DE evaluation

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-11-2008, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

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Offensive Coordinator huh? Well limit your responses to the offensive discussions unless you cannot act a little nicer.

If we had Champ Bailey as a starting corner, gave him ESP, and then cloned him so we now had TWO Champ Bailey's with ESP, they would get beat without pressure on the QB. The QB's in this league can fit the ball into such small places that a great CB will not fix our problem.

Excellent analysis.

Big deal that Denver's pass D was better than ours, we had an underperforming pass rushing D line and a horrible CB on one side. The DOncos have an average D line and probably the best CB tandem in the league. The Giants Pass D was much better than ours, they have a great front 4 and even their starting CB's were not any good, forget the fact they played with out at least one of their starters all year long. Look at what they did when it mattered, the Doncos would have been torn up by the Patriots. The great QB's consistently win the battle against a great CB if they have time to throw.

Because they can then throw the ball over the top. Even an average CB can be effective if they can keep the receiver and the ball in front of them.

An outstanding pass rush is like a tide that lifts all boats in the secondary. It makes the QB less accurate. That means more incompletions, more short throws, more opportunities for interceptions and pass breakups and shorter completions. It makes QBs uncomfortable, and that's a good thing.

Now why DT? A strong DT pushes the interior of the pocket and forces double teams, which frees the ends and the blitzers to get to the QB. Guys like Hanyesworth, Tuck, Corey Williams, and Shaun Rogers are disruptive in the passing game.

Now I'm not saying that we don't need another CB. MacKenzie will be gone for most of the season next year.

But the focus needs to be on the front 7 that can make an offense zero dimensional.

SFIAH

pakowitz · 02-11-2008, 12:11 PM

SFIAH

excellent post... i agree on pretty much everything you just said. most people are wanting us to draft a CB which i have no problem with.. the problem that i do have is that most if not all think that he is going to come in and start and be a shutdown corner... whoever we get will be a ROOKIE!!! do you guys forget that.. he will be picked on at every opportunity by our opponents... drafting a CB wont make our D great this year.. maybe 2 or 3 years down the line, they would be a shutdown corner but there is no way that anyone can say that they would be an immediate upgrade at CB with no starting NFL experience whatsoever

WhoDatQB · 02-11-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Excellent analysis.

Because they can then throw the ball over the top. Even an average CB can be effective if they can keep the receiver and the ball in front of them.

An outstanding pass rush is like a tide that lifts all boats in the secondary. It makes the QB less accurate. That means more incompletions, more short throws, more opportunities for interceptions and pass breakups and shorter completions. It makes QBs uncomfortable, and that's a good thing.

Now why DT? A strong DT pushes the interior of the pocket and forces double teams, which frees the ends and the blitzers to get to the QB. Guys like Hanyesworth, Tuck, Corey Williams, and Shaun Rogers are disruptive in the passing game.

Now I'm not saying that we don't need another CB. MacKenzie will be gone for most of the season next year.

But the focus needs to be on the front 7 that can make an offense zero dimensional.

SFIAH

A great DT shrinks the pocket and the QB cannot just move up to escape the pass rushing ends. However considering MM will be out most if not all of the year we will need a CB too. NOT A PROJECT CB, one who can start right away. No way is a rookie gonna give us what either Trufant or Samuels can. I would like to see a CB in FA, another in the second round unless we land a DT in FA or one is not available.

Tobias-Reiper · 02-11-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by saintspassion

yall seriously know nothing about football.... lets see... after the past 2 years Fred Thomas and Jason David sucked... so yalls conclusion to fixing that is by drafting a DT???? wow...yall must not watch each game...im at the 50 yard line every game and my dad was the offensive coordinator on the chargers from 86-91....i know what the hell im talking about

... well, either your mama was a coach groupie and doesn't know who your papa is, or you are a big fat stinking liar.

The Chargers had at least 3 OCs between 1986 and 1991.

