Just something to think about.

FireVenturi · 04-02-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

i would say that mendenhall was a sophmore trying to beat out a SR.

I agree with that which means about one year ago PT beat him out and he was/is better. A couple of my draft books question his work ethic....thats just what we need. Although we do seem to like those kinda guys in the first!

SaintPauly · 04-02-2008, 07:13 PM

I'm sorry, but I think some of you guys are bailing on Duece a bit prematurely. He, IMO, won the playoff game against Philly, almost single handedly, and also, IMO, was looking damn good against Chicago, until pass happy Payton decided to abandon the run early, in a SNOW GAME I might add, to start passing the ball on every down.

Duece is NOT old. He is 28. And even with the knees, this kid is still a gamer. Mark my words, IF he is still a Saint when the season begins, which I pray he is, you are all going to see what he does for this offense. Hell, until Brees and Colston came along, he was just about the only offense we had.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-02-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

First I wanna make it clear that I'm not saying anything negative about PT.
I just wanna bring up some recent history with some of our guys. It seems in the last few years we always have that one player at the end of the year that seems like hes finally put it together and is ready to break out. Aaron Brooks, Boo Williams, Zach Hilton, Devery Henderson, but for some reason or another, come the follow up season, they fall flat of what we expected. Im sure theres plenty of other guys that Im skipping over, those are just the ones off the top of my head. Sure, PT showed some flashes of what he is capable of, but personally Im not sold on our RB corp at all.

I know we need defense first, we all know that. Part of me however, is starting to think that maybe Mendenhall is the wisest choice for us at #10. Our offense soared in 06 due to the fact we could throw it and pound it and Deuce (as much as I love the guy) is no longer the long term solution. We found out last year what the lack of a ground game does and in the end it forced more turnovers from Brees. I really think if you take way some of his INTs we wouldve made the playoffs. Maybe the biggest help we can add to our defense is by getting that ground game back, keeping our D off the field and eating up the clock.

.. and exactly what makes you think Mendenhall is going to do any better than PT or Stecker or Bush?

WVSaint · 04-02-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

.. and exactly what makes you think Mendenhall is going to do any better than PT or Stecker or Bush?

Stecker isnt here for the long term benefit. Bush worked better in 06 splitting carries and catching passes, with Deuce defenses had to account for both.
As I said before, nothing against PT, but I'm not 100% sold on him at the moment.
IMO, Mendenhall, might be the safest pick at #10. Nothing is for sure, but taking DRC or Rivers at #10 is very questionable at the moment.

rebelsaint · 04-02-2008, 10:21 PM

We don't need to get a RB in round 1. There will be several good young RB's in rounds 2 and 3 Forte', Stewart, Rice, Kevin Smith...

Tobias-Reiper · 04-03-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

Stecker isnt here for the long term benefit. Bush worked better in 06 splitting carries and catching passes, with Deuce defenses had to account for both.
As I said before, nothing against PT, but I'm not 100% sold on him at the moment.
IMO, Mendenhall, might be the safest pick at #10. Nothing is for sure, but taking DRC or Rivers at #10 is very questionable at the moment.

You didn't answer my question. My question was: exactly what makes you think that Mendenhall is going to do any better than PT or Stecker or Bush?
You must think he'll do better than those 3. Otherwise, what's so "safe" about the pick?
Answering "the other 3 didn't do so hot" doesn't really say much about Mendenhall.

foreverfan · 04-04-2008, 12:20 PM

Bundy has it right again.

Deuce will have at best 1 season left in the tank. One. Next year we will be picking 32nd, and we won't be able to get Deuce's ultimate replacement. Besides, has any of you considered that RB is the least risky pick you can get when you're drafting this high?

The real question is what's in Payton's mind.
It doesn't matter what this forum thinks. It’s already been said that Payton loves Mendenhall (no link but he said it) and the pick does secure he legacy as a great offensive guru. (see picture below) Payton wants an offense that creates mismatches and he needs a primary RB/weapon. With this, he and Drew will be able to once again dictate at will.

Thomas should be used as the primary backup and if you love Deuce, you should realize that he should retire before he ends up a cripple in 10 years.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-04-2008, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Bundy has it right again.

Deuce will have at best 1 season left in the tank. One. Next year we will be picking 32nd, and we won't be able to get Deuce's ultimate replacement. Besides, has any of you considered that RB is the least risky pick you can get when you're drafting this high?

The real question is what's in Payton's mind.
It doesn't matter what this forum thinks. It’s already been said that Payton loves Mendenhall (no link but he said it) and the pick does secure he legacy as a great offensive guru. (see picture below) Payton wants an offense that creates mismatches and he needs a primary RB/weapon. With this, he and Drew will be able to once again dictate at will.

Thomas should be used as the primary backup and if you love Deuce, you should realize that he should retire before he ends up a cripple in 10 years.

.. but why you want to put PT as a backup? What makes you think that Mendenhall is going to do any better than PT?

