Free agent bits and pieces......

Supersaint19 · 02-01-2008, 11:50 AM

Biloxi who is that in your avatar

biloxi-indian · 02-01-2008, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Supersaint19

Biloxi who is that in your avatar

A friend of mine sent me the picture.

Bobaganoosh · 02-01-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

Don't confuse wish with actually doing. I get your point, but to my point look at the three headed QB situation the Bears had in 2007...Griese (third round), Grossman (first round and 22nd overall), and Orton (fourth round).

OK...first of all, none of those three were top 10 picks. Secondly, the Bears didnt draft Griese, they signed him as a free agent to be a backup. Orton, a 4th round pick, was not drafted to be the franchise QB. Grossman was a late first rounder, but he wasnt drafted that high to be a backup. You can only play one at a time and teams dont draft QB's in the top 10 to be a backup. Later round picks and free agents make up most of the leagues backups. It is extremely rare to find a guy that was drafted by someone in the top 10 and he is only a backup with the same team. It just doesnt happen.

biloxi-indian · 02-14-2008, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

Thats is some major wishfull thinking. McFadden being there at 10 is like saying Reggie Bush would be available at 10 2 years ago. Not even a possibility.

Mayock's top ten as of yesterday

1) Matt Ryan, QB
2) Sedrick Ellis, DT
3) Chris Long, DE
4) Glenn Dorsey, DT
5) Vernon Gholston, DE
6) Jake Long, OT
7) Ryan Clady, OT
8) Keith Rivers, LB
9) Philip Merling, DE
10) Leodis McKelvin, CB

We know Mayock likes to break the mold on his judgements (and I respect that) but this is as high as I have seen Clady, Merling and McKelvin.

Yesterday he said he can see both Gholston and Chis Long as linebackers in a 3-4 formation. I agree with Gholston (I think he can play LB in a 4-3 even) but not sure on Long. According to him, Merling is the best run stopper of the defensive ends.

He says McFadden is not a top 20 pick. Hmm...

http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61062

Bobaganoosh · 02-14-2008, 02:26 PM

so are you going to tell me that the list of his top 10 is how the top 10 picks are going to unfold? There is no way that McFadden will fall to us. Once he falls past 4, you will see teams trying to move up to take him. He will be gone long before our slot comes up and that is not even something i am going to debate.

SapperSaint · 02-14-2008, 02:32 PM

Boba, who is our front runners?

biloxi-indian · 02-14-2008, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

so are you going to tell me that the list of his top 10 is how the top 10 picks are going to unfold? There is no way that McFadden will fall to us. Once he falls past 4, you will see teams trying to move up to take him. He will be gone long before our slot comes up and that is not even something i am going to debate.

I didn't tell you anything of the sort. What I did do was provide a link to an opposing perspective (not mine) to yours. It is regrettable you cannot accept a opposing viewpoint (not mine) from someone who does this for a living!

BTW; go back and read again. I said "IF" and it was a big "IF"!

biloxi-indian · 02-14-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

I didn't tell you anything of the sort. What I did do was provide a link to an opposing perspective (not mine) to yours. It is regrettable you cannot accept a opposing viewpoint (not mine) from someone who does this for a living!

BTW; go back and read again. I said "IF" and it was a big "IF"!

To be fair, here is another mock that has McFadden going 6th to the Jets.

SI.com - Writers - Don Banks: Dolphins' Parcells a wild card in latest mock draft - Thursday February 14, 2008 12:37PM

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-14-2008, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I don't know about you guys, but I'd give up a 2nd round pick in a heartbeat to get Roy Williams. Thoughts?

Not again! I'd give up a second for a defensive back with the same talent level as Williams. Or a LB. Or a DT.

But i'll only give up that second for a proven productive defensive player.

Sounds like that Haynesworth deal could get nasty if they don't get something worked out. I'd love to have him in N.O. I'd trade our first rounder for that guy.

Now that's something I can agree with.

SFIAH

Bobaganoosh · 02-14-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

I didn't tell you anything of the sort. What I did do was provide a link to an opposing perspective (not mine) to yours. It is regrettable you cannot accept a opposing viewpoint (not mine) from someone who does this for a living!

BTW; go back and read again. I said "IF" and it was a big "IF"!

I can accept an opposing viewpoint...and i will admit my mistake was forgetting that you used the term "Big if". I will say this...it is extremely farfetched and it would be something that no one anticipates. I will also say this, if he does slide down to the bottom part of the top 10, it will be because some "previously unknown issues" come up and that will of course cause his stock to plummet. But if the draft was held tomorrow, i would bet that he is a sure fire top 5 pick. But you are right, alot of things can happen between now and the draft but if that is indeed the case, there will be reasons for it which would also cause the Saints to pass on him much like the rest of the teams did.

