Jets, can I have this dance

FireVenturi · 03-11-2008, 10:24 PM

I also think we will try to move down, if not we will stay put and take the BPA, even if its a rb. I'm not a big fan of moving up....not this year anyway.

I think if Ryan, some kind of a way is there at no.10, we could rack up and move down. Any possible suitors Hagan?

Euphoria · 03-11-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by BIGEASY504

With the signing of McGray, moving Grant inside to tackle on passing downs makes taking a DT in later rounds. So a top flight LB is needed more now than a DT

Grant has proved he isn't a pass rusher so see no since in having him in even at a DT position during passing downs.

rebelsaint · 03-11-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

To move up to 6, we would have to part with a 2nd round pick. So would you rather walk away from day 1 of the draft with:

a) Sedrick Ellis

or

b) Keith Rivers and Brandon Flowers

or

Cromartie, Ali Highsmith and Matt Forte' and move Grant to the middle on passing downs.

rebelsaint · 03-11-2008, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

To move up to 6, we would have to part with a 2nd round pick. So would you rather walk away from day 1 of the draft with:

a) Sedrick Ellis

or

b) Keith Rivers and Brandon Flowers

or

Cromartie, Ali Highsmith and Matt Forte

D_it_up · 03-12-2008, 12:03 AM

Addition by subtraction? No thanks. Been burned on that too many times before. Ricky Williams and Jonathan Sullivan come to mind. I'd rather they take their chances and stand pat or trade down. Forget the trading up nonsense.

mighty12 · 03-12-2008, 12:21 AM

This draft is soo close in talent that I would not be surprised to see vey few trades at the top. But from 10 on down plan on seeing MANY!

hagan714 · 03-12-2008, 12:10 PM

saintsmissile pulls no punches once again.

I would still like some youth at DT.

stockman311 · 03-12-2008, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

The Saints DESPERATEY need a DT? Apparently the Saints don't think so with the resigning of B.Young. You now still have B.Young, H.Thomas, K.Clancy, A.Lake, Orein Harris and M.Boykin. Doesn't look like a team "desperate" to me. Now, you look at CB and this is what you have:

Craft at 35
Thomas at 34, think we let him go finally
G.Fassitt-WHO?
McKenzie-31 coming off major injury
Anwar Phillips-25 has done nada, even on the pratice squad
U.Young-22 jury still out on him
J.David-who care about his age, he sucks.

Compared to the CB's, the DT's all look like ALL PROS!

I guess Randall Gay never made the flight to New Orleans.
I think McKenzie and Young will be ready to play when the season starts. That gives us McKenzie and Gay starting, Young as Nickel, and David as dime (which even he couldn't mess up).

I would rather have that rotation with Ellis and Thomas up front than Bryan Young who can't even make it through the season anymore. We need to pressure the QB and it needs to be up the middle. This will make our CB's that much better. I don't care what rookie you draft in the first round, he won't make much of an impact Game 1. Ellis or Dorsey will. It's a no brainer on which position we need more.

Bobaganoosh · 03-12-2008, 01:03 PM

The fact of the matter is this. The saints do need to get a young DT who can stop the run and also be able to somewhat rush the passer. The Saints do need another CB due to the uncertainty of MM's health, Youngs development, David ever being to fit in this system and so on. Both areas have to be addressed because the Saints defense does lack young playmakers. I think we have a good combination of youth and experience at LB if Vilma can stay healthy and Morgan plays 10 to 12 games. DT and CB are both key needs for this team and its hard to say one is more important than the other.

stockman311 · 03-12-2008, 04:15 PM

I can't with all seriousness say which is more important than the other either, but what I can say is that I would rather take my chances in '08 with a dominant DT like Ellis or Dorsey who I know will be playing every game, than I would on a player like McKelvin or Cromartie who I don't know if they will even see the field. The position of DT is by it's very nature easier to pick up than CB in the NFL. Just like RB is easier to pick up than QB.
DT is checkers, CB is chess. Especially in today's NFL when teams are throwing all over the place and zone coverages are implemented more and more.

