Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft

rjakapeanut · 03-25-2008, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Ya know I have been thinking NE trading with us is not going to happen with both teams going for the same players. But looking at this draft it makes VERY good sense. Us getting a CB make no sense with the bodies and money we have tied up at that position so for get it. If you can't see that we can't get to the QB... well I will stop there.
The only think I didn't like by this mock is that Dorsey going to the Birds. I almost became ill seeing that. I wish there was something we can do to prevent that from happening but looks like it could be a reality we will have to face TWICE a year. UGH.

but we're nto going for the same players, lmao. we're going for mckelvin, DRC, ellis and rivers. they're going for mckelvin, possibly DRC, and golston.

rjakapeanut · 03-25-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Good, now, take all that Pac 1O talent that USC has been lucky enough to play every year and now, relate that to NFL talent. Ala, Leinart, M.Williams, M.Patterson, F.Rucker, Lendale White, the C Kalil, and yes, Reggie Bush. Okay, I'll give you Tatupu, but look at your odds. The USC boys really haven't made too much of an inpact have they? Someone do some research on all the SC guys that have been drafted in the last say, 5 years and detail how many of them are starters and how many probowls have they gone to.

what about Polamalu? the defense players from USC have been great besides it doesn't matter, just because they go to the same school doesn't mean they're cursed.

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Starting DT's in this past Pro Bowl:

DT: Kevin Williams, Pat Williams
A. Haynesworth, Vince Wilfork

Now, how many were top 10 draft picks?

If getting to the Pro Bowl is your foucus by all means do what ya want but we are talking about what we need to win.... PRESSURE. Again JD isn't a pro bowl CB yet he's got a ring.

Take it away... go ahead... YOU CAN'T.

rjakapeanut · 03-25-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

If getting to the Pro Bowl is your foucus by all means do what ya want but we are talking about what we need to win.... PRESSURE. Again JD isn't a pro bowl CB yet he's got a ring.

Take it away... go ahead... YOU CAN'T.

I don't even know what to say to this. You would probably score a 4 on the Wonderlic.

LOL.

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by rjakapeanut

I don't even know what to say to this. You would probably score a 4 on the Wonderlic.

LOL.

I don't find this funny... and be careful about making things personal around here... thats all I am going to say.

You still can't take that ring from him.

dasaints26 · 03-25-2008, 04:05 PM

Football remains a team sport. It is probably better to have average talent across the board than have exceptional talent in one area combined with poor talent in another area.
Say we have great players on the d-line but poor coverage players. That pressure is little help with wr screens or quick slants. Some of those 300 long pass plays last year started out on 5yd slants. What if our cbs break off of coverage because they thought the qb winked at them the d-line pressure wont help if the qb just has to lob the ball in the wr general area.
And no matter how great the shut-down corners are after 10 seconds someone is going to get open. In this team sport the players have to work together and help each other out.
Everyone has an opinion on what is the biggest need for this team. As that old saying goes 'Opinions are like...' well I forgot how that saying goes I only scored a 4 on my Wonderlick.
Opposing teams will discover the weakness in a defense and try to take advantage of it. Last year it was clearly JD and hopefully all the on-the-job-training will improve his play. With a little better safety help teams should have a harder time completing 80yd pass plays against us next year.
Faine is now the highest paid center and there is no way you can take that away from him.

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by dasaints26

Football remains a team sport. It is probably better to have average talent across the board than have exceptional talent in one area combined with poor talent in another area.
Say we have great players on the d-line but poor coverage players. That pressure is little help with wr screens or quick slants. Some of those 300 long pass plays last year started out on 5yd slants. What if our cbs break off of coverage because they thought the qb winked at them the d-line pressure wont help if the qb just has to lob the ball in the wr general area.
And no matter how great the shut-down corners are after 10 seconds someone is going to get open. In this team sport the players have to work together and help each other out.
Everyone has an opinion on what is the biggest need for this team. As that old saying goes 'Opinions are like...' well I forgot how that saying goes I only scored a 4 on my Wonderlick.
Opposing teams will discover the weakness in a defense and try to take advantage of it. Last year it was clearly JD and hopefully all the on-the-job-training will improve his play. With a little better safety help teams should have a harder time completing 80yd pass plays against us next year.
Faine is now the highest paid center and there is no way you can take that away from him.

