Saints excel at protecting quarterback

QBREES9 · 12-31-2007, 10:27 PM

2theadvocate.com | Sports | Mickles: Saints excel at protecting quarterback — Baton Rouge, LA

While they often don’t get a lot of credit, the offensive line of Jammal Brown, Jamar Nesbit, Jeff Faine, Jahri Evans and Jon Stinchcomb has allowed a league-low 13 sacks.

That’s impressive considering the Saints lead the NFL with 592 pass attempts. If they give up one sack or less today, they’ll set a club record for fewest sacks allowed in a season. The mark is held by the 1992 team, which gave up 15.

The starting unit gave up 18 sacks in the first 15 games last year before the backups allowed five in the meaningless season finale for a total of 23.

MatthewT · 01-01-2008, 02:23 AM

The offensive line does deserve a lot of credit. The biggest reason for this stat is Drew Brees is a very intelligent and gifted QB. He is has a very quick, decisive delivery. If the Saints had a QB with a slower release, those sack numbers would easily double at the very least.

hagan714 · 01-01-2008, 06:29 AM

Yep we have man power on the OL to be good. But once again we are this close to being great. Ok have I official beaten that into the ground?

papz · 01-01-2008, 06:52 AM

And from the last 5 weeks, we've shown that we're capable of effectively run blocking. Besides those first 4 or 5 games of the year, our line has rebounded and performed quite well. I'm sure a lot of us will have to agree to disagree on this matter.

WhoDatQB · 01-02-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by papz

And from the last 5 weeks, we've shown that we're capable of effectively run blocking. Besides those first 4 or 5 games of the year, our line has rebounded and performed quite well. I'm sure a lot of us will have to agree to disagree on this matter.

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Not to pull hairs here, but did you see the great run blocking on the gaol line the last two weeks? We succeed running the ball in spite of our line, not because of it. We do have a player or two that can somewhat run block, but when the whole unit cannot do it, we get blown up like we did on the goal line against the Eagles and Bears.

papz · 01-03-2008, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

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Not to pull hairs here, but did you see the great run blocking on the gaol line the last two weeks? We succeed running the ball in spite of our line, not because of it. We do have a player or two that can somewhat run block, but when the whole unit cannot do it, we get blown up like we did on the goal line against the Eagles and Bears.

But I never said they were great. I didn't catch the Bears game as I was hung over but yes... when we needed it the most during the Eagles game, we got stuffed at the goal line. It doesn't change what I said about how our line rebounded quite well after the first 5 games. Do we need improvement upfront? Yes definately... we're 7-9 and there's room for improvement everywhere. But is it fair to say our line needs to be completely blown up as some consistently imply? I don't think so. Why is it so hard to acknowledge our line played better after a very rough start?

WhoDatQB · 01-03-2008, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by papz

But I never said they were great. I didn't catch the Bears game as I was hung over but yes... when we needed it the most during the Eagles game, we got stuffed at the goal line. It doesn't change what I said about how our line rebounded quite well after the first 5 games. Do we need improvement upfront? Yes definately... we're 7-9 and there's room for improvement everywhere. But is it fair to say our line needs to be completely blown up as some consistently imply? I don't think so. Why is it so hard to acknowledge our line played better after a very rough start?

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I acknowledge we were very good as a pass blocking unit. We didn't get that much better as a run blocking unit. Did they do a better job as the year went on? Um, yes, any idiot can see that, yes even me. However when teams always think you are going to pass running the ball is easier, which made us look better as a run blocking group. However when they know we are gonna run we get smacked around, if we had tried to be more balanced on run/pass ratio our season would have been that much worse.

It does not need to be blown up, Brown needs to go to RT, Faine (well you know what I think about him), Stinchcomb needs to be a back-up, Strief needs to step up or maybe be moved to Guard for Nesbit and we need a mauler at LT. Maybe it can be Strief, maybe not. I truly think we can get better with possibly some shuffling and maybe only replacing one or possibly two lineman with outsiders(meaning people not currently on the team), not a major blow up and start over.

papz · 01-03-2008, 09:42 AM

Did they do a better job as the year went on? Um, yes, any idiot can see that, yes even me.

That's pretty much all I was asking for... a little credit for the line. They've taken a hell of a beating during the season from fans... more than they deserved imo.

dasaints26 you made a lot of good points.

saintfan · 01-01-2008, 07:50 AM

I agree to disagree...

dasaints26 · 01-02-2008, 12:14 AM

How many changes should be made to the offensive side of the ball? Last year we were 1st in the NFL for yardage per game. This year we end up 4th in the NFL for yardage per game. Is this just another stat, does it actually mean anything? The three teams ahead of us arent playing football this weekend either. Of course all three will play the week after because they earned a 1st round bye like we did last year. And by the way the team ranked 5th also got a 1st round bye.
After two solid years from the offense if you think we need to rebuild the o-line you might need to accept the fact you never will be content in life. Offensively we can hold our own and compete with anyone. Defensively we got issues. One area they tried to address just didnt pan out(Jason David) but we knew it was a problem last year and I'm sure they know it is still a problem.

