|
Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!
SAINTS LOOKING TO TRADE UP WITH RAMS?
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 16, 2008, 7:24 p.m. The conventional wisdom around the NFL is that no team wants to trade into the first few picks in the draft because of the exorbitant salaries and signing bonuses that top picks receive. But one team might be looking to buck that conventional wisdom. Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Saints have made informal inquiries about what it would take to acquire the Rams’ first-round pick, No. 2 overall. The Saints currently own the 10th overall pick, and under the draft trade chart that has been used for the last two decades, the Saints would have to give up a bounty of draft picks to move from No. 10 to No. 2. But some teams are circulating a new trade chart, and on that chart, a trade of the Saints’ first- and second-round picks for the Rams’ first-round pick would appear reasonable, if possibly a little too favorable to the Saints. If the Saints did make the trade, what would they do with the No. 2 pick? Schefter reports that New Orleans wants one of the draft’s top defensive players, likely LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey or Ohio State defensive end Vernon Gholston. If the trade doesn’t go through, the Rams could take Dorsey, Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long or possibly pull a surprise and select Arkansas running back Darren McFadden. YEAH!!! |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Just saw this on NFL Total Access, it's towards the middle of the show. If they use it on Dorsey, I'm all for it. If they move up and get Gholston, I'll be checking out early......
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
At number 2 it has to be Dorsey and no one else. I know it won't be a CB, lol.
I firmly believe if he is the guy then go get him don't wait to see if he falls. You get the player you want, period. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
WOW. Now there is an interesting idea. I would hope that the move would be for Dorsey if we pull it off. I think that Gholston is a freak but think that unless we plan on pulling a trade with Grant or Smith, that would be too much invested in the position. Perhaps they would look at Gholston for a move to LB. They must feel pretty secure with the CB spot if they are going to make a move like this.
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Quote:
Still anything can happen they have to make the deal still. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
This may seem like a steep price, but I am for it.
Dorsey makes a difference in a year that is severely lacking in impact players. We have done well to add depth at LB and CB, so I am not sure who we would take at #40 that is going to come in and play right away anyway. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
my immediate thought was dorsey, my thinking is the same as dberce, if it was anyone else there is no reason they should be talking to the rams, just my opinion.
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Quote:
I am also sick and tired of watching LSU talent go to other teams and see them become NFL legends and we pass on them and suck. Lets get our boys in black and gold for a change, lol. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
I see Will Smith involved in this.
Maybe, our 1st and Will Smith for their #2 pick? We can get some value out of Smith before next season. I'd like to keep our 2nd rounder. We still haven't used last years 1st rounder, so Dorsey Young McCray Grant Fujita Vilma Morgan How's that for a front 7? |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Quote:
Will Smith Charles Grant Glenn Dorsey Bobby McCray Add to that Hollis Thomas Rotating in and staying fresh, Antwan Lake has subbed well at both positions, Young and Clancy to provide to some rotation and Depth and we have a MONSTER OF A D LINE, ONE THAT EATS THE OTHER TEAMS PLAYERS AND THEN EATS THEIR FAMILIES. Then you add in a Healthy Vilma, Fujita being himself, and even if Morgan isn't 100% and you have a GREAT FRONT SEVEN. If McKenzie is doing as well as reported, Gay and Young playing the second and third CB's and we could have a top 8-12 Defense with just drafting Dorsey. If Dorsey is their it changes the way other teams can play or DE's and if we throw Grant inside like I think we will all of a sudden our 1 well above average CB and other ok ones become OH SO MUCH BETTER. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
wow I hope so.
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Dude!
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Look at the finances of it though. Will Smith is probably demanding top DE salary. Getting Dorsey means he will be THE top salary DT in the league.
So, we would have the top payed DT and two of the highest payed DE's in the game. And we have to somehow pay Colston and Evans sometime. I think Smith's value could be used in this trade, heck, throw in Henderson too. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
What is the cap this year? I remember reading somewhere that it will reach $150 million in the final (capped) year of the CBA.
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Personally I don't care about the money. Benson isn't hurting for cash and neither is our CAP. What I do wonder is if Dorsey gets us to the Superbowl. Is it better to add two above average starter to our D or one great one? It's a tough question to answer right now. I love Dorsey so much though and think he would keep blockers off of Vilma. Can you imagine Dorsey and Hollis on Goal Line Defense? Good God!!!!