02-11-2008, 09:45 AM	#41
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: DE evaluation Originally Posted by WhoDatQB ============= Offensive Coordinator huh? Well limit your responses to the offensive discussions unless you cannot act a little nicer. If we had Champ Bailey as a starting corner, gave him ESP, and then cloned him so we now had TWO Champ Bailey's with ESP, they would get beat without pressure on the QB. The QB's in this league can fit the ball into such small places that a great CB will not fix our problem. Excellent analysis. Big deal that Denver's pass D was better than ours, we had an underperforming pass rushing D line and a horrible CB on one side. The DOncos have an average D line and probably the best CB tandem in the league. The Giants Pass D was much better than ours, they have a great front 4 and even their starting CB's were not any good, forget the fact they played with out at least one of their starters all year long. Look at what they did when it mattered, the Doncos would have been torn up by the Patriots. The great QB's consistently win the battle against a great CB if they have time to throw. Because they can then throw the ball over the top. Even an average CB can be effective if they can keep the receiver and the ball in front of them. An outstanding pass rush is like a tide that lifts all boats in the secondary. It makes the QB less accurate. That means more incompletions, more short throws, more opportunities for interceptions and pass breakups and shorter completions. It makes QBs uncomfortable, and that's a good thing. Now why DT? A strong DT pushes the interior of the pocket and forces double teams, which frees the ends and the blitzers to get to the QB. Guys like Hanyesworth, Tuck, Corey Williams, and Shaun Rogers are disruptive in the passing game. Now I'm not saying that we don't need another CB. MacKenzie will be gone for most of the season next year. But the focus needs to be on the front 7 that can make an offense zero dimensional. SFIAH
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02-11-2008, 12:11 PM	#42
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: DE evaluation SFIAH excellent post... i agree on pretty much everything you just said. most people are wanting us to draft a CB which i have no problem with.. the problem that i do have is that most if not all think that he is going to come in and start and be a shutdown corner... whoever we get will be a ROOKIE!!! do you guys forget that.. he will be picked on at every opportunity by our opponents... drafting a CB wont make our D great this year.. maybe 2 or 3 years down the line, they would be a shutdown corner but there is no way that anyone can say that they would be an immediate upgrade at CB with no starting NFL experience whatsoever
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02-11-2008, 01:44 PM	#43
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: DE evaluation Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Excellent analysis. Because they can then throw the ball over the top. Even an average CB can be effective if they can keep the receiver and the ball in front of them. An outstanding pass rush is like a tide that lifts all boats in the secondary. It makes the QB less accurate. That means more incompletions, more short throws, more opportunities for interceptions and pass breakups and shorter completions. It makes QBs uncomfortable, and that's a good thing. Now why DT? A strong DT pushes the interior of the pocket and forces double teams, which frees the ends and the blitzers to get to the QB. Guys like Hanyesworth, Tuck, Corey Williams, and Shaun Rogers are disruptive in the passing game. Now I'm not saying that we don't need another CB. MacKenzie will be gone for most of the season next year. But the focus needs to be on the front 7 that can make an offense zero dimensional. SFIAH A great DT shrinks the pocket and the QB cannot just move up to escape the pass rushing ends. However considering MM will be out most if not all of the year we will need a CB too. NOT A PROJECT CB, one who can start right away. No way is a rookie gonna give us what either Trufant or Samuels can. I would like to see a CB in FA, another in the second round unless we land a DT in FA or one is not available.

02-11-2008, 02:46 PM	#44
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: DE evaluation Originally Posted by saintspassion yall seriously know nothing about football.... lets see... after the past 2 years Fred Thomas and Jason David sucked... so yalls conclusion to fixing that is by drafting a DT???? wow...yall must not watch each game...im at the 50 yard line every game and my dad was the offensive coordinator on the chargers from 86-91....i know what the hell im talking about ... well, either your mama was a coach groupie and doesn't know who your papa is, or you are a big fat stinking liar. The Chargers had at least 3 OCs between 1986 and 1991.

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