02-01-2008, 11:50 AM	#41
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02-01-2008, 11:58 AM	#42
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by Supersaint19 Biloxi who is that in your avatar A friend of mine sent me the picture.

02-01-2008, 02:42 PM	#43
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by biloxi-indian Don't confuse wish with actually doing. I get your point, but to my point look at the three headed QB situation the Bears had in 2007...Griese (third round), Grossman (first round and 22nd overall), and Orton (fourth round). OK...first of all, none of those three were top 10 picks. Secondly, the Bears didnt draft Griese, they signed him as a free agent to be a backup. Orton, a 4th round pick, was not drafted to be the franchise QB. Grossman was a late first rounder, but he wasnt drafted that high to be a backup. You can only play one at a time and teams dont draft QB's in the top 10 to be a backup. Later round picks and free agents make up most of the leagues backups. It is extremely rare to find a guy that was drafted by someone in the top 10 and he is only a backup with the same team. It just doesnt happen.
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02-14-2008, 09:04 AM	#44
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh Thats is some major wishfull thinking. McFadden being there at 10 is like saying Reggie Bush would be available at 10 2 years ago. Not even a possibility. Mayock's top ten as of yesterday 1) Matt Ryan, QB 2) Sedrick Ellis, DT 3) Chris Long, DE 4) Glenn Dorsey, DT 5) Vernon Gholston, DE 6) Jake Long, OT 7) Ryan Clady, OT 8) Keith Rivers, LB 9) Philip Merling, DE 10) Leodis McKelvin, CB We know Mayock likes to break the mold on his judgements (and I respect that) but this is as high as I have seen Clady, Merling and McKelvin. Yesterday he said he can see both Gholston and Chis Long as linebackers in a 3-4 formation. I agree with Gholston (I think he can play LB in a 4-3 even) but not sure on Long. According to him, Merling is the best run stopper of the defensive ends. He says McFadden is not a top 20 pick. Hmm... http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61062
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02-14-2008, 02:26 PM	#45
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... so are you going to tell me that the list of his top 10 is how the top 10 picks are going to unfold? There is no way that McFadden will fall to us. Once he falls past 4, you will see teams trying to move up to take him. He will be gone long before our slot comes up and that is not even something i am going to debate.

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02-14-2008, 02:32 PM	#46
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02-14-2008, 06:03 PM	#47
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh so are you going to tell me that the list of his top 10 is how the top 10 picks are going to unfold? There is no way that McFadden will fall to us. Once he falls past 4, you will see teams trying to move up to take him. He will be gone long before our slot comes up and that is not even something i am going to debate. I didn't tell you anything of the sort. What I did do was provide a link to an opposing perspective (not mine) to yours. It is regrettable you cannot accept a opposing viewpoint (not mine) from someone who does this for a living! BTW; go back and read again. I said "IF" and it was a big "IF"!

02-14-2008, 07:57 PM	#48
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by biloxi-indian I didn't tell you anything of the sort. What I did do was provide a link to an opposing perspective (not mine) to yours. It is regrettable you cannot accept a opposing viewpoint (not mine) from someone who does this for a living! BTW; go back and read again. I said "IF" and it was a big "IF"! To be fair, here is another mock that has McFadden going 6th to the Jets. SI.com - Writers - Don Banks: Dolphins' Parcells a wild card in latest mock draft - Thursday February 14, 2008 12:37PM

02-14-2008, 09:10 PM	#49
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by TheDeuce I don't know about you guys, but I'd give up a 2nd round pick in a heartbeat to get Roy Williams. Thoughts? Not again! I'd give up a second for a defensive back with the same talent level as Williams. Or a LB. Or a DT. But i'll only give up that second for a proven productive defensive player. Sounds like that Haynesworth deal could get nasty if they don't get something worked out. I'd love to have him in N.O. I'd trade our first rounder for that guy. Now that's something I can agree with. SFIAH

02-14-2008, 10:12 PM	#50
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by biloxi-indian I didn't tell you anything of the sort. What I did do was provide a link to an opposing perspective (not mine) to yours. It is regrettable you cannot accept a opposing viewpoint (not mine) from someone who does this for a living! BTW; go back and read again. I said "IF" and it was a big "IF"! I can accept an opposing viewpoint...and i will admit my mistake was forgetting that you used the term "Big if". I will say this...it is extremely farfetched and it would be something that no one anticipates. I will also say this, if he does slide down to the bottom part of the top 10, it will be because some "previously unknown issues" come up and that will of course cause his stock to plummet. But if the draft was held tomorrow, i would bet that he is a sure fire top 5 pick. But you are right, alot of things can happen between now and the draft but if that is indeed the case, there will be reasons for it which would also cause the Saints to pass on him much like the rest of the teams did.
	It's all in the reflexes.