04-02-2008, 05:58 PM	#11
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Just something to think about. Originally Posted by pakowitz i would say that mendenhall was a sophmore trying to beat out a SR. I agree with that which means about one year ago PT beat him out and he was/is better. A couple of my draft books question his work ethic....thats just what we need. Although we do seem to like those kinda guys in the first!

04-02-2008, 07:13 PM	#12
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Just something to think about. I'm sorry, but I think some of you guys are bailing on Duece a bit prematurely. He, IMO, won the playoff game against Philly, almost single handedly, and also, IMO, was looking damn good against Chicago, until pass happy Payton decided to abandon the run early, in a SNOW GAME I might add, to start passing the ball on every down. Duece is NOT old. He is 28. And even with the knees, this kid is still a gamer. Mark my words, IF he is still a Saint when the season begins, which I pray he is, you are all going to see what he does for this offense. Hell, until Brees and Colston came along, he was just about the only offense we had.
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04-02-2008, 08:10 PM	#13
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Just something to think about. Originally Posted by WVSaint First I wanna make it clear that I'm not saying anything negative about PT. I just wanna bring up some recent history with some of our guys. It seems in the last few years we always have that one player at the end of the year that seems like hes finally put it together and is ready to break out. Aaron Brooks, Boo Williams, Zach Hilton, Devery Henderson, but for some reason or another, come the follow up season, they fall flat of what we expected. Im sure theres plenty of other guys that Im skipping over, those are just the ones off the top of my head. Sure, PT showed some flashes of what he is capable of, but personally Im not sold on our RB corp at all. I know we need defense first, we all know that. Part of me however, is starting to think that maybe Mendenhall is the wisest choice for us at #10. Our offense soared in 06 due to the fact we could throw it and pound it and Deuce (as much as I love the guy) is no longer the long term solution. We found out last year what the lack of a ground game does and in the end it forced more turnovers from Brees. I really think if you take way some of his INTs we wouldve made the playoffs. Maybe the biggest help we can add to our defense is by getting that ground game back, keeping our D off the field and eating up the clock. .. and exactly what makes you think Mendenhall is going to do any better than PT or Stecker or Bush?

04-02-2008, 10:12 PM	#14
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Just something to think about. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper .. and exactly what makes you think Mendenhall is going to do any better than PT or Stecker or Bush? Stecker isnt here for the long term benefit. Bush worked better in 06 splitting carries and catching passes, with Deuce defenses had to account for both. As I said before, nothing against PT, but I'm not 100% sold on him at the moment. IMO, Mendenhall, might be the safest pick at #10. Nothing is for sure, but taking DRC or Rivers at #10 is very questionable at the moment.

04-02-2008, 10:21 PM	#15
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04-03-2008, 10:04 PM	#16
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Just something to think about. Originally Posted by WVSaint Stecker isnt here for the long term benefit. Bush worked better in 06 splitting carries and catching passes, with Deuce defenses had to account for both. As I said before, nothing against PT, but I'm not 100% sold on him at the moment. IMO, Mendenhall, might be the safest pick at #10. Nothing is for sure, but taking DRC or Rivers at #10 is very questionable at the moment. You didn't answer my question. My question was: exactly what makes you think that Mendenhall is going to do any better than PT or Stecker or Bush? You must think he'll do better than those 3. Otherwise, what's so "safe" about the pick? Answering "the other 3 didn't do so hot" doesn't really say much about Mendenhall.

04-04-2008, 12:20 PM	#17
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Just something to think about. Bundy has it right again. Deuce will have at best 1 season left in the tank. One. Next year we will be picking 32nd, and we won't be able to get Deuce's ultimate replacement. Besides, has any of you considered that RB is the least risky pick you can get when you're drafting this high? The real question is what's in Payton's mind. It doesn't matter what this forum thinks. It’s already been said that Payton loves Mendenhall (no link but he said it) and the pick does secure he legacy as a great offensive guru. (see picture below) Payton wants an offense that creates mismatches and he needs a primary RB/weapon. With this, he and Drew will be able to once again dictate at will. Thomas should be used as the primary backup and if you love Deuce, you should realize that he should retire before he ends up a cripple in 10 years.
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04-04-2008, 12:51 PM	#18
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Just something to think about. Originally Posted by foreverfan Bundy has it right again. Deuce will have at best 1 season left in the tank. One. Next year we will be picking 32nd, and we won't be able to get Deuce's ultimate replacement. Besides, has any of you considered that RB is the least risky pick you can get when you're drafting this high? The real question is what's in Payton's mind. It doesn't matter what this forum thinks. It’s already been said that Payton loves Mendenhall (no link but he said it) and the pick does secure he legacy as a great offensive guru. (see picture below) Payton wants an offense that creates mismatches and he needs a primary RB/weapon. With this, he and Drew will be able to once again dictate at will. Thomas should be used as the primary backup and if you love Deuce, you should realize that he should retire before he ends up a cripple in 10 years. .. but why you want to put PT as a backup? What makes you think that Mendenhall is going to do any better than PT?