03-11-2008, 10:24 PM	#11
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Jets, can I have this dance I also think we will try to move down, if not we will stay put and take the BPA, even if its a rb. I'm not a big fan of moving up....not this year anyway. I think if Ryan, some kind of a way is there at no.10, we could rack up and move down. Any possible suitors Hagan?

03-11-2008, 10:46 PM	#12
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jets, can I have this dance Originally Posted by BIGEASY504 With the signing of McGray, moving Grant inside to tackle on passing downs makes taking a DT in later rounds. So a top flight LB is needed more now than a DT Grant has proved he isn't a pass rusher so see no since in having him in even at a DT position during passing downs.

03-11-2008, 11:19 PM	#13
rebelsaint Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 15	Re: Jets, can I have this dance Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh To move up to 6, we would have to part with a 2nd round pick. So would you rather walk away from day 1 of the draft with: a) Sedrick Ellis or b) Keith Rivers and Brandon Flowers or Cromartie, Ali Highsmith and Matt Forte' and move Grant to the middle on passing downs.
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03-11-2008, 11:58 PM	#14
rebelsaint Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 15	Re: Jets, can I have this dance Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh To move up to 6, we would have to part with a 2nd round pick. So would you rather walk away from day 1 of the draft with: a) Sedrick Ellis or b) Keith Rivers and Brandon Flowers or Cromartie, Ali Highsmith and Matt Forte
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03-12-2008, 12:03 AM	#15
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jets, can I have this dance Addition by subtraction? No thanks. Been burned on that too many times before. Ricky Williams and Jonathan Sullivan come to mind. I'd rather they take their chances and stand pat or trade down. Forget the trading up nonsense.

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03-12-2008, 12:21 AM	#16
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jets, can I have this dance This draft is soo close in talent that I would not be surprised to see vey few trades at the top. But from 10 on down plan on seeing MANY!

03-12-2008, 12:10 PM	#17
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Jets, can I have this dance saintsmissile pulls no punches once again. I would still like some youth at DT.

03-12-2008, 12:40 PM	#18
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Jets, can I have this dance Originally Posted by saintsmissile The Saints DESPERATEY need a DT? Apparently the Saints don't think so with the resigning of B.Young. You now still have B.Young, H.Thomas, K.Clancy, A.Lake, Orein Harris and M.Boykin. Doesn't look like a team "desperate" to me. Now, you look at CB and this is what you have: Craft at 35 Thomas at 34, think we let him go finally G.Fassitt-WHO? McKenzie-31 coming off major injury Anwar Phillips-25 has done nada, even on the pratice squad U.Young-22 jury still out on him J.David-who care about his age, he sucks. Compared to the CB's, the DT's all look like ALL PROS! I guess Randall Gay never made the flight to New Orleans. I think McKenzie and Young will be ready to play when the season starts. That gives us McKenzie and Gay starting, Young as Nickel, and David as dime (which even he couldn't mess up). I would rather have that rotation with Ellis and Thomas up front than Bryan Young who can't even make it through the season anymore. We need to pressure the QB and it needs to be up the middle. This will make our CB's that much better. I don't care what rookie you draft in the first round, he won't make much of an impact Game 1. Ellis or Dorsey will. It's a no brainer on which position we need more.

03-12-2008, 01:03 PM	#19
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Jets, can I have this dance The fact of the matter is this. The saints do need to get a young DT who can stop the run and also be able to somewhat rush the passer. The Saints do need another CB due to the uncertainty of MM's health, Youngs development, David ever being to fit in this system and so on. Both areas have to be addressed because the Saints defense does lack young playmakers. I think we have a good combination of youth and experience at LB if Vilma can stay healthy and Morgan plays 10 to 12 games. DT and CB are both key needs for this team and its hard to say one is more important than the other.
	It's all in the reflexes.

03-12-2008, 04:15 PM	#20
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Jets, can I have this dance I can't with all seriousness say which is more important than the other either, but what I can say is that I would rather take my chances in '08 with a dominant DT like Ellis or Dorsey who I know will be playing every game, than I would on a player like McKelvin or Cromartie who I don't know if they will even see the field. The position of DT is by it's very nature easier to pick up than CB in the NFL. Just like RB is easier to pick up than QB. DT is checkers, CB is chess. Especially in today's NFL when teams are throwing all over the place and zone coverages are implemented more and more.