How Would You Fix the D?

cajunasian61 · 03-23-2008, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

This goes back to my original arguement. Regardless of who are starting corners are, whether it be Young, David, Gay, McKenzie or McElvin/Rogers Cromartie, we don't find a replacement for pathetic Bullocks, we will STILL be inept in the secondary. None of the afore mentioned cbs outside of MM, are really quality cb's in this league. Gay will give you some playmaking ability as a nickle, but you know, Gay HAS played some FS. What about replacing Bullocks with Gay? Might not be a bad move. We would have to acquire a Sheppard or maybe F.Washington, but it might not be a bad move all way round.

Missile, I agree with you totally on replacing Bullocks. I feel that as bad as JD was last year, Bullocks was just as responsible for the bad play in the secondary if not more so. He has never been good. Never will be good. But as far as replacing him, if we do not pick up anyone I really feel that if we just replace Bullocks with KK it will be a significant upgrade. In the games that Kaesviharn started he looked so much better than Bullocks. That doesn't mean that KK is the answer, but I am positive that he is better (I mean Simoneau looked good to me at first after two years of Courtney Watson, sorry to bring that name up again). With Harper now being two years removed from ACL surgery and having another year of experience and KK replacing Bullocks, I feel like our safety play won't be such a liability next year, and might even be a pleasant surprise. Also maybe Phillips can fall to us in round 2, or even better we could trade down and pick him later in the 1st round.

cajunasian61 · 03-23-2008, 10:30 AM

Usualy it takes players about 2 years to fully recover from an ACL injury, so we can wait to make our final judgement on Harper until this year. I think he will be fine. Probably not great but good enough.

triman · 03-23-2008, 10:43 AM

Everybody wants to change scheme ,coaches etc... The problem with the Saints D is very simple we lack talent at several positions . CB is a very high profile one everybody seems to think that if we get the second coming of DEON that the Saints will solve there defensive problems , IMHO I beg to differ The Saints need a DT capable of creating a push up the middle and requiring offenses to double team him . This would free up LBs and DEs to rush the passer . Our LBs are very mediorce ,I think the FO has realized this and is attemting to upgrade this position with the additions of Vilma and Morgan . Today's NFL uses alot of spread offenses 3 and 4 wide sets IMHO it is difficult for DBs to efffect the game without a substantial pass rush. I hope that we use our draft to improve our front 7 and add some talent to our DB roster

papz · 03-23-2008, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

I'm hoping Usama Young or some bright young rookie from the draft gets the nod over Jason David. I'd like to see Gay man the nickel as well. He's a good nickel corner, just not a true #1 or #2.

I'd rather that also gandhi. One can only hope Young would be ready to man the 2 spot but I honestly feel he won't make a big contribution until next year.

cajunasian61 · 03-23-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I'd rather that also gandhi. One can only hope Young would be ready to man the 2 spot but I honestly feel he won't make a big contribution until next year.

I agree with you Papz. I don't know what people saw last year that makes them think that Usama is ready to be a starter. I don't see him being anything more than a dime back. He was terrible at tackling, and I can't remember ever thinking during a game "That was great coverage by Usama." He's a work in progress and will take a year or two more, if he even pans out at all. To be perfectly honest, with McKenzie probably on the PUP, Jason Craft is the best CB on our roster that played for us last year (and I hated Craft before last year). Go back and look at the film. He played very well last year. I'm skeptical because of his age and his lack of ever impressing me before, but he played good last year. Usama on the other hand was irrelevant.

rjakapeanut · 03-23-2008, 02:33 PM

what you guys don't get is MM is going to start the season

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SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-23-2008, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by rjakapeanut

what you guys don't get is MM is going to start the season .

The question is whether or not he'll be anywhere close to 100%.

SFIAH

TheDeuce · 03-23-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by cajunasian61

Usualy it takes players about 2 years to fully recover from an ACL injury, so we can wait to make our final judgement on Harper until this year. I think he will be fine. Probably not great but good enough.

Completely false. With a successful surgery and rehab a player can make it back completely in about 9 months.

thesaintsfan · 03-23-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Completely false. With a successful surgery and rehab a player can make it back completely in about 9 months.

It takes about 9 months before they are cleared by a doctor and they can play again. That doesn't mean the player is going to come back and be his old self right away. For RBs it usually takes a full season of playing to get back to where they were before the injury. The way it usually goes is a RB get's hurt in one season and sits out, comes back the next season and looks like about 85% of his old self, and then by the third season he is back to 100%. However, alot of non-RBs are able to come back the season after the injury and not skip a beat. I think Roman was healthy last year, he's just not all that fast or agile. He was never a track guy to begin with.

rjakapeanut · 03-23-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

The question is whether or not he'll be anywhere close to 100%.

SFIAH

do you think he needs to be? I'd rather have MM at 70% than have Jason David or Jason Craft, lol.

