Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!

Euphoria · 04-20-2008, 12:29 PM

Yes it was... read the other posts.

Why does people thing it will cost us next years pick... read the article. Its only going to cost us this years 2nd rounder. Maybe sweaten the deal with 6 or 7 but the discussion was only for the second rounder!!!
That is a bargin!

BRSaintsFan · 04-21-2008, 08:22 AM

I am also fine making the move or staying put and making the right picks. I hope you are not implying that a 2nd rick pick is a sure thing because for every all-pro, hall of famer, or starter picked that you can name, you can likely name 3 or 4 complete busts or average backup players. I dont think the basis for moving up should be that you will not get any quality in the second round because that is not true. But to have an impact player like Dorsey with the potential to be one of the best IMO is worth losing that 2nd round pick.

jeanpierre · 04-21-2008, 08:43 AM

We should avoid the mistakes of the Chiefs and Raiders where you draft based upon a divisional rival rather than what gets your team to the Big Dance...I like Dorsey, but didn't the trade for Ricky Williams teach mgt and fans a lesson about giving up value picks in R's2-5?!?

BRSaintsFan · 04-21-2008, 09:45 AM

Sure did, but we are not talking about drafting based on a division rival - we are drafting for need and for arguably the best player in the draft. And we are not talking about trading our entire draft for the move. We are giving up 1 pick.

pakowitz · 04-21-2008, 12:52 PM

2. St. Louis Rams, Glenn Dorsey, defensive tackle, LSU

If Jake Long gets selected with the first pick, the Rams will focus their efforts on rebuilding their defensive line. While Rams defensive coordinator Jim Haslett would love to have Dorsey added to his defensive scheme, don’t be surprised to see the Rams get a host of calls about trading down, and in particular from the New Orleans Saints.

The Saints have Dorsey on top of their draft board, and with a huge hole for them at defensive tackle, the LSU All-American is their target guy to trade up for.

10. New Orleans Saints, Keith Rivers, outside linebacker, USC

I am convinced the Saints will move up in the first-round to land either Dorsey or Ellis to solidify their defensive tackle spot, while Rivers would be a good fit player for either New England or St. Louis in a trade down.

Mike D's mock draft of the first round | HoumaToday.com | The Courier | Houma, LA

Euphoria · 04-21-2008, 02:06 PM

Dolphins and Long closer and closer to making deal... Sounds like the Saints - Rams talk to really hear up to make a trade... here comes Dorsey in black and gold!!!

ProFootballTalk.com - FINS, JAKE LONG NEARING A DEAL?

ScottyRo · 04-21-2008, 03:17 PM

I'm not going to say that it isn't going to happen, but geez, man, you're hopes are sky high on this. You're setting yourself up for being not so 'euphoric' on Saturday afternoon.

Euphoria · 04-21-2008, 03:22 PM

don't get me wrong staying put at 10 is ok with me but don't see it doing much good for us. I strongly feel that getting youung blood in the front 7 who are explosive and can create pressure on the QB is the problem. We have to address it with the best players we can get and if it takes moving up to 2 and snagging Dorsey then so be it. We have had the same problem for years and its so easy for people to point the fingers at the CB's and all but the big picture is we give opposing QB's way to much time in the pocket. DT's are aging and slowing down big time. GET A BEAST!

jeanpierre · 04-22-2008, 05:04 AM

An impact DT would be great; but it's more prudent to stay and and keep the early Round 2 pick...

This draft is not as bad as some are saying; the confusion is an argument could be made for several players to be No. 1 coupled with the fact that Parcells has that No. 1 pick...

There are plenty of great players to be had in the midround picks; it's Not your No. 1 pick that gets you to the Big Game, it's those R2-R4 guys...

Just look at the Giants draft last year; they added guys to all parts of their team form all rounds in the draft...

More is better; Saints Scouting just has to step up and add guys they can contribute immedialtely and not be like the Saints of the past who develop players who go on to other teams...

Euphoria · 04-22-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

An impact DT would be great; but it's more prudent to stay and and keep the early Round 2 pick...