Ahh yes get some pressure. The cure-all for any D... ask the Defending Super Bowl Champs the Giants for shutting down one of the better offenses in league history.

Yes you can take Faine's money from him... taxes, fines ect. Bucs can keep him. It'll only make our D look better.
But you can't take a Super Bowl ring from anyone, well unless you're OJ right. LOL. But you're still on that championship roster and it won't be long until a Center is making more money with inflation ect so you can still take that away. We could also sue him for being a fraud -impersonating a Professional Football Center.

Rsanders24 · 03-25-2008, 05:41 PM

I know that I probably will get ripped for saying this but something about Ellis reeks average at best. The only DT that stands out to me is Dorsey and if we can't get him then I say wait until a later round. What would that cost us anyway considering we don't have a fourth round pick. I say let stay put and take the BPA.

hagan714 · 03-25-2008, 07:42 PM

Rsanders24 you wont get ripped for the best player available but you will need to a little more civil though. Do not get Euphoria started.

Boutte · 03-25-2008, 08:44 PM

The Saints will do the right thing which is to take the highest rated player on the board. About the only thing I wouldn't want to see them take is a QB. Obviously there aren't any guards, FBs or TEs good enough to be taken at # 10 but if there was someone talented enough to rate the pick you take him.

I hope we take a stud defensive player in the 1st rd but if there's none there take the best player. A superstar RB or WR is going to help you more than a mediocre CB.

03-25-2008, 03:19 PM	#21
rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft Originally Posted by Euphoria Ya know I have been thinking NE trading with us is not going to happen with both teams going for the same players. But looking at this draft it makes VERY good sense. Us getting a CB make no sense with the bodies and money we have tied up at that position so for get it. If you can't see that we can't get to the QB... well I will stop there. The only think I didn't like by this mock is that Dorsey going to the Birds. I almost became ill seeing that. I wish there was something we can do to prevent that from happening but looks like it could be a reality we will have to face TWICE a year. UGH. but we're nto going for the same players, lmao. we're going for mckelvin, DRC, ellis and rivers. they're going for mckelvin, possibly DRC, and golston.
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03-25-2008, 03:21 PM	#22
rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft Originally Posted by saintsmissile Good, now, take all that Pac 1O talent that USC has been lucky enough to play every year and now, relate that to NFL talent. Ala, Leinart, M.Williams, M.Patterson, F.Rucker, Lendale White, the C Kalil, and yes, Reggie Bush. Okay, I'll give you Tatupu, but look at your odds. The USC boys really haven't made too much of an inpact have they? Someone do some research on all the SC guys that have been drafted in the last say, 5 years and detail how many of them are starters and how many probowls have they gone to. what about Polamalu? the defense players from USC have been great besides it doesn't matter, just because they go to the same school doesn't mean they're cursed.
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03-25-2008, 03:22 PM	#23
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft Originally Posted by saintsmissile Starting DT's in this past Pro Bowl: DT: Kevin Williams, Pat Williams A. Haynesworth, Vince Wilfork Now, how many were top 10 draft picks? If getting to the Pro Bowl is your foucus by all means do what ya want but we are talking about what we need to win.... PRESSURE. Again JD isn't a pro bowl CB yet he's got a ring. Take it away... go ahead... YOU CAN'T.

