Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach

Budsdrinker · 01-24-2008, 05:18 PM

Again, he is hired to coach the DL not head coach. And it looks like the players on the DLine play well under his coaching everywhere he has been.
Just look outside the purple and gold box once in a while!!

papz · 01-24-2008, 06:16 PM

Give me ONE example of how he has established himself ON THE NFL level to warrant a job with the Saints?

Prior to getting an job with the Tampa Bay Bucs...

Give me ONE example of how Mike Tomlin established himself on the NFL level to warrant a job with the Bucs?

Prior to joining Tampa Bay's staff, Tomlin served two seasons as the defensive backs coach at the University of Cincinnati (1999-00). He took over a secondary unit there that ranked 111th in the nation in pass defense in 1998 and helped them improve to 61st overall in his first season in '99. Under Tomlin's direction in 2000, the Bearcats ranked eight in the nation in INTs as well as fourth nationally in total turnovers.

You mentioned all those nice stats and rankings. It might have something to do with their talent over his ability to coach. He had ZERO NFL experience, yet you thought it qualified him to come on board and be a coach in the NFL.

ROFL it's like taking candy from a baby. You got what I just did?

Probably not.

Weak.

andersen · 01-24-2008, 08:34 PM

I was hoping this was the tip of the iceberg (on defensive coaching changes), but the more I thought about it, if they are going to replace Gibbs, they wouldn't make this change now. They would wait to after the new DC was installed to get his own men.
Oh boy, I hope we see LB coach next.

hagan714 · 01-24-2008, 10:11 PM

Just because he is coming from college does not mean a thing. All coaches came from the college rankings. I am willing to see what he can do. Look it can not get any worse. Well much worse. We are down there in the rankings.

dasaints26 · 01-24-2008, 10:30 PM

I just got 2 points to make.
1) regarding our old d-line coach how many interesting stats and team accomplishments can you recall from his coaching history(without looking them up first). Do you know how many sacks his unit produced during his 2nd year as a d-line coach? What made him earn his 1st job in the NFL? What were his qualifications to justify hiring him as the Saints d-line coach?
2)What was the reason Ole Miss had a losing record? Was it the poor play of the d-line or the o-line? Bad qb play or bad lb play? The Saints had a losing record it must have been the center's fault(love to bring that up). Just because he had a losing record does not mean he cant still be a positional coach does it? Reminds me of that great offense from the Dolphins this year. Their head coach gets fired then gets an OC job.

WVSaint · 01-25-2008, 08:54 AM

just a quick read on orgeron.....

SunHerald.com : COACH O WILL HELP SAINTS' D

"Orgeron was known for his recruiting prowess more than anything while at USC and many of the players suiting up for this week's Senior Bowl events played for the Trojans because of Orgeron.

He recruited highly touted USC defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis and linebacker Keith Rivers, both of whom were probably already on the Saints' radar for April's draft."

LordOfEntropy · 01-25-2008, 03:51 PM

I say give him a chance. In fact, I'm somewhat excited about the potential here.

ScottBalot · 01-24-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Congratulations Loomis. You are now turning this team into the same mold as Haslett's. Ogeron? COME ON! They guy failed in his one attempt to be a head coach, so I guess that warrants him jumping to the NFL? Uh, don't get that at all. This was a horrible, horrible move. I also don't understand not firing a pathetic DC in Gibbs only to fire our rb and cb coach. Talk about scapegoat. I remember Haslett doing the same thing. I'm beginning to think that Payton may not be the guy for us after all. If anyone needed to be canned from this season it was Gibbs and yet, nothing. Shows me he's acting much like Haslett with Venturi. I got news for you Sean Payton, if it looks and smells like shi*, then it's probably shi*. To fire ANY COACH off this team besides Gibbs, it's a huge disjustice to the fans and the players. Gibbs is the MAIN problem with our defense and it may, just like Haslett, ultimately cost Payton his job. Loyalty is one thing, the unemployment line is another. If I were Payton, I'd start refreshing my resume.

you want Gibbs fired, yet on another thread you stated that the defense needs help at every position. So is it Gibbs' fault he has no talent, or is it that the defense is talented, but not well coached?

