Time is needed to Build a D

lsutigerfan · 03-27-2008, 01:08 PM

True Dat, but back then there was no Free agency it is much easier and faster to build a defense these days.

foreverfan · 03-27-2008, 01:09 PM

This was pointed out to me by a good friend.

Dear Euph... Just for the record, the Saints play a DON'T BEND OR BREAK DEFENSE. Think about the Saints defense the last two years and you will see what I mean.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, and your point is well taken. We will be better in 2008.

Back on thread topic.

Euphoria · 03-27-2008, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

This was pointed out to me by a good friend.

Dear Euph... Just for the record, the Saints play a DON'T BEND OR BREAK DEFENSE. Think about the Saints defense the last two years and you will see what I mean.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, and your point is well taken. We will be better in 2008.

Back on thread topic.

My brothers, wife, sisters, cousin's, aunt, best friend says its a bend don't break.

I watched every game the past 4 years and its bend don't break. You give your opponets just enough and without letting them score. What it appears to be doesn't mean its what its ment to be.

Letting the opponet score isn't Defense at all is it? Why would we pay millions of dollars for some goober to stand on the field and play D at all? just walk off the field so no one is there to risk injury then. We'd get the ball back in 10 seconds or less that way.

thesaintsfan · 03-27-2008, 04:15 PM

To suggest that our defense is built to stop the O quickly or let them score quickly in order to get the ball back to our O is absurd. So you're saying that our coaching staff is happy every time we get beat for a 50 yard TD pass? I guess that explains why it happens so much!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-28-2008, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by thesaintsfan

To suggest that our defense is built to stop the O quickly or let them score quickly in order to get the ball back to our O is absurd. So you're saying that our coaching staff is happy every time we get beat for a 50 yard TD pass? I guess that explains why it happens so much!

There have actually been other assessments of a "Break don't bend" defense:

Saints 2007 Preview: The Real Miracle Season - FanHouse - AOL Sports Blog

Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Dominant Dozen: Week 15 2006

SFIAH

cajunasian61 · 03-28-2008, 08:22 AM

The good news is even Bum had one bad draft, so hopefully Payton and staff can rebound from last year's debacle, and come back with a draft closer to year one. I know that you can't fully judge the success of a draft until about three years later, but I have a feeling most of the year two draftees will never pan out into starters, whereas in year one we have two players who will be studs at their respective positions for a long time in Evans and Colston, a player who has the potential to be game changing in Bush (he just needs to prove to me that hw can do this on a consistent basis. As of right now, due to the position he was drafted in he is a bust. I like Reggie but if he doesn't improve he will never warrant the #2 overall and the endless hype), a great backup OT in Strief, and we'll be able to see how good Harper can be this year. He will be two years removed from the ACL injury, so no more excuses. At least he played his rookie year.

cajunasian61 · 03-28-2008, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

There have actually been other assessments of a "Break don't bend" defense:

Saints 2007 Preview: The Real Miracle Season - FanHouse - AOL Sports Blog

Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Dominant Dozen: Week 15 2006

SFIAH

I actually agree that this may be or defensive strategy, but it still doesn't explain, how we almost always seem to let the other team convert in third and long situations. I thought we were supposed to get the other offense off the field quickly, which I rarely see. I think its time for a change in out approach...

BRSaintsFan · 03-27-2008, 03:32 PM

Whatever we want to call the defensive philosphy, it was not pretty last year. At first hearing the idea of Mendenhall at 10, I wanted nothing of the sort but the more I let the idea sit and chew on it a little bit, it could turn out to be a solid move. Maybe its just me, but I think that the CB position is deep this year and there is no truly #1 CB that is head and shoulders above the rest. Also, there are rumors that Carolina is hot on the tail of Mendenhall and I would prefer to see him running over their defenders than running behind their blockers.

Tobias-Reiper · 03-27-2008, 05:03 PM

.. and here I thought the defense the Saints played was the "No Defense Defense"..

Euphoria · 03-27-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

.. and here I thought the defense the Saints played was the "No Defense Defense"..

Dude I think you just gave our Defense there name we have been looking for...

"THE NO DEFENSE DEFENSE", got a ring to it... I like it. So who is going to make it into a poster and have it at a game? lol.