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Quote:
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
i would rather have rivers with the #10 and DT Laws in round 2 than just get dorsey...
partially because i dont see dorsey of being that much better than rivers...especially not enough to lose out on a starting DT in the 2nd round |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
i would rather have rivers with the #10 and DT Laws in round 2 than just get dorsey...
same here i would rather have Rivers and Laws if he still there. |
RUMORS: Saints Trading Up??
Saints explore trading up in the draft
By Adam Schefter | NFL Network Bill Parcells and the Miami Dolphins have been unable to find a trading partner for the No. 1 pick. But the St. Louis Rams now have options at No. 2. Around the Web The Saints have made inquiries with the Rams about what it would take to go from New Orleans' scheduled 10th overall pick all the way up to St. Louis' at No. 2. Based on the antiquated NFL draft point chart, the Rams pick at No. 2 is worth 2,600 points. The Saints pick at No. 10 is worth 1,300, and their second round pick is worth another 490, meaning New Orleans is going to have to come up with more than its two first-day picks. New Orleans is looking at add a stud defensive player, and it could opt for LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey, a pick that would be enormously popular in that area, or even Ohio State linebacker Vernon Gholston, who would be a terror on the turf in the Superdome. People who have spoken with the Saints insist the talks are not substantiative, more informal, but the fact that one team has pursued moving up is noteworthy. This year, no team has been willing to move up to Miami's spot at No. 1, even New Orleans. The Saints are unwilling to pay what it would take to satisify the Dolphins or the player picked at No. 1. In previous years, teams have declined to move into the top 10 picks. The last time there was any type of blockbuster trade was 2004, when the Chargers and Giants were involved in a trade that featured quarterbacks Philip Rivers and Eli Manning. As interested as the Saints might be in moving up, the Rams are in no rush to relinquish their pick. They recognize that they're going to come away with help for one of their lines -– either Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long or Dorsey. In an upset, the Rams could always opt for the top-rated player on their board -– running back Darren McFadden. But it's up to the Saints -– or any other team that's interested –- to entice the Rams with an offer that is good enough to get them to surrender the No. 2 overall pick. I'm all for us getting Dorsey, but that is WAY to much to give up. Plus we would carry the burdon of the HUGE salary we would have to pay him as a #2 pick. My perfect first round would consist of us dropping back to #19 with the Eagles and getting Lito. Then with the 19th pick I'd take either Jerod Mayo or Dan Conner. We def need an established CB and we could take one in the first round next year and let him develop a little bit before we threw him to the wolves. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
almost all the mock drafts i have seen have the following DTs available at pick #40 and beyond: (all of which, combined with rivers or a top cb, would be much greater value for the saints than just getting dorsey)
4. Trevor Laws Notre Dame 6-03/4 304 5.06 5. Marcus Harrison Arkansas 6-23/4 317 4.98 6. Dre Moore Maryland 6-4 305 4.86 7. Pat Sims Auburn 6-21/8 310 5.11 8. Red Bryant Texas A&M 6-41/8 318 5.04 there are scouting reports for these guys at NFL Draft Countdown - Defensive Tackle Rankings |
Re: RUMORS: Saints Trading Up??
sorry didn't realize it was posted already!!!
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
I think Dorsey has to be the play if thats all is being asked for in the trade. Again, upgrading through the draft is not about the quantity of picks you have but the quality of players you get. Personally, unless you are in rebuilding mode, I am not an advocate of trading down. There is no guarantee that you get two starters with your first and second round pick. If you feel that Dorsey or Ellis or whomever upgrades your defense and helps persaviely at all levels of the defense then that has to be the pick. Dorsey instantly upgrades your line for the obvious reasons. As has been stated, he upgrades your LB core by keeping blockers out of getting to the second level (there is almost always a DT capable of doing this in front of the better LBs in the league), and the pass rush that is generated combined with limiting what was 4 yard runs last year to 1 and 2 yard runs instantly upgrades your secondary. The pressure means covering longer as Euph has said and by being able to more effectively stuff the run, you force offenses into 3rd and longs. I say there are about 5 surefire impact players in this draft and if you can give up a reasonable caliber of picks to get one of those players, then you make the trade. IMO behind Ellis and Dorsey, there is a bigger dropoff than at any other defensive position of need in the draft. If it works, I say you would be crazy not to pull the trigger on the deal.
|
Re: RUMORS: Saints Trading Up??
Let's do it!!!!!!
