Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!

CantonLegend · 04-19-2008, 11:26 PM

The saints need to draft the highest player available at 10 and not risk losing their second round pick which may be the player we are looking for.....and/or next years first round pick which will almost certainly be more valuable than ne player in this year's draft!

Euphoria · 04-20-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

The saints need to draft the highest player available at 10 and not risk losing their second round pick which may be the player we are looking for.....and/or next years first round pick which will almost certainly be more valuable than ne player in this year's draft!

Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up???

or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

CantonLegend · 04-20-2008, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up???

or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

Dorseys talent isnt in question....moving up to 2 to get him would cost the saints too much....what we would give up to get him isnt worth it....if he happens to fall it would be well worth it to trade to 7 or 8....but even ellis would be a great pickup at 10.....after watching some clips of him in the national championship game....i just found that a bigger line like OSU or lines in the NFL would be able to block him much easier....even the double teams only consisted of a man-up and another hand from the next lineman....he has great quickness and great hand movements but to sacrifice next years 1st rounder isnt going to be worth it

rjakapeanut · 04-20-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

Dorseys talent isnt in question....moving up to 2 to get him would cost the saints too much....what we would give up to get him isnt worth it....if he happens to fall it would be well worth it to trade to 7 or 8....but even ellis would be a great pickup at 10.....after watching some clips of him in the national championship game....i just found that a bigger line like OSU or lines in the NFL would be able to block him much easier....even the double teams only consisted of a man-up and another hand from the next lineman....he has great quickness and great hand movements but to sacrifice next years 1st rounder isnt going to be worth it

it won't cost us a 1st rounder next year, and TBH, if they asked for our 10th and our 1st next year, I'd STILL do the trade simply because I expect us to atleast win the division and get to the playoffs. if we had a 10th and a 26th overall pick this year, would you trade them both for the #2 overall? I know I would. this is basically the same thing.

Euphoria · 04-20-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by rjakapeanut

it won't cost us a 1st rounder next year, and TBH, if they asked for our 10th and our 1st next year, I'd STILL do the trade simply because I expect us to atleast win the division and get to the playoffs. if we had a 10th and a 26th overall pick this year, would you trade them both for the #2 overall? I know I would. this is basically the same thing.

If you have a chance to get a special player like Dorsey I agree, you take it. The costs are little and worth it. It will shore up our aging DT's for awhile.

Also some people put a lot into drafts but I am begining to think this whole draft thing is over rated. There is always FA now a days to make up for not having enough draft picks. I think if you have a sure thing. GO for it.

FrenzyFan · 04-21-2008, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up???

or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

Let's try to keep a little perspective. Writing off a second round pick as an automatic "average player or backup" is ridiculous. I could spend the time giving examples of guys who went in the second round who were hall of famers. I could also show a bunch of guys who went in much later rounds and who are best-of-the-best at their position and likely hall-of-famers.

There's certainly some risk in moving up, but I can understand the thinking behind it. There are also some good arguments to stand where we are in the draft. Neither idea is one I would consider foolish, when based upon reasoned points.

Euphoria · 04-21-2008, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

Let's try to keep a little perspective. Writing off a second round pick as an automatic "average player or backup" is ridiculous. I could spend the time giving examples of guys who went in the second round who were hall of famers. I could also show a bunch of guys who went in much later rounds and who are best-of-the-best at their position and likely hall-of-famers.

There's certainly some risk in moving up, but I can understand the thinking behind it. There are also some good arguments to stand where we are in the draft. Neither idea is one I would consider foolish, when based upon reasoned points.

This is a week draft class... making picks is a gamble. Now I am ok with staying put and getting Rivers and I don't care who else after that because they aren't a whole lot out there that I like. To much gambling on those picks. I'd give up a 2nd to take my chances with Dorsey. Not only that but take into account that we have some CB's with rings already and the key ingredient we are missning from our CB's getting another ring??? PASS RUSH! Get Dorsey.

04-19-2008, 11:26 PM	#1
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04-20-2008, 11:57 AM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by Euphoria Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up??? or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY! Dorseys talent isnt in question....moving up to 2 to get him would cost the saints too much....what we would give up to get him isnt worth it....if he happens to fall it would be well worth it to trade to 7 or 8....but even ellis would be a great pickup at 10.....after watching some clips of him in the national championship game....i just found that a bigger line like OSU or lines in the NFL would be able to block him much easier....even the double teams only consisted of a man-up and another hand from the next lineman....he has great quickness and great hand movements but to sacrifice next years 1st rounder isnt going to be worth it
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04-20-2008, 02:40 PM	#4
rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend Dorseys talent isnt in question....moving up to 2 to get him would cost the saints too much....what we would give up to get him isnt worth it....if he happens to fall it would be well worth it to trade to 7 or 8....but even ellis would be a great pickup at 10.....after watching some clips of him in the national championship game....i just found that a bigger line like OSU or lines in the NFL would be able to block him much easier....even the double teams only consisted of a man-up and another hand from the next lineman....he has great quickness and great hand movements but to sacrifice next years 1st rounder isnt going to be worth it it won't cost us a 1st rounder next year, and TBH, if they asked for our 10th and our 1st next year, I'd STILL do the trade simply because I expect us to atleast win the division and get to the playoffs. if we had a 10th and a 26th overall pick this year, would you trade them both for the #2 overall? I know I would. this is basically the same thing.
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04-20-2008, 03:39 PM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by rjakapeanut it won't cost us a 1st rounder next year, and TBH, if they asked for our 10th and our 1st next year, I'd STILL do the trade simply because I expect us to atleast win the division and get to the playoffs. if we had a 10th and a 26th overall pick this year, would you trade them both for the #2 overall? I know I would. this is basically the same thing. If you have a chance to get a special player like Dorsey I agree, you take it. The costs are little and worth it. It will shore up our aging DT's for awhile. Also some people put a lot into drafts but I am begining to think this whole draft thing is over rated. There is always FA now a days to make up for not having enough draft picks. I think if you have a sure thing. GO for it.
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04-21-2008, 08:06 AM	#6
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04-20-2008, 10:56 AM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend The saints need to draft the highest player available at 10 and not risk losing their second round pick which may be the player we are looking for.....and/or next years first round pick which will almost certainly be more valuable than ne player in this year's draft! Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up??? or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

04-21-2008, 10:39 AM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by FrenzyFan Let's try to keep a little perspective. Writing off a second round pick as an automatic "average player or backup" is ridiculous. I could spend the time giving examples of guys who went in the second round who were hall of famers. I could also show a bunch of guys who went in much later rounds and who are best-of-the-best at their position and likely hall-of-famers. There's certainly some risk in moving up, but I can understand the thinking behind it. There are also some good arguments to stand where we are in the draft. Neither idea is one I would consider foolish, when based upon reasoned points. This is a week draft class... making picks is a gamble. Now I am ok with staying put and getting Rivers and I don't care who else after that because they aren't a whole lot out there that I like. To much gambling on those picks. I'd give up a 2nd to take my chances with Dorsey. Not only that but take into account that we have some CB's with rings already and the key ingredient we are missning from our CB's getting another ring??? PASS RUSH! Get Dorsey.

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