This draft is not as bad as some are saying; the confusion is an argument could be made for several players to be No. 1 coupled with the fact that Parcells has that No. 1 pick...

There are plenty of great players to be had in the midround picks; it's Not your No. 1 pick that gets you to the Big Game, it's those R2-R4 guys...

Just look at the Giants draft last year; they added guys to all parts of their team form all rounds in the draft...

More is better; Saints Scouting just has to step up and add guys they can contribute immedialtely and not be like the Saints of the past who develop players who go on to other teams...

More is not better. More picks don't equate into a championship team. Winning makes you a championship team. In order to do that you get impact players who can impact games. We have enough of average, or the R2-R4 players on this team, its time we find some players to make an impact. You don't settle for a bunch of average players... you need some but you need those winner/impact guys along with them. We are lacking in the impact department on D.

R2-R4 will get you 8-8 or 7-9.

04-20-2008, 12:29 PM	#1
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04-21-2008, 08:43 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! We should avoid the mistakes of the Chiefs and Raiders where you draft based upon a divisional rival rather than what gets your team to the Big Dance...I like Dorsey, but didn't the trade for Ricky Williams teach mgt and fans a lesson about giving up value picks in R's2-5?!?

04-21-2008, 09:45 AM	#4
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pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! 2. St. Louis Rams, Glenn Dorsey, defensive tackle, LSU If Jake Long gets selected with the first pick, the Rams will focus their efforts on rebuilding their defensive line. While Rams defensive coordinator Jim Haslett would love to have Dorsey added to his defensive scheme, don’t be surprised to see the Rams get a host of calls about trading down, and in particular from the New Orleans Saints. The Saints have Dorsey on top of their draft board, and with a huge hole for them at defensive tackle, the LSU All-American is their target guy to trade up for. 10. New Orleans Saints, Keith Rivers, outside linebacker, USC I am convinced the Saints will move up in the first-round to land either Dorsey or Ellis to solidify their defensive tackle spot, while Rivers would be a good fit player for either New England or St. Louis in a trade down. Mike D's mock draft of the first round \| HoumaToday.com \| The Courier \| Houma, LA
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04-21-2008, 08:22 AM	#2
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! I am also fine making the move or staying put and making the right picks. I hope you are not implying that a 2nd rick pick is a sure thing because for every all-pro, hall of famer, or starter picked that you can name, you can likely name 3 or 4 complete busts or average backup players. I dont think the basis for moving up should be that you will not get any quality in the second round because that is not true. But to have an impact player like Dorsey with the potential to be one of the best IMO is worth losing that 2nd round pick.

04-21-2008, 03:17 PM	#7
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! I'm not going to say that it isn't going to happen, but geez, man, you're hopes are sky high on this. You're setting yourself up for being not so 'euphoric' on Saturday afternoon.

04-21-2008, 03:22 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! don't get me wrong staying put at 10 is ok with me but don't see it doing much good for us. I strongly feel that getting youung blood in the front 7 who are explosive and can create pressure on the QB is the problem. We have to address it with the best players we can get and if it takes moving up to 2 and snagging Dorsey then so be it. We have had the same problem for years and its so easy for people to point the fingers at the CB's and all but the big picture is we give opposing QB's way to much time in the pocket. DT's are aging and slowing down big time. GET A BEAST!
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04-22-2008, 05:04 AM	#9
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04-22-2008, 10:40 AM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by jeanpierre An impact DT would be great; but it's more prudent to stay and and keep the early Round 2 pick... This draft is not as bad as some are saying; the confusion is an argument could be made for several players to be No. 1 coupled with the fact that Parcells has that No. 1 pick... There are plenty of great players to be had in the midround picks; it's Not your No. 1 pick that gets you to the Big Game, it's those R2-R4 guys... Just look at the Giants draft last year; they added guys to all parts of their team form all rounds in the draft... More is better; Saints Scouting just has to step up and add guys they can contribute immedialtely and not be like the Saints of the past who develop players who go on to other teams... More is not better. More picks don't equate into a championship team. Winning makes you a championship team. In order to do