Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-21-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by procto

i agree with you! who wouldnt want a defense like the ones named above....the problem is that defenses like that are not built every year....not even every decade, they are few and far between. that is why they all have names. we dont even need a defense that strong! (although i would love it). the rams D was not that good in 99-00

My friend, you've wandered into the wrong area. My longtime quote on this board was:

Every NFL champion since 1983 had a top 10 scoring defense. It's the defense dummy! So fix it!

The 2007 Colts finally broke the string. But that means that you are incorrect on each and every other team that you name here starting with the Rams. You can quickly get the data from here:

Pro Football & NFL History - Pro-Football-Reference.com

The Rams that year were #4 in scoring defense in the league.

.....the colts were not THAT good last year (although they played well in the Playoffs)....

The string was broken here. During the regular season their defense was terrible. But in the playoffs they played like at top 5 defense, which BTW they followed up last season with a top 3 ranking.

[the Packers in the 90's....

#1 scoring defense the year they won, #5 the year they lost to the Broncos.

the Cowboys in the 90's

#5, #2, and #3 those three years.

.....yea they all had good defenses,

No. They all had great defenses. Top 5 defenses. It's a theme that's so consistent that it cannot be denied.

If the Giants win this year, they again will be the aberation because they ranked #17. The Pats are #4.

it just does not take the talent that you are talking about. there are cap issues especially when you have the offensive players that we have already that keep us from having that kind of defense even with the increase in cap room from 2 years ago.

You don't need an allstar team to have a great defense. Look at the Minnesota Vikings of the past 2 years. Their run defense is superb. Can you name more than one player on their defense?

It takes a commitment to build such a defense. Everyone from the owner, GM, head coach, coordinator, scouts, and players have to decide that having great defense is the cornerstone of the franchise, the path to greatness. Set a simple goal:

The New Orleans Saints will have a top 5 scoring defense in the NFL consistently.

Now figure out how to do it. The Saints would not have a top 5 offense without Brees. The defense needs a similar player in terms of talent, leadership, and drive. Spend the money there.

You need young guys with talent and a burning desire to succeed. Draft them or bring them in as free agents. If they don't work out, then sit them and get someone else.

You have to find a scheme that works. Putting David out on an island doesn't work. So adjust or get someone out there who can function on the island.

Start with commitment. Then stock with talent. Then coach them up. Make it happen.

lets dream....but within what is possible, you forget that we brought in an offensive coach

It happened on the offensive side of the ball in a single year. It can be done on defense. Not every position needs a pro bowler. But you need a squad that works together to achieve the goal.

Finally Payton is a head coach. In this league you can't just play offense. Funnily enough you can just play defense and win. Payton and Gibbs have to commit to building such a defense at all costs. Payton should want to do it because he can use that defense as his security blanket for his offense.

And I counter that Brian Billick was the offensive coordinator of the most prolific offense in the NFL. A scoring record that stood for a decade until broken by the Patriots last month.

All the guy did was have the #1 defense in the NFL and win a championship in 2000.

The Saints have to attain the will to be a defensive juggernaut. Everything else will flow from that.

SFIAH

procto · 01-21-2008, 08:06 AM

by the way tobias....definately agree that will smith is not our single best player, MM played even better than fujita did this past year...nobody gives MM credit b/c he has no help in the secondary

procto · 01-21-2008, 02:40 PM

look....we agree, we need some defensive players! many of them! we cannot win without some playmakers on the defense. that does not mean we need the defense of the decade to win ballgames. we dont even need the best defense in the league for the year! (you say top 5--i agree) we just need some competitive players and good coaching that will allow our OFFENSE to win the ballgame for us. anyway....nice talk, i see you know your stuff anyway!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-21-2008, 09:38 PM

I wanted to come back and apologize to procto. I misread his point in his previous post comparing other SB winning defenses to the top defenses like the 2000 Ravens. I thought he was saying that the Rams and the others were "not that good". But I see now that he meant relative to those #1 defenses.

Sorry again.

