Saints excel at protecting quarterback

WhoDatQB · 01-03-2008, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by dasaints26

Just doesnt seem to be a very appreciated group of guys. They give up a sack every 40 passing plays and our slashing qb deserves all the credit. The running game looks good at times inspite of the work of the o-line. It wouldnt matter if they were pro-bowl material someone else would get the credit. One last defense of the o-line we rank 28th running the ball because we rank 26th in attempts. The only way to get more consistant and gain more yardage on the ground would be to run the ball more. However when the 4th string rb gained 105 yards on 20 carries the coach called 60 pass plays. That is why we rank so low on rushing yards most teams that ran the ball alot also ranked pretty high for rushing totals for the year.

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I have seen the offensive line not get ANY push on 1 yard to go situations this year to think they are anything but average to below average run blockers. How many good offensive lines do you see stacked up as many times as the Saints were this year? Not only were they stopped numerous times, the runner was dropped for a loss quite a few of them.

Great, for the most part(as a group, not individually) at pass blocking, you cannot say they aren't if you watch the games. However if you also watch the games you cannot say they are above average run blockers. Of course PT and others gashed some good gains running the ball, we threw it more than any team. Defenses are going to continually be ready for the pass. Peyton and co are not stupid enough to try and run the ball a ton, they do not have the talent for running it any more than they do.

papz · 01-03-2008, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

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Not to pull hairs here, but did you see the great run blocking on the gaol line the last two weeks? We succeed running the ball in spite of our line, not because of it. We do have a player or two that can somewhat run block, but when the whole unit cannot do it, we get blown up like we did on the goal line against the Eagles and Bears.

But I never said they were great. I didn't catch the Bears game as I was hung over but yes... when we needed it the most during the Eagles game, we got stuffed at the goal line. It doesn't change what I said about how our line rebounded quite well after the first 5 games. Do we need improvement upfront? Yes definately... we're 7-9 and there's room for improvement everywhere. But is it fair to say our line needs to be completely blown up as some consistently imply? I don't think so. Why is it so hard to acknowledge our line played better after a very rough start?

WhoDatQB · 01-03-2008, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by papz

But I never said they were great. I didn't catch the Bears game as I was hung over but yes... when we needed it the most during the Eagles game, we got stuffed at the goal line. It doesn't change what I said about how our line rebounded quite well after the first 5 games. Do we need improvement upfront? Yes definately... we're 7-9 and there's room for improvement everywhere. But is it fair to say our line needs to be completely blown up as some consistently imply? I don't think so. Why is it so hard to acknowledge our line played better after a very rough start?

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I acknowledge we were very good as a pass blocking unit. We didn't get that much better as a run blocking unit. Did they do a better job as the year went on? Um, yes, any idiot can see that, yes even me. However when teams always think you are going to pass running the ball is easier, which made us look better as a run blocking group. However when they know we are gonna run we get smacked around, if we had tried to be more balanced on run/pass ratio our season would have been that much worse.

It does not need to be blown up, Brown needs to go to RT, Faine (well you know what I think about him), Stinchcomb needs to be a back-up, Strief needs to step up or maybe be moved to Guard for Nesbit and we need a mauler at LT. Maybe it can be Strief, maybe not. I truly think we can get better with possibly some shuffling and maybe only replacing one or possibly two lineman with outsiders(meaning people not currently on the team), not a major blow up and start over.

papz · 01-03-2008, 09:42 AM

Did they do a better job as the year went on? Um, yes, any idiot can see that, yes even me.

That's pretty much all I was asking for... a little credit for the line. They've taken a hell of a beating during the season from fans... more than they deserved imo.

dasaints26 you made a lot of good points.

WhoDatQB · 01-03-2008, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by papz

That's pretty much all I was asking for... a little credit for the line. They've taken a hell of a beating during the season from fans... more than they deserved imo.

dasaints26 you made a lot of good points.

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Do you think they are a good run blocking team?

papz · 01-03-2008, 12:03 PM

I'll start with this point that dasaints26 made...

One last defense of the o-line we rank 28th running the ball because we rank 26th in attempts. The only way to get more consistant and gain more yardage on the ground would be to run the ball more.

Do you think they are a good run blocking team?

I'm not trying to dance around a yes or no answer but I think we can be an effective run blocking team if we wanted to be. I wouldn't call them good or bad given that we have a pass happy offense and we didn't run the ball enough. So it's really inconclusive for me... if anything, average?

