Jets, can I have this dance

ScottF · 03-13-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

There are no CB's in this draft worthy of a top 10 selection.

and that is the bottom line. Of course we desperately need a quality CB, but picking a guy at 10 doesn't make him Asante Samuel. If we can trade down and still take McElvin or DRC, then yes, let's go CB in the first, otherwise we might as well go BPA

gandhi1007 · 03-13-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Uh, getting pass rush from DT's is not the strength of a 4-3. It should be coming from your ends. You "draft a DT with #10" guys kill me. Again, it is my opinion that our DT's are probably one of the most consistant of our defense. With our DB's and secondary beset with injuries, age and flat out just no talent, you guys STILL want to go after a player in a DT who would be a PARTIAL player at best! Here's what ESPN had to say about our "middle" defense which directly relates to our DT's. DT's MAIN priority is to stop the run and according to these comments, it looks like they pretty much did that last season. I would like someone here to post the top 3 pass rushing DT's last year and tell me how many sacks they actually had compared to our guys. Course, our numbers are skewed due to Young's injury last season. Here is ESPN's comments concerning our DT's.

In fact, not only did New Orleans have a good run defense last year, but that run defense was strongest up the middle. The Saints ranked 10th in Adjusted Line Yards (explained here) on runs listed in the play-by-play as up the middle or behind a guard. However, they ranked 29th against runs around left end and 26th against runs around right end.

Huh????

1st...DE's are able to rush the passer by NOT being double-teamed. You beat the double team on your DE's by having DT's that have to be accounted for. We don't have that. Notice our QB pressure dropped off last year? That is because our DE's are being double teamed. Know why? Our DT's are not respected.

Second...I don't know what games you were watching, but everybody we played had their success rushing right up the gut. Hence the term "Adjusted" line yards. Not saying we had much success on the edge, but our DT's played horrible. The LB's don't get a pass either, but that has been addressed.

Now...I think CB is our biggest need, but I don't like addressing CB in the draft. Make a trade for a good veteran. That said, DT is a glaring hole as well & there are some studs in this year's draft (though they are very few).

03-13-2008, 04:49 PM	#2
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Jets, can I have this dance Originally Posted by saintsmissile Uh, getting pass rush from DT's is not the strength of a 4-3. It should be coming from your ends. You "draft a DT with #10" guys kill me. Again, it is my opinion that our DT's are probably one of the most consistant of our defense. With our DB's and secondary beset with injuries, age and flat out just no talent, you guys STILL want to go after a player in a DT who would be a PARTIAL player at best! Here's what ESPN had to say about our "middle" defense which directly relates to our DT's. DT's MAIN priority is to stop the run and according to these comments, it looks like they pretty much did that last season. I would like someone here to post the top 3 pass rushing DT's last year and tell me how many sacks they actually had compared to our guys. Course, our numbers are skewed due to Young's injury last season. Here is ESPN's comments concerning our DT's. In fact, not only did New Orleans have a good run defense last year, but that run defense was strongest up the middle. The Saints ranked 10th in Adjusted Line Yards (explained here) on runs listed in the play-by-play as up the middle or behind a guard. However, they ranked 29th against runs around left end and 26th against runs around right end. Huh???? 1st...DE's are able to rush the passer by NOT being double-teamed. You beat the double team on your DE's by having DT's that have to be accounted for. We don't have that. Notice our QB pressure dropped off last year? That is because our DE's are being double teamed. Know why? Our DT's are not respected. Second...I don't know what games you were watching, but everybody we played had their success rushing right up the gut. Hence the term "Adjusted" line yards. Not saying we had much success on the edge, but our DT's played horrible. The LB's don't get a pass either, but that has been addressed. Now...I think CB is our biggest need, but I don't like addressing CB in the draft. Make a trade for a good veteran. That said, DT is a glaring hole as well & there are some studs in this year's draft (though they are very few).
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03-13-2008, 04:21 PM	#1
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Jets, can I have this dance Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh There are no CB's in this draft worthy of a top 10 selection. and that is the bottom line. Of course we desperately need a quality CB, but picking a guy at 10 doesn't make him Asante Samuel. If we can trade down and still take McElvin or DRC, then yes, let's go CB in the first, otherwise we might as well go BPA