SFIAH

01-21-2008, 11:27 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams Originally Posted by procto i agree with you! who wouldnt want a defense like the ones named above....the problem is that defenses like that are not built every year....not even every decade, they are few and far between. that is why they all have names. we dont even need a defense that strong! (although i would love it). the rams D was not that good in 99-00 My friend, you've wandered into the wrong area. My longtime quote on this board was: Every NFL champion since 1983 had a top 10 scoring defense. It's the defense dummy! So fix it! The 2007 Colts finally broke the string. But that means that you are incorrect on each and every other team that you name here starting with the Rams. You can quickly get the data from here: Pro Football & NFL History - Pro-Football-Reference.com The Rams that year were #4 in scoring defense in the league. .....the colts were not THAT good last year (although they played well in the Playoffs).... The string was broken here. During the regular season their defense was terrible. But in the playoffs they played like at top 5 defense, which BTW they followed up last season with a top 3 ranking. [the Packers in the 90's.... #1 scoring defense the year they won, #5 the year they lost to the Broncos. the Cowboys in the 90's #5, #2, and #3 those three years. .....yea they all had good defenses, No. They all had great defenses. Top 5 defenses. It's a theme that's so consistent that it cannot be denied. If the Giants win this year, they again will be the aberation because they ranked #17. The Pats are #4. it just does not take the talent that you are talking about. there are cap issues especially when you have the offensive players that we have already that keep us from having that kind of defense even with the increase in cap room from 2 years ago. You don't need an allstar team to have a great defense. Look at the Minnesota Vikings of the past 2 years. Their run defense is superb. Can you name more than one player on their defense? It takes a commitment to build such a defense. Everyone from the owner, GM, head coach, coordinator, scouts, and players have to decide that having great defense is the cornerstone of the franchise, the path to greatness. Set a simple goal: The New Orleans Saints will have a top 5 scoring defense in the NFL consistently. Now figure out how to do it. The Saints would not have a top 5 offense without Brees. The defense needs a similar player in terms of talent, leadership, and drive. Spend the money there. You need young guys with talent and a burning desire to succeed. Draft them or bring them in as free agents. If they don't work out, then sit them and get someone else. You have to find a scheme that works. Putting David out on an island doesn't work. So adjust or get someone out there who can function on the island. Start with commitment. Then stock with talent. Then coach them up. Make it happen. lets dream....but within what is possible, you forget that we brought in an offensive coach It happened on the offensive side of the ball in a single year. It can be done on defense. Not every position needs a pro bowler. But you need a squad that works together to achieve the goal. Finally Payton is a head coach. In this league you can't just play offense. Funnily enough you can just play defense and win. Payton and Gibbs have to commit to building such a defense at all costs. Payton should want to do it because he can use that defense as his security blanket for his offense. And I counter that Brian Billick was the offensive coordinator of the most prolific offense in the NFL. A scoring record that stood for a decade until broken by the Patriots last month. All the guy did was have the #1 defense in the NFL and win a championship in 2000. The Saints have to attain the will to be a defensive juggernaut. Everything else will flow from that. SFIAH
	Super Bowl Championships: New Orleans Saints:1, Carolina:0, Atlanta Chokers: STILL ZERO Only Atlanta choked in an unchokable situation... Life is definitely good.

01-21-2008, 08:06 AM	#2
procto Registered Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: bossier city Posts: 56	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams by the way tobias....definately agree that will smith is not our single best player, MM played even better than fujita did this past year...nobody gives MM credit b/c he has no help in the secondary

01-21-2008, 02:40 PM	#3
procto Registered Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: bossier city Posts: 56	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams look....we agree, we need some defensive players! many of them! we cannot win without some playmakers on the defense. that does not mean we need the defense of the decade to win ballgames. we dont even need the best defense in the league for the year! (you say top 5--i agree) we just need some competitive players and good coaching that will allow our OFFENSE to win the ballgame for us. anyway....nice talk, i see you know your stuff anyway!

01-21-2008, 09:38 PM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams I wanted to come back and apologize to procto. I misread his point in his previous post comparing other SB winning defenses to the top defenses like the 2000 Ravens. I thought he was saying that the Rams and the others were "not that good". But I see now that he meant relative to those #1 defenses. Sorry again. SFIAH