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
It's going to be Grant who is traded if anyone. I said a while back in a reply to a thread on here about Grant and Smith being worth all the money. I said Grant will be with another team real soon....also posted a thread on here that said it looks more and more like a d tackle first pick....not saying i told you so but we will see soon.I still believe Grant will be gone soon.
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
I think the single most - biggest impact where you will see improvement on that D is getting a player like Dorsey. There are no sure bets that Laws will be available with our second pick in the draft. Heck we can't be sure Rivers will be there at 10 either at this point. Thats 2 gambles... I'll go up and get Dorsey at 2. I think the Saints know this and if Dorsey is the guy to target then you have to get him at 2 because that is perhaps the first 'real' chance he could go in the draft.
While I think Rivers is a good pick at 10 for us and Laws may end up being good in the NFL. You can't go on just the numbers alone. I don't see them improving our D as much as Dorsey can. Don't go by just the numbers of all these players, look at the decision making of these players. Dorsey choosing go to LSU - a National Championship team playing in the best NCAA confrence. He decides to play another year to win a National Championship (again). The odds of that happening and in the SEC is crazy... the fact he made a decision like that and performed and lived up to his expectations says a lot about the guy. Dorsey is a gamer played in the biggest games and some say he single handedly won a lot of those big games. -Sorry I want a winner! GO GET DORSEY. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Quote:
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Wow if we can somehow get Dorsey we are on our way!!!!
|
Re: RUMORS: Saints Trading Up??
yes, but with the new draft chart they are talking about, all it would take is the first and second, in the saints favor......read on..........
SAINTS LOOKING TO TRADE UP WITH RAMS? Posted by Michael David Smith on April 16, 2008, 7:24 p.m. The conventional wisdom around the NFL is that no team wants to trade into the first few picks in the draft because of the exorbitant salaries and signing bonuses that top picks receive. But one team might be looking to buck that conventional wisdom. Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Saints have made informal inquiries about what it would take to acquire the Rams’ first-round pick, No. 2 overall. The Saints currently own the 10th overall pick, and under the draft trade chart that has been used for the last two decades, the Saints would have to give up a bounty of draft picks to move from No. 10 to No. 2. But some teams are circulating a new trade chart, and on that chart, a trade of the Saints’ first- and second-round picks for the Rams’ first-round pick would appear reasonable, if possibly a little too favorable to the Saints. If the Saints did make the trade, what would they do with the No. 2 pick? Schefter reports that New Orleans wants one of the draft’s top defensive players, likely LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey or Ohio State defensive end Vernon Gholston. If the trade doesn’t go through, the Rams could take Dorsey, Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long or possibly pull a surprise and select Arkansas running back Darren McFadden. NEW DRAFT TRADE CHART Posted by Mike Florio on April 15, 2008, 10:04 a.m. 1st Rd 2nd Rd 3rd Rd 4th Rd 5th Rd 6th Rd 7th Rd 1 2,000 33 570 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14.2 2 1,900 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8 3 1,825 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4 4 1,750 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13 5 1,675 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6 6 1,635 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2 7 1,570 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8 8 1,505 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4 9 1,440 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11 10 1,375 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6 11 1,320 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2 12 1,275 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8 13 1,230 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4 14 1,185 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9 15 1,140 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6 16 1,110 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2 17 1,070 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8 18 1,040 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4 19 1,010 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7 20 980 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6 21 945 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2 22 920 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8 23 895 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4 24 870 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5 25 845 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6 26 820 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2 27 795 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8 28 770 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4 29 745 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3 30 720 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6 31 695 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 27.8 191 15 223 2.3 32 670 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27.4 192 14.6 224 2 |
Re: RUMORS: Saints Trading Up??
if in fact the saints are looking at dorsey,
atlanta could still leapfrog them if dorsey is who they are targeting... 04/16...Draft Shake-up?...NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the New Orleans Saints have contacted the St. Louis Rams about a potential trade up into the top five of the NFL Draft...if the Saints make the move, it would be to fill their need at defensive tackle...the Saints would likely take LSU DT Glenn Dorsey. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Quote:
i'll play your game...lets say rivers is not there at #10...we will still get one of the top CBs or we can try to move down...if laws is not available in round 2 there will still be 2-3 DTs that will be able to come in and start or fill in the rotation. so, since dorsey was lucky enough to choose the right school to play for, he is a better player? i could give you a huge list of guys from winning college programs that were crap in the nfl...even guys who were the main reason their teams won national championships. again...your argument just doesn't hold water. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
OK here we go. Look by the time each team picks in the top 10 I guarantee we talked to each on about a trade. So lets talk the Rams.
