don't see that in Grant or Smith The only guy I thought looked fit was Cooper. Am I wrong?
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02-07-2008, 03:07 AM	#2
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: DE evaluation In all earnestness, I have to agree with someone else that posted earlier, in the fact that this draft, has got to be defense all the way through, and I mean every freakin' pick. Forget BPA, and think BDPA. We have a first round receiver from last draft, that I don't think played one game this season. Duece will be back from injury, with something to prove, which in turn will turn up yards for Bush, once he's back to bruising up the middle. Just make sure we lock up Colston, and there you go. I do have to say, that a solid DT, or MLB, would be my first round pick, if I were at the helm, but I am not. Oh well, I will light a candle then.
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02-07-2008, 03:34 AM	#3
saintspassion Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20	Re: DE evaluation saintpaul25.....are you serious about taking a DT or LB in the first round?? please tell me how that would be better than taking a CB....jason david needs to quit ..and i think a fan will kill him within the next 2 weeks so therefore we need to draft a CB....haha ...but...if we get Samuel or Trufant we should go after Keith Rivers and give some athleticism to our old slow white linebackers.....
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02-07-2008, 07:05 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: DE evaluation I am torn at LB. A stud Vs. Brains. I like Both. Conners will be a solid LB for years to come and I really like the brain part of his game. At MLB he would be making all the calls. Rivers is the stud. Abit on the small side but talk about speed and skills. He would be an upgrade to WLB as soon as he put the uniform on. He could develope into a good MLB with a couple of pounds added. Every time he speaks I am impressed. He is a smart guy. But can that translate to the field? I think so. Rivers would make the most impact ASAP on the saint and in Smiths game. Move Shanle into the MLB position and draft a young kid in round 3 at MLB to groom for a year. Say Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt Draft say Terrell Thomas, USC in round 2, as a hard hitting CB/S to force the play back inside to the DE. The kid has the speed to blitz and would free up the DE in blitz packages. See getting the right supporting cast is key to improving the DE play for the saints. Thats what NYG have done. They force the OL to account for everyone. That one second of counting is all a good DE needs to beat his man. Till we adress the other areas on defense I hate to judge the DL. It was 5 against 4 all year long. We had no other players in blitz packages that scared the other team. They knew that who ever we blitzed, a RB or a simple chip block was enough to give the QB and WR the time they needed to get open. So till the fear is back on the field for the saints judging the front four will be hard. This is a contract year for Smith. We all know what that means.
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02-07-2008, 08:36 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: DE evaluation Originally Posted by hagan714 I am torn at LB. A stud Vs. Brains. I like Both. Conners will be a solid LB for years to come and I really like the brain part of his game. At MLB he would be making all the calls. Rivers is the stud. Abit on the small side but talk about speed and skills. He would be an upgrade to WLB as soon as he put the uniform on. He could develope into a good MLB with a couple of pounds added. Every time he speaks I am impressed. He is a smart guy. But can that translate to the field? I think so. Rivers would make the most impact ASAP on the saint and in Smiths game. Move Shanle into the MLB position and draft a young kid in round 3 at MLB to groom for a year. Say Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt Draft say Terrell Thomas, USC in round 2, as a hard hitting CB/S to force the play back inside to the DE. The kid has the speed to blitz and would free up the DE in blitz packages. See getting the right supporting cast is key to improving the DE play for the saints. Thats what NYG have done. They force the OL to account for everyone. That one second of counting is all a good DE needs to beat his man. Till we adress the other areas on defense I hate to judge the DL. It was 5 against 4 all year long. We had no other players in blitz packages that scared the other team. They knew that who ever we blitzed, a RB or a simple chip block was enough to give the QB and WR the time they needed to get open. So till the fear is back on the field for the saints judging the front four will be hard. This is a contract year for Smith. We all know what that means. I'm pickin' up what you're puttin' down my brother....

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02-07-2008, 08:38 AM	#6
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: DE evaluation Originally Posted by saintspassion saintpaul25.....are you serious about taking a DT or LB in the first round?? please tell me how that would be better than taking a CB....jason david needs to quit ..and i think a fan will kill him within the next 2 weeks so therefore we need to draft a CB....haha ...but...if we get Samuel or Trufant we should go after Keith Rivers and give some athleticism to our old slow white linebackers..... Yes he is serious, just like most of us on here, want a DT or a LB as the first pick. Here is why picking a DT, LB helps the secondary..... If the DT punches a hole in the Oline, and a LB rushes through it and drills the freakin' QB three feet into the earth, the QB doesn't have time to throw or throw the ball accurate. Now if he can't throw the ball accurate, even Jason David can make a better attempt at an INT. The Giants defense executed this to almost perfection against Brady and his Oline. The front 7 is a very big key to a successful defense. By the way, welcome to B&G Passion!
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02-07-2008, 11:22 AM	#7
NarwhalHunter 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hattiesburger with Cheese Posts: 146 Blog Entries: 1	Re: DE evaluation I would run people down on my way to the podium to pick Sedrick Ellis. If he falls to us that front four is going to be disgustingly good. He and Young can push the interior around while Hollis sucks up space in the middle, and suddenly Smith and Grant are both having double digit sack seasons and people forget all about us even having a secondary. The Giants shut down the most prolific passing attack ever with both their starting corners hurt and one safety who makes Josh Bullocks look good. How? Trench warfare, baby, that's where you win the game.

02-07-2008, 11:25 AM	#8
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: DE evaluation ^^^^ Amen

02-07-2008, 02:06 PM	#9
Cancer Beater 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 154	Re: DE evaluation Regarding the 1st post, Yes, our DE's were out of shape by 20+ pounds all season long. Coach Payton is a joke. If he truly ran a "BIG TUNA" type of training camp, Grant and Smith wouldn't have started the season out of shape like that.
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02-07-2008, 03:33 PM	#10
andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: DE evaluation Hagan?? Move Shanle into the MLB position?? You are killing me here. We need a cat in the middle. A tough fast cat.