03-25-2008, 03:24 PM	#24
rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft Originally Posted by Euphoria If getting to the Pro Bowl is your foucus by all means do what ya want but we are talking about what we need to win.... PRESSURE. Again JD isn't a pro bowl CB yet he's got a ring. Take it away... go ahead... YOU CAN'T. I don't even know what to say to this. You would probably score a 4 on the Wonderlic. LOL.
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03-25-2008, 03:28 PM	#25
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft Originally Posted by rjakapeanut I don't even know what to say to this. You would probably score a 4 on the Wonderlic. LOL. I don't find this funny... and be careful about making things personal around here... thats all I am going to say. You still can't take that ring from him.

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03-25-2008, 04:05 PM	#26
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft Football remains a team sport. It is probably better to have average talent across the board than have exceptional talent in one area combined with poor talent in another area. Say we have great players on the d-line but poor coverage players. That pressure is little help with wr screens or quick slants. Some of those 300 long pass plays last year started out on 5yd slants. What if our cbs break off of coverage because they thought the qb winked at them the d-line pressure wont help if the qb just has to lob the ball in the wr general area. And no matter how great the shut-down corners are after 10 seconds someone is going to get open. In this team sport the players have to work together and help each other out. Everyone has an opinion on what is the biggest need for this team. As that old saying goes 'Opinions are like...' well I forgot how that saying goes I only scored a 4 on my Wonderlick. Opposing teams will discover the weakness in a defense and try to take advantage of it. Last year it was clearly JD and hopefully all the on-the-job-training will improve his play. With a little better safety help teams should have a harder time completing 80yd pass plays against us next year. Faine is now the highest paid center and there is no way you can take that away from him.
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03-25-2008, 05:01 PM	#27
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft Originally Posted by dasaints26 Football remains a team sport. It is probably better to have average talent across the board than have exceptional talent in one area combined with poor talent in another area. Say we have great players on the d-line but poor coverage players. That pressure is little help with wr screens or quick slants. Some of those 300 long pass plays last year started out on 5yd slants. What if our cbs break off of coverage because they thought the qb winked at them the d-line pressure wont help if the qb just has to lob the ball in the wr general area. And no matter how great the shut-down corners are after 10 seconds someone is going to get open. In this team sport the players have to work together and help each other out. Everyone has an opinion on what is the biggest need for this team. As that old saying goes 'Opinions are like...' well I forgot how that saying goes I only scored a 4 on my Wonderlick. Opposing teams will discover the weakness in a defense and try to take advantage of it. Last year it was clearly JD and hopefully all the on-the-job-training will improve his play. With a little better safety help teams should have a harder time completing 80yd pass plays against us next year. Faine is now the highest paid center and there is no way you can take that away from him. Ahh yes get some pressure. The cure-all for any D... ask the Defending Super Bowl Champs the Giants for shutting down one of the better offenses in league history. Yes you can take Faine's money from him... taxes, fines ect. Bucs can keep him. It'll only make our D look better. But you can't take a Super Bowl ring from anyone, well unless you're OJ right. LOL. But you're still on that championship roster and it won't be long until a Center is making more money with inflation ect so you can still take that away. We could also sue him for being a fraud -impersonating a Professional Football Center.
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03-25-2008, 05:41 PM	#28
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft I know that I probably will get ripped for saying this but something about Ellis reeks average at best. The only DT that stands out to me is Dorsey and if we can't get him then I say wait until a later round. What would that cost us anyway considering we don't have a fourth round pick. I say let stay put and take the BPA.

03-25-2008, 07:42 PM	#29
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft Rsanders24 you wont get ripped for the best player available but you will need to a little more civil though. Do not get Euphoria started.

03-25-2008, 08:44 PM	#30
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft The Saints will do the right thing which is to take the highest rated player on the board. About the only thing I wouldn't want to see them take is a QB. Obviously there aren't any guards, FBs or TEs good enough to be taken at # 10 but if there was someone talented enough to rate the pick you take him. I hope we take a stud defensive player in the 1st rd but if there's none there take the best player. A superstar RB or WR is going to help you more than a mediocre CB.