The old chart has a trade value of 1st and 2nd this year and a 1st in another year. The new chart has a 1st and a 2nd. So lets go between the two. Your right about a player being the difference. Team needs for the rams: OT OLB CB DE OG QB WR Defensive needs all hinge on the rumor that the Rams and Haz want to switch to a 34 defense this year. DE - Grant - Last year we wanted a 1 and a 2 for the guy. Age wise the move makes sense. Grant and 10 for the #2 pick? He does not fit the bill for a 34. Smith does not do it either. But we are talking Haz here. Why weaken a position we are trying to strengthen? CB - would they be that stupid to get a CB from us? Would we be that stupid to do it and loose our 2nd round pick. OLB - sorry same shape as CB. We can ill afford to loose one. Offense QB - LOL WR- Who would we trade? Henderson makes sense for both parties involved. well sort of. (I will try not to bash him here) he could be worth a third? nah a 4th is more like it. There goes 1 and 2 again. Meachem? maybe but that would have been a big investment sitting him for a year to get healthy only to trade him. Colston? He has taken a beaten the past 2 years. I don't think so. OG - sorry we are not deep enough for that move and Evans, I think, is not on the block. So that really leaves us with one position of depth that makes any sense: OT - Now we are talking an area of depth the saints seem happy with. Stinch and Brown are the proven Vets. Stinch makes the most sense for us. Brown on the other hand would make the Trade a swap. He does have the rumor of bumb knees with him. But he is a pro bowler. Forget the rest. They are unproven low round draft choices and have not seen the field. Brown and swapping ones based on the old chart. Stinch and our second rounder based on the new chart. Bushrod is suppose to be the man there in 2009 at LT. Brown makes the most sense. he carries the most value of any of our OT. We could hold onto our second rounder if the value chart is with the new trade chart, the one teams seem to be considering. we may get a lower pick in return also. The rams then could pick the best OT/OG at ten and solve their OL problems within one round and look to the others to address the other side of the ball. This is a big gamble and it all revolves around Bushrod and the remaining OTs on the team. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Quote:
Grant will definitely be around until at least year 4 of the contract. He's not going anywhere. BTW the cap hit is the same reason that Chad Johnson isn't going anywhere either. The Bengals would be better off letting Chad ride the pine for a year and not pay him than to trade him. They have already paid dude $26 million in bonuses in the last three years that would be a cap hit if they traded him. So he can whine until the cows come home, but next year he can play for the Bengals or sit at home. His choice. There is a cost to getting big contract money up front. You have it. But you're stuck. SFIAH |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
This deal bugs me. I'm sure I am in the minority here, but I believe you can't pin the "can't miss" label on Dorsey. Thus, if he can miss - and I guarantee he can miss - then we're giving up too much in what is always a risky decision.
I wasn't all that impressed with him last year and think that maybe he peaked the year before. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Quote:
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Quote:
there are only a handful of guys who are going to come in right away and have an immediate impact.. dorsey is one of them.. i think sed ellis is another who will start from day one... McFadden, the 2 Longs, Maybe Gholston.. but im really not sold on him.. Rivers i like but is moving up draftboards and will likely go to the Pats at 7, or Ravens at 8 if Ryan is gone... anyway, my point is the time for us to win is right now.. we have a really good team and we dont have time to wait around and wait for a corner to develop.. Either of the DTs would come in and start right away.. they are both better then Hollis Thomas and Bryan Young... all the DTs you listed in the 2nd round.. i dont believe any of those guys would start right away and their impact would be minimal at best.. just another mediocre DT in our lineup... we really need a star in the middle.. a force.. none of those guys are that force.. i really dont see why everyone is so high on Laws.. he plays just like bryan young and being a rookie.. he wouldnt be out a guy who is more experienced and who he plays like.... |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Those not "high" on Dorsey must not have watched many LSU games the past 2 seasons. Heres a little refresher: SI.com - NFL Draft 2008
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Heres a wild idea, just throwing it out there...
what if we traded our 2nd rnd pick, 40th overall and will smith for the #2... then draft dorsey, then at 10 we can take Rivers or one of the corners... get us some more depth... maybe take Derrick Harvey..how would u guys feel about that?? |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Quote:
|
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
you guys really under rate Dorsey.
take my 1st/2nd/5th pick for this guy. |
Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Quote:
|
| All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:17 PM. |
Copyright 1997 - 2020 - BlackandGold.com