01-03-2008, 07:38 AM	#11
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback Originally Posted by dasaints26 Just doesnt seem to be a very appreciated group of guys. They give up a sack every 40 passing plays and our slashing qb deserves all the credit. The running game looks good at times inspite of the work of the o-line. It wouldnt matter if they were pro-bowl material someone else would get the credit. One last defense of the o-line we rank 28th running the ball because we rank 26th in attempts. The only way to get more consistant and gain more yardage on the ground would be to run the ball more. However when the 4th string rb gained 105 yards on 20 carries the coach called 60 pass plays. That is why we rank so low on rushing yards most teams that ran the ball alot also ranked pretty high for rushing totals for the year. ========== I have seen the offensive line not get ANY push on 1 yard to go situations this year to think they are anything but average to below average run blockers. How many good offensive lines do you see stacked up as many times as the Saints were this year? Not only were they stopped numerous times, the runner was dropped for a loss quite a few of them. Great, for the most part(as a group, not individually) at pass blocking, you cannot say they aren't if you watch the games. However if you also watch the games you cannot say they are above average run blockers. Of course PT and others gashed some good gains running the ball, we threw it more than any team. Defenses are going to continually be ready for the pass. Peyton and co are not stupid enough to try and run the ball a ton, they do not have the talent for running it any more than they do.

01-03-2008, 08:26 AM	#12
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback Originally Posted by WhoDatQB ============= Not to pull hairs here, but did you see the great run blocking on the gaol line the last two weeks? We succeed running the ball in spite of our line, not because of it. We do have a player or two that can somewhat run block, but when the whole unit cannot do it, we get blown up like we did on the goal line against the Eagles and Bears. But I never said they were great. I didn't catch the Bears game as I was hung over but yes... when we needed it the most during the Eagles game, we got stuffed at the goal line. It doesn't change what I said about how our line rebounded quite well after the first 5 games. Do we need improvement upfront? Yes definately... we're 7-9 and there's room for improvement everywhere. But is it fair to say our line needs to be completely blown up as some consistently imply? I don't think so. Why is it so hard to acknowledge our line played better after a very rough start?
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01-03-2008, 09:30 AM	#13
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback Originally Posted by papz But I never said they were great. I didn't catch the Bears game as I was hung over but yes... when we needed it the most during the Eagles game, we got stuffed at the goal line. It doesn't change what I said about how our line rebounded quite well after the first 5 games. Do we need improvement upfront? Yes definately... we're 7-9 and there's room for improvement everywhere. But is it fair to say our line needs to be completely blown up as some consistently imply? I don't think so. Why is it so hard to acknowledge our line played better after a very rough start? ========== I acknowledge we were very good as a pass blocking unit. We didn't get that much better as a run blocking unit. Did they do a better job as the year went on? Um, yes, any idiot can see that, yes even me. However when teams always think you are going to pass running the ball is easier, which made us look better as a run blocking group. However when they know we are gonna run we get smacked around, if we had tried to be more balanced on run/pass ratio our season would have been that much worse. It does not need to be blown up, Brown needs to go to RT, Faine (well you know what I think about him), Stinchcomb needs to be a back-up, Strief needs to step up or maybe be moved to Guard for Nesbit and we need a mauler at LT. Maybe it can be Strief, maybe not. I truly think we can get better with possibly some shuffling and maybe only replacing one or possibly two lineman with outsiders(meaning people not currently on the team), not a major blow up and start over.

01-03-2008, 09:42 AM	#14
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback Did they do a better job as the year went on? Um, yes, any idiot can see that, yes even me. That's pretty much all I was asking for... a little credit for the line. They've taken a hell of a beating during the season from fans... more than they deserved imo. dasaints26 you made a lot of good points.

01-03-2008, 11:55 AM	#15
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback Originally Posted by papz That's pretty much all I was asking for... a little credit for the line. They've taken a hell of a beating during the season from fans... more than they deserved imo. dasaints26 you made a lot of good points. =========== Do you think they are a good run blocking team?

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01-03-2008, 12:03 PM	#16
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback I'll start with this point that dasaints26 made... One last defense of the o-line we rank 28th running the ball because we rank 26th in attempts. The only way to get more consistant and gain more yardage on the ground would be to run the ball more. Do you think they are a good run blocking team? I'm not trying to dance around a yes or no answer but I think we can be an effective run blocking team if we wanted to be. I wouldn't call them good or bad given that we have a pass happy offense and we didn't run the ball enough. So it's really inconclusive for me... if anything, average?