Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 161910)

I'm going to say this & then I'm going to leave it alone....

Dorsey won a national championship, the Outland award, the Nagurski award, the Lombardi award, & the Lott award. To think that he won all these things while being double teamed & hurt most of the season, surely one would have to see his worth.

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan (Post 161913)

Awww that explains it he's a Hokie fan lol....Now I can Understand that outrage after taking that beat down like they did.

Originally Posted by ScottyRo (Post 161915)

All I was originally trying to express that with so much hype about him every game, I was expecting more production. He averaged 5 or 6 tackles per game last season. You'll have to tell me if that is good b/c I don't know comparatively. Hype goes a long way and I wonder whether he'd have won all of those awards had the team not won the championship. I never said he wasn't a good player at LSU.



Granted, he could very well be the best D player in the draft. That doesn't translate into sure thing. Review the ESPN article about the 50 biggest busts. Many of those were viewed with equal regard BEFORE the draft.



Hahaha! Nice try, but I moved to Virginia two weeks ago from Louisiana ...the Hokies are not my home team. Besides, this has nothing at all to do with what college team I root for as much as it is about my concern of my favorite NFL team making a deal to move up and get him when I believe that every player is a bust risk. So many people on here were writing good things about moving up b/c he is a sure thing that are clearly linked to their love of LSU (and Dorsey) that I wanted to point out that there are concerns about risk here.

My glasses are black & gold and I am not going to ignore the risks just because he helped LSU win a championship.

Originally Posted by ScottyRo (Post 161915)

All I was originally trying to express that with so much hype about him every game, I was expecting more production. He averaged 5 or 6 tackles per game last season. You'll have to tell me if that is good b/c I don't know comparatively. Hype goes a long way and I wonder whether he'd have won all of those awards had the team not won the championship. I never said he wasn't a good player at LSU.



Granted, he could very well be the best D player in the draft. That doesn't translate into sure thing. Review the ESPN article about the 50 biggest busts. Many of those were viewed with equal regard BEFORE the draft.



Hahaha! Nice try, but I moved to Virginia two weeks ago from Louisiana ...the Hokies are not my home team. Besides, this has nothing at all to do with what college team I root for as much as it is about my concern of my favorite NFL team making a deal to move up and get him when I believe that every player is a bust risk. So many people on here were writing good things about moving up b/c he is a sure thing that are clearly linked to their love of LSU (and Dorsey) that I wanted to point out that there are concerns about risk here.

My glasses are black & gold and I am not going to ignore the risks just because he helped LSU win a championship.

Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan (Post 161923)

Keep in my mind that stats are not the only thing to look at. Im sure you have seen the videos and game film available to the public on Dorsey. It is not only the tangibles - the power, the strength, the motor, the burst, the quickness for a man his size, agility, penetration ability, stoutness at the point of attack, leverage, and range. Its also the intangibles that take away much of the bust factor - hard worker, toughness, terrific teammate, smarts, awareness, experience and instincts. Again, its not just the measurables or stats. And I can not stress enough - the thing about Dorsey that makes him so valuable is the ability to make everyone around him better. Think Kevin Williams of Minnesota or Haynesworth in Tennessee. These guys take the players around them and make them better. Dorsey is that type of player.

Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan (Post 161898)

I am also not 100% sold on the strength of our CB and LB situation. But there are two things that still make a possible trade to get Dorsey a HUGE upgrade for our defense. First off, you are not guaranteeing upgrades at all those positions by staying put. Again, you can draft 3 guys at each of those positions but outside of getting Rivers, you likely will not see any of the guys you draft make much of an impact. IMO there are no impact players at DT aside from Dorsey and Ellis. CBs, no matter how good, take time to develop especially in the type of defense that we play. So staying put you get an impact player in Rivers. Rivers versus Dorsey - who makes the rest of your defense better? As Euph stated and has been stated before, the things that an impact DT opens up for the rest of your defense is tremendous. Anyone who has ever played a lick on the defense of any level football team knows the value of having a DT ahead or beside you who must be often accounted for by two lineman each play. I hear the concerns about the money for a #2 instead of a #10, but this is team that is ready to win soon.

Originally Posted by pakowitz (Post 161947)

but its the DTs that keep the olinemen off of them linebackers allowing them to make the plays... DTs do the dirty work.. games are won and lost in the trenches