Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach

papz · 01-25-2008, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Pappy, you are truly sad. You were the one comparing the hiring of Ogeron to that of Tomlin. I PROVED to you that they are about as opposite as apples and oranges. So I guess Tomlin had future, budding all pro's at CINCY and therefore his coaching was not as good as say, oh yeah, Ogeron who supposedly could recruit talent as good as anyone in the land! See what I did there, I made you look like your arguement is much like your head. Full of holes. You sit here and compare Tomlin getting a pro job to that of Ogeron. I bring you FACTS that Tomlin moved up to the pro's after an outstanding last season in college. I also bring up Ogeron's PATHETIC record at Ole Miss, yet you dismiss it and say, oh well, who cares what he did at Ole Miss. Forget he only won THREE games against quality SEC opponents. He should be hired in the big leagues by a team who was pathetic on defense the year before.

Clearly my point flew right over your head... which was expected. I used your own argument against you and you still didn't get it. I suggest you go back to page two re-read what you wrote on page 2, understand it, and re-read my last post. If you still don't get it, oh well.

Here you go big shot, how many college coaches who were fired at the college level go on the be HEAD coaches in the NFL? Good luck finding that list.

He's becoming a defensive line coach... not head coach. So I really don't get the point that you're making. Come on let's try to stay focused on the subject at hand.

Yeah, man, I'm pretty weak.

That you are... that you are.

On the Gibbs subject, seem to remember him having some pretty good talent at Dallas, yet....... Also had some pretty good talent at Oklahoma when he was there and ............

Yet you still don't get the point he's making. Sad.

WVSaint · 01-25-2008, 09:54 AM

just a quick read on orgeron.....

SunHerald.com : COACH O WILL HELP SAINTS' D

"Orgeron was known for his recruiting prowess more than anything while at USC and many of the players suiting up for this week's Senior Bowl events played for the Trojans because of Orgeron.

He recruited highly touted USC defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis and linebacker Keith Rivers, both of whom were probably already on the Saints' radar for April's draft."

ScottBalot · 01-25-2008, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

On the Gibbs subject, seem to remember him having some pretty good talent at Dallas, yet....... Also had some pretty good talent at Oklahoma when he was there and ............

2005 Dallas had 10th ranked Defense in NFL
2004 Dallas had 16th ranked Defense in NFL
2003 Dallas had 1st ranked Defense in NFL

he did have some good talent in Dallas, and as LB coach there, he did a good job.

At Oklahoma he served as D Coordinator from 1981-88, won Nat. Champ in 1985, defense led the NCAA for three years 1985,86, and 87. I'd say when he's got talent, he does a good job.

bulldog1865 · 01-25-2008, 10:20 AM

saintsmissile... you are just mad because Ogeron and Ole Miss gave LSU all they could handle the past two years in a row. Stop your whining, its not like he'll be calling any plays.

NarwhalHunter · 01-25-2008, 12:07 PM

I'm pretty sure being a positions coach is pretty universal. If anything, it would be easier in the pros as he'll have a much greater pool of talent to draw from.

biloxi-indian · 01-25-2008, 12:51 PM

One of Orgeron's biggest fans appears to be Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin. As Orgeron spoke with a group of reporters about taking the Saints' job, Kiffin chimed in and gave his opinion on Orgeron, who worked with his son, Lane Kiffin, under Carroll at USC. Lane Kiffin just completed his first season as Oakland Raiders coach.

"Let me say something right here, men: This is a ball coach," Kiffin said as he hugged and congratulated Orgeron. "I'm going to tell you right now this guy can flat coach. If you are a great coach, it doesn't matter what level you are at; he will be a great coach in the NFL. I love this guy."

Rivals.com College Football - Orgeron heads to NFL for post with Saints

missle, I appreciate your enthusiasm, passion for Saints success, and opinions, however, in this case Monte Kiffin opinion takes precedent!

LordOfEntropy · 01-25-2008, 04:51 PM

I say give him a chance. In fact, I'm somewhat excited about the potential here.