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01-01-2008, 02:23 AM	#2
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback The offensive line does deserve a lot of credit. The biggest reason for this stat is Drew Brees is a very intelligent and gifted QB. He is has a very quick, decisive delivery. If the Saints had a QB with a slower release, those sack numbers would easily double at the very least.

01-01-2008, 06:29 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback Yep we have man power on the OL to be good. But once again we are this close to being great. Ok have I official beaten that into the ground?

01-01-2008, 06:52 AM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback And from the last 5 weeks, we've shown that we're capable of effectively run blocking. Besides those first 4 or 5 games of the year, our line has rebounded and performed quite well. I'm sure a lot of us will have to agree to disagree on this matter.

01-02-2008, 08:11 PM	#5
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback Originally Posted by papz And from the last 5 weeks, we've shown that we're capable of effectively run blocking. Besides those first 4 or 5 games of the year, our line has rebounded and performed quite well. I'm sure a lot of us will have to agree to disagree on this matter. ============= Not to pull hairs here, but did you see the great run blocking on the gaol line the last two weeks? We succeed running the ball in spite of our line, not because of it. We do have a player or two that can somewhat run block, but when the whole unit cannot do it, we get blown up like we did on the goal line against the Eagles and Bears.

01-03-2008, 08:26 AM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback Originally Posted by WhoDatQB ============= Not to pull hairs here, but did you see the great run blocking on the gaol line the last two weeks? We succeed running the ball in spite of our line, not because of it. We do have a player or two that can somewhat run block, but when the whole unit cannot do it, we get blown up like we did on the goal line against the Eagles and Bears. But I never said they were great. I didn't catch the Bears game as I was hung over but yes... when we needed it the most during the Eagles game, we got stuffed at the goal line. It doesn't change what I said about how our line rebounded quite well after the first 5 games. Do we need improvement upfront? Yes definately... we're 7-9 and there's room for improvement everywhere. But is it fair to say our line needs to be completely blown up as some consistently imply? I don't think so. Why is it so hard to acknowledge our line played better after a very rough start?
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01-03-2008, 09:30 AM	#7
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback Originally Posted by papz But I never said they were great. I didn't catch the Bears game as I was hung over but yes... when we needed it the most during the Eagles game, we got stuffed at the goal line. It doesn't change what I said about how our line rebounded quite well after the first 5 games. Do we need improvement upfront? Yes definately... we're 7-9 and there's room for improvement everywhere. But is it fair to say our line needs to be completely blown up as some consistently imply? I don't think so. Why is it so hard to acknowledge our line played better after a very rough start? ========== I acknowledge we were very good as a pass blocking unit. We didn't get that much better as a run blocking unit. Did they do a better job as the year went on? Um, yes, any idiot can see that, yes even me. However when teams always think you are going to pass running the ball is easier, which made us look better as a run blocking group. However when they know we are gonna run we get smacked around, if we had tried to be more balanced on run/pass ratio our season would have been that much worse. It does not need to be blown up, Brown needs to go to RT, Faine (well you know what I think about him), Stinchcomb needs to be a back-up, Strief needs to step up or maybe be moved to Guard for Nesbit and we need a mauler at LT. Maybe it can be Strief, maybe not. I truly think we can get better with possibly some shuffling and maybe only replacing one or possibly two lineman with outsiders(meaning people not currently on the team), not a major blow up and start over.

01-03-2008, 09:42 AM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback Did they do a better job as the year went on? Um, yes, any idiot can see that, yes even me. That's pretty much all I was asking for... a little credit for the line. They've taken a hell of a beating during the season from fans... more than they deserved imo. dasaints26 you made a lot of good points.

01-01-2008, 07:50 AM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback I agree to disagree...

01-02-2008, 12:14 AM	#10
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: Saints excel at protecting quarterback How many changes should be made to the offensive side of the ball? Last year we were 1st in the NFL for yardage per game. This year we end up 4th in the NFL for yardage per game. Is this just another stat, does it actually mean anything? The three teams ahead of us arent playing football this weekend either. Of course all three will play the week after because they earned a 1st round bye like we did last year. And by the way the team ranked 5th also got a 1st round bye. After two solid years from the offense if you think we need to rebuild the o-line you might need to accept the fact you never will be content in life. Offensively we can hold our own and compete with anyone. Defensively we got issues. One area they tried to address just didnt pan out(Jason David) but we knew it was a problem last year and I'm sure they know it is still a problem.
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