SapperSaint · 01-24-2008, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

not liking the non proactive way the Saints are handling the offseason. Not one bit.

I thought this was a prerequisite to being a Saints fan.

I feel your pain brother. It use to make me sick to my stomach, but there is nothing we as fans can do to change it. Look what it took for Payton to get another kicker this year. Gramatica may not be the first choice for many of us but he's a heck of alot better than Mare.

Sometimes it is like this team has to get

about a million times before they wake up to address only ONE problem. I just don't understand sometimes why they do what they do.

papz · 01-24-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

You guys kill me. Do you not follow college football at all? Go check out his antics while at Ole Miss and you'll see this guy is a clown.

I follow it enough that he was considered one of the premiere DL coaches in college... obviously you knew that. You also knew that McFadden is Peterson with blazing speed... right.

You mentioned all those great players he supposedly "coached". Might have something to do with their talent over his ability to coach.

Supposedly? It's a FACT he coached those players. You can have all the God given talent and without proper coaching, it will amount to nothing. Examples... Adrian McPherson, Talman Gardner, Courtney Brown, Heath Shuler, etc.

Paid his dues? Yeah, okay. He has ZERO NFL experience, yet you feel this qualifies him to come on board and be a coach in the NFL. Have you all forgotten that after being fired from Ole Miss he did not get ONE offer from a college to to coach there? That right there tells you something.

Mike Tomlin worked his way from being a graduate assistant at Memphis to becoming a head coach for the Pittsburg Steelers. What qualified him making that jump from being a college assistant to becoming NFL position's coach? And so what if he got fired from Ole Miss... he played in the best conference in college football and had to recruit against the powerhouses of the SEC. Some people just are cut out to be a head coach.

If your main argument is that he won't cut because he got fired from Ole Miss, that's beyond WEAK...

Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach - Sports - NOLA.com

01-24-2008, 05:18 PM	#1
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Again, he is hired to coach the DL not head coach. And it looks like the players on the DLine play well under his coaching everywhere he has been. Just look outside the purple and gold box once in a while!!

01-24-2008, 06:16 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Give me ONE example of how he has established himself ON THE NFL level to warrant a job with the Saints? Prior to getting an job with the Tampa Bay Bucs... Give me ONE example of how Mike Tomlin established himself on the NFL level to warrant a job with the Bucs? Prior to joining Tampa Bay's staff, Tomlin served two seasons as the defensive backs coach at the University of Cincinnati (1999-00). He took over a secondary unit there that ranked 111th in the nation in pass defense in 1998 and helped them improve to 61st overall in his first season in '99. Under Tomlin's direction in 2000, the Bearcats ranked eight in the nation in INTs as well as fourth nationally in total turnovers. You mentioned all those nice stats and rankings. It might have something to do with their talent over his ability to coach. He had ZERO NFL experience, yet you thought it qualified him to come on board and be a coach in the NFL. ROFL it's like taking candy from a baby. You got what I just did? Probably not. Weak.

01-24-2008, 08:34 PM	#3
andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach I was hoping this was the tip of the iceberg (on defensive coaching changes), but the more I thought about it, if they are going to replace Gibbs, they wouldn't make this change now. They would wait to after the new DC was installed to get his own men. Oh boy, I hope we see LB coach next.

01-24-2008, 10:11 PM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Just because he is coming from college does not mean a thing. All coaches came from the college rankings. I am willing to see what he can do. Look it can not get any worse. Well much worse. We are down there in the rankings.

01-24-2008, 10:30 PM	#5
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach I just got 2 points to make. 1) regarding our old d-line coach how many interesting stats and team accomplishments can you recall from his coaching history(without looking them up first). Do you know how many sacks his unit produced during his 2nd year as a d-line coach? What made him earn his 1st job in the NFL? What were his qualifications to justify hiring him as the Saints d-line coach? 2)What was the reason Ole Miss had a losing record? Was it the poor play of the d-line or the o-line? Bad qb play or bad lb play? The Saints had a losing record it must have been the center's fault(love to bring that up). Just because he had a losing record does not mean he cant still be a positional coach does it? Reminds me of that great offense from the Dolphins this year. Their head coach gets fired then gets an OC job.
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167

01-25-2008, 08:54 AM	#6
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach just a quick read on orgeron..... SunHerald.com : COACH O WILL HELP SAINTS' D "Orgeron was known for his recruiting prowess more than anything while at USC and many of the players suiting up for this week's Senior Bowl events played for the Trojans because of Orgeron. He recruited highly touted USC defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis and linebacker Keith Rivers, both of whom were probably already on the Saints' radar for April's draft."

01-25-2008, 03:51 PM	#7
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach I say give him a chance. In fact, I'm somewhat excited about the potential here.

01-24-2008, 04:45 PM	#8
ScottBalot Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Originally Posted by saintsmissile Congratulations Loomis. You are now turning this team into the same mold as Haslett's. Ogeron? COME ON! They guy failed in his one attempt to be a head coach, so I guess that warrants him jumping to the NFL? Uh, don't get that at all. This was a horrible, horrible move. I also don't understand not firing a pathetic DC in Gibbs only to fire our rb and cb coach. Talk about scapegoat. I remember Haslett doing the same thing. I'm beginning to think that Payton may not be the guy for us after all. If anyone needed to be canned from this season it was Gibbs and yet, nothing. Shows me he's acting much like Haslett with Venturi. I got news for you Sean Payton, if it looks and smells like shi, then it's probably shi. To fire ANY COACH off this team besides Gibbs, it's a huge disjustice to the fans and the players. Gibbs is the MAIN problem with our defense and it may, just like Haslett, ultimately cost Payton his job. Loyalty is one thing, the unemployment line is another. If I were Payton, I'd start refreshing my resume. you want Gibbs fired, yet on another thread you stated that the defense needs help at every position. So is it Gibbs' fault he has no talent, or is it that the defense is talented, but not well coached?
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01-24-2008, 10:07 AM	#9
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Originally Posted by saintsmissile not liking the non proactive way the Saints are handling the offseason. Not one bit. I thought this was a prerequisite to being a Saints fan. I feel your pain brother. It use to make me sick to my stomach, but there is nothing we as fans can do to change it. Look what it took for Payton to get another kicker this year. Gramatica may not be the first choice for many of us but he's a heck of alot better than Mare. Sometimes it is like this team has to get about a million times before they wake up to address only ONE problem. I just don't understand sometimes why they do what they do.
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01-24-2008, 03:01 PM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Originally Posted by saintsmissile You guys kill me. Do you not follow college football at all? Go check out his antics while at Ole Miss and you'll see this guy is a clown. I follow it enough that he was considered one of the premiere DL coaches in college... obviously you knew that. You also knew that McFadden is Peterson with blazing speed... right. You mentioned all those great players he supposedly "coached". Might have something to do with their talent over his ability to coach. Supposedly? It's a FACT he coached those players. You can have all the God given talent and without proper coaching, it will amount to nothing. Examples... Adrian McPherson, Talman Gardner, Courtney Brown, Heath Shuler, etc. Paid his dues? Yeah, okay. He has ZERO NFL experience, yet you feel this qualifies him to come on board and be a coach in the NFL. Have you all forgotten that after being fired from Ole Miss he did not get ONE offer from a college to to coach there? That right there tells you something. Mike Tomlin worked his way from being a graduate assistant at Memphis to becoming a head coach for the Pittsburg Steelers. What qualified him making that jump from being a college assistant to becoming NFL position's coach? And so what if he got fired from Ole Miss... he played in the best conference in college football and had to recruit against the powerhouses of the SEC. Some people just are cut out to be a head coach. If your main argument is that he won't cut because he got fired from Ole Miss, that's beyond WEAK... Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach - Sports - NOLA.com
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