Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 162839)

no sir you are wrong, one player does not make a team. Moss did not do that by himself. If memory serves and I think it does the pats brought in 3 new wide outs last year, didn't they???

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 162839)

no sir you are wrong, one player does not make a team. Moss did not do that by himself. If memory serves and I think it does the pats brought in 3 new wide outs last year, didn't they???

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 162831)

I recently read an article on the teams that are doing the best actually trade down not up. That can probably be argued all day also. I think we should stay exactly where we are or trade down, not up. I see no advantage to selling this draft or some of next year for ONE player. Especially because Dorsey scares me in that I continue to hear he is undersized. A lot of players do well in college because lineman are smaller than they are in the nfl and because your other d line members may be that much more dominant over the other teams o-line. Dorsey may be very good in the nfl. He might not to and isn't young already undersized for a true dt. Can we afford 2? I say stay where we are and if anything move back.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 162844)

Hey I must have watched that on tv. It must have been on nfl network or espn.

Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 162855)

Dude....think of the offensive linemen that have come out of the SEC....Kevin Mawae, Alan Faneca, Chris Samuels, Marcus McNeil, and so on. Hell....there's Williams from Vanderbilt this year! This arguement does not carry weight, especially when you take into account that Dorsey was double teamed the majority of the time. They won't be able to do that to him as much in the pros. Think of how much better that makes our defensive line.

Now....you claim that Dorsey is undersized, right? The average offensive lineman in the NFL is 6'4" & 300 lbs. Dorsey is 6'2" & 300 lbs. How is he undersized? Maybe if you wanted a nose tackle for a 3-4 defense, he would be undersized. But...not when you play a 4-3. Sorry...I for one, say go get him. He's the best defensive player in the draft....by far. Why not? One solid DT is better than a bunch of "maybe" players. Again...quality is better than quantity.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 162810)

The logic is this: Dorsey has a significant, documented injury history with multiple problems; while most any player can be injured at any given time, Dorsey's injury history should give pause for concern.

Consider, you would be giving multiple picks up for a guy that has already missed playing time at the collegiate level.

While I appreciate Dorsey's Man-Up Effort to play hurt (probably why he was my favorite LSU player this past season), the fact is...

Once the Big Mo gets in the picture and the "man has made it", most pro players tend to go 'Roger Dorn'...

Money is spent, Picks are Gone, and you have a guy with a lot of potential eating at the buffet bar instead of terrorizing the opposition...

To respond to another inquiry...their is significant value this year in several rounds for DT...

The Saints can draft more than one DT which would give depth at a position that requires heavy rotation for the heavy guys...

The Packers employed this philosophy with great success this past season and it took them to the NFC title game...

I like Dorsey and I hope he has a great NFL career, but giving up picks for one player is a huge risk; as one blogger posted, to paraphrase, if the Saints are truly on the cusp and need depth to spell starters and get through a long season, you need younger players to energize the veteran's play and leadership...

Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan (Post 162833)

Where is this article? If you are the Atlanta Falcons this year, and you do not have high if any expectations for your team this year. You are in rebuilding mode. Then, the best course of action is to trade down to acquire a multitude of picks and fill your team with young players while also not adding much in terms of salaries.

However, if you are a team with high expectations and primed to make a run into the playoffs and at the SuperBowl, then you make the big play acquisitions (Patriots and Randy Moss and Adalius Thomas). You do not trade down and add guys that will complete for playing time. You bring in the guys who are hands down upgrades over what you have at the position and can make the immediate impact to take your team over the top.

Dorsey is undersized if you are looking for a 320lbs anchor who does not so much generate a push as much as holds their ground. Dorsey is a disruptive player who penetrates the line and forces QBs to roll out of the pocket and RBs to make the first cuts before the line of scrimmage, both of which open up the rest of the defense to make plays. Also, one of his strengths is playing with great leverage and as we learned with the Jonathan Sullivan experiment, leverage can often be more important than sheer size. Also, granted the NFL trenches are much different than college trenches, but Dorsey played against top flight offensive lines and large offensive lines in the SEC throughout his career.

Dorsey and Ellis are players who may not put up flashy stats in terms of tackles, sacks, etc but they are the impact players that can singlehandedly elevate the play of the other 10 defensive players around them. One of those players can upgrade an entire defense (Albert Haynesworth). Rivers and McKelvin are top 10 talent (some will debate that) but they can not improve the rest of the defense in the same way that an impact DT can.