03-23-2008, 10:27 AM	#21
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: How Would You Fix the D? Originally Posted by saintsmissile This goes back to my original arguement. Regardless of who are starting corners are, whether it be Young, David, Gay, McKenzie or McElvin/Rogers Cromartie, we don't find a replacement for pathetic Bullocks, we will STILL be inept in the secondary. None of the afore mentioned cbs outside of MM, are really quality cb's in this league. Gay will give you some playmaking ability as a nickle, but you know, Gay HAS played some FS. What about replacing Bullocks with Gay? Might not be a bad move. We would have to acquire a Sheppard or maybe F.Washington, but it might not be a bad move all way round. Missile, I agree with you totally on replacing Bullocks. I feel that as bad as JD was last year, Bullocks was just as responsible for the bad play in the secondary if not more so. He has never been good. Never will be good. But as far as replacing him, if we do not pick up anyone I really feel that if we just replace Bullocks with KK it will be a significant upgrade. In the games that Kaesviharn started he looked so much better than Bullocks. That doesn't mean that KK is the answer, but I am positive that he is better (I mean Simoneau looked good to me at first after two years of Courtney Watson, sorry to bring that name up again). With Harper now being two years removed from ACL surgery and having another year of experience and KK replacing Bullocks, I feel like our safety play won't be such a liability next year, and might even be a pleasant surprise. Also maybe Phillips can fall to us in round 2, or even better we could trade down and pick him later in the 1st round.

03-23-2008, 10:30 AM	#22
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: How Would You Fix the D? Usualy it takes players about 2 years to fully recover from an ACL injury, so we can wait to make our final judgement on Harper until this year. I think he will be fine. Probably not great but good enough.

03-23-2008, 10:43 AM	#23
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Re: How Would You Fix the D? Everybody wants to change scheme ,coaches etc... The problem with the Saints D is very simple we lack talent at several positions . CB is a very high profile one everybody seems to think that if we get the second coming of DEON that the Saints will solve there defensive problems , IMHO I beg to differ The Saints need a DT capable of creating a push up the middle and requiring offenses to double team him . This would free up LBs and DEs to rush the passer . Our LBs are very mediorce ,I think the FO has realized this and is attemting to upgrade this position with the additions of Vilma and Morgan . Today's NFL uses alot of spread offenses 3 and 4 wide sets IMHO it is difficult for DBs to efffect the game without a substantial pass rush. I hope that we use our draft to improve our front 7 and add some talent to our DB roster
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03-23-2008, 11:50 AM	#24
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: How Would You Fix the D? Originally Posted by gandhi1007 I'm hoping Usama Young or some bright young rookie from the draft gets the nod over Jason David. I'd like to see Gay man the nickel as well. He's a good nickel corner, just not a true #1 or #2. I'd rather that also gandhi. One can only hope Young would be ready to man the 2 spot but I honestly feel he won't make a big contribution until next year.

03-23-2008, 01:39 PM	#25
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: How Would You Fix the D? Originally Posted by papz I'd rather that also gandhi. One can only hope Young would be ready to man the 2 spot but I honestly feel he won't make a big contribution until next year. I agree with you Papz. I don't know what people saw last year that makes them think that Usama is ready to be a starter. I don't see him being anything more than a dime back. He was terrible at tackling, and I can't remember ever thinking during a game "That was great coverage by Usama." He's a work in progress and will take a year or two more, if he even pans out at all. To be perfectly honest, with McKenzie probably on the PUP, Jason Craft is the best CB on our roster that played for us last year (and I hated Craft before last year). Go back and look at the film. He played very well last year. I'm skeptical because of his age and his lack of ever impressing me before, but he played good last year. Usama on the other hand was irrelevant.

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03-23-2008, 02:33 PM	#26
rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: How Would You Fix the D? what you guys don't get is MM is going to start the season .
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03-23-2008, 02:47 PM	#27
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: How Would You Fix the D? Originally Posted by rjakapeanut what you guys don't get is MM is going to start the season . The question is whether or not he'll be anywhere close to 100%. SFIAH

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TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: How Would You Fix the D? Originally Posted by cajunasian61 Usualy it takes players about 2 years to fully recover from an ACL injury, so we can wait to make our final judgement on Harper until this year. I think he will be fine. Probably not great but good enough. Completely false. With a successful surgery and rehab a player can make it back completely in about 9 months.
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03-23-2008, 04:10 PM	#29
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: How Would You Fix the D? Originally Posted by TheDeuce Completely false. With a successful surgery and rehab a player can make it back completely in about 9 months. It takes about 9 months before they are cleared by a doctor and they can play again. That doesn't mean the player is going to come back and be his old self right away. For RBs it usually takes a full season of playing to get back to where they were before the injury. The way it usually goes is a RB get's hurt in one season and sits out, comes back the next season and looks like about 85% of his old self, and then by the third season he is back to 100%. However, alot of non-RBs are able to come back the season after the injury and not skip a beat. I think Roman was healthy last year, he's just not all that fast or agile. He was never a track guy to begin with.

03-23-2008, 05:01 PM	#30
rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: How Would You Fix the D? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL The question is whether or not he'll be anywhere close to 100%. SFIAH do you think he needs to be? I'd rather have MM at 70% than have Jason David or Jason Craft, lol.
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