03-27-2008, 01:09 PM	#2
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Time is needed to Build a D This was pointed out to me by a good friend. Dear Euph... Just for the record, the Saints play a DON'T BEND OR BREAK DEFENSE. Think about the Saints defense the last two years and you will see what I mean. I'm not saying it's a good thing, and your point is well taken. We will be better in 2008. Back on thread topic.
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03-27-2008, 03:45 PM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Time is needed to Build a D Originally Posted by foreverfan This was pointed out to me by a good friend. Dear Euph... Just for the record, the Saints play a DON'T BEND OR BREAK DEFENSE. Think about the Saints defense the last two years and you will see what I mean. I'm not saying it's a good thing, and your point is well taken. We will be better in 2008. Back on thread topic. My brothers, wife, sisters, cousin's, aunt, best friend says its a bend don't break. I watched every game the past 4 years and its bend don't break. You give your opponets just enough and without letting them score. What it appears to be doesn't mean its what its ment to be. Letting the opponet score isn't Defense at all is it? Why would we pay millions of dollars for some goober to stand on the field and play D at all? just walk off the field so no one is there to risk injury then. We'd get the ball back in 10 seconds or less that way.
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03-27-2008, 04:15 PM	#4
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Time is needed to Build a D To suggest that our defense is built to stop the O quickly or let them score quickly in order to get the ball back to our O is absurd. So you're saying that our coaching staff is happy every time we get beat for a 50 yard TD pass? I guess that explains why it happens so much!

03-28-2008, 06:52 AM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Time is needed to Build a D Originally Posted by thesaintsfan To suggest that our defense is built to stop the O quickly or let them score quickly in order to get the ball back to our O is absurd. So you're saying that our coaching staff is happy every time we get beat for a 50 yard TD pass? I guess that explains why it happens so much! There have actually been other assessments of a "Break don't bend" defense: Saints 2007 Preview: The Real Miracle Season - FanHouse - AOL Sports Blog Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Dominant Dozen: Week 15 2006 SFIAH

03-28-2008, 08:22 AM	#6
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: Time is needed to Build a D The good news is even Bum had one bad draft, so hopefully Payton and staff can rebound from last year's debacle, and come back with a draft closer to year one. I know that you can't fully judge the success of a draft until about three years later, but I have a feeling most of the year two draftees will never pan out into starters, whereas in year one we have two players who will be studs at their respective positions for a long time in Evans and Colston, a player who has the potential to be game changing in Bush (he just needs to prove to me that hw can do this on a consistent basis. As of right now, due to the position he was drafted in he is a bust. I like Reggie but if he doesn't improve he will never warrant the #2 overall and the endless hype), a great backup OT in Strief, and we'll be able to see how good Harper can be this year. He will be two years removed from the ACL injury, so no more excuses. At least he played his rookie year.

03-27-2008, 01:08 PM	#1
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: Time is needed to Build a D True Dat, but back then there was no Free agency it is much easier and faster to build a defense these days.

03-28-2008, 08:26 AM	#7
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: Time is needed to Build a D Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL There have actually been other assessments of a "Break don't bend" defense: Saints 2007 Preview: The Real Miracle Season - FanHouse - AOL Sports Blog Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Dominant Dozen: Week 15 2006 SFIAH I actually agree that this may be or defensive strategy, but it still doesn't explain, how we almost always seem to let the other team convert in third and long situations. I thought we were supposed to get the other offense off the field quickly, which I rarely see. I think its time for a change in out approach...

03-27-2008, 03:32 PM	#8
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Time is needed to Build a D Whatever we want to call the defensive philosphy, it was not pretty last year. At first hearing the idea of Mendenhall at 10, I wanted nothing of the sort but the more I let the idea sit and chew on it a little bit, it could turn out to be a solid move. Maybe its just me, but I think that the CB position is deep this year and there is no truly #1 CB that is head and shoulders above the rest. Also, there are rumors that Carolina is hot on the tail of Mendenhall and I would prefer to see him running over their defenders than running behind their blockers.

03-27-2008, 05:03 PM	#9
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Time is needed to Build a D .. and here I thought the defense the Saints played was the "No Defense Defense"..

03-27-2008, 06:52 PM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Time is needed to Build a D Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper .. and here I thought the defense the Saints played was the "No Defense Defense".. Dude I think you just gave our Defense there name we have been looking for... "THE NO DEFENSE DEFENSE", got a ring to it... I like it. So who is going to make it into a poster and have it at a game? lol.