01-25-2008, 09:29 AM	#21
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Originally Posted by saintsmissile Pappy, you are truly sad. You were the one comparing the hiring of Ogeron to that of Tomlin. I PROVED to you that they are about as opposite as apples and oranges. So I guess Tomlin had future, budding all pro's at CINCY and therefore his coaching was not as good as say, oh yeah, Ogeron who supposedly could recruit talent as good as anyone in the land! See what I did there, I made you look like your arguement is much like your head. Full of holes. You sit here and compare Tomlin getting a pro job to that of Ogeron. I bring you FACTS that Tomlin moved up to the pro's after an outstanding last season in college. I also bring up Ogeron's PATHETIC record at Ole Miss, yet you dismiss it and say, oh well, who cares what he did at Ole Miss. Forget he only won THREE games against quality SEC opponents. He should be hired in the big leagues by a team who was pathetic on defense the year before. Clearly my point flew right over your head... which was expected. I used your own argument against you and you still didn't get it. I suggest you go back to page two re-read what you wrote on page 2, understand it, and re-read my last post. If you still don't get it, oh well. Here you go big shot, how many college coaches who were fired at the college level go on the be HEAD coaches in the NFL? Good luck finding that list. He's becoming a defensive line coach... not head coach. So I really don't get the point that you're making. Come on let's try to stay focused on the subject at hand. Yeah, man, I'm pretty weak. That you are... that you are. On the Gibbs subject, seem to remember him having some pretty good talent at Dallas, yet....... Also had some pretty good talent at Oklahoma when he was there and ............ Yet you still don't get the point he's making. Sad.
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01-25-2008, 09:54 AM	#22
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach just a quick read on orgeron..... SunHerald.com : COACH O WILL HELP SAINTS' D "Orgeron was known for his recruiting prowess more than anything while at USC and many of the players suiting up for this week's Senior Bowl events played for the Trojans because of Orgeron. He recruited highly touted USC defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis and linebacker Keith Rivers, both of whom were probably already on the Saints' radar for April's draft."

01-25-2008, 10:05 AM	#23
ScottBalot Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Originally Posted by saintsmissile On the Gibbs subject, seem to remember him having some pretty good talent at Dallas, yet....... Also had some pretty good talent at Oklahoma when he was there and ............ 2005 Dallas had 10th ranked Defense in NFL 2004 Dallas had 16th ranked Defense in NFL 2003 Dallas had 1st ranked Defense in NFL he did have some good talent in Dallas, and as LB coach there, he did a good job. At Oklahoma he served as D Coordinator from 1981-88, won Nat. Champ in 1985, defense led the NCAA for three years 1985,86, and 87. I'd say when he's got talent, he does a good job.
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01-25-2008, 10:20 AM	#24
bulldog1865 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 29	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach saintsmissile... you are just mad because Ogeron and Ole Miss gave LSU all they could handle the past two years in a row. Stop your whining, its not like he'll be calling any plays.

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01-25-2008, 12:51 PM	#26
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach One of Orgeron's biggest fans appears to be Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin. As Orgeron spoke with a group of reporters about taking the Saints' job, Kiffin chimed in and gave his opinion on Orgeron, who worked with his son, Lane Kiffin, under Carroll at USC. Lane Kiffin just completed his first season as Oakland Raiders coach. "Let me say something right here, men: This is a ball coach," Kiffin said as he hugged and congratulated Orgeron. "I'm going to tell you right now this guy can flat coach. If you are a great coach, it doesn't matter what level you are at; he will be a great coach in the NFL. I love this guy." Rivals.com College Football - Orgeron heads to NFL for post with Saints missle, I appreciate your enthusiasm, passion for Saints success, and opinions, however, in this case Monte Kiffin opinion takes precedent!
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01-25-2008, 04:51 PM	#27
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach I say give him a chance. In fact, I'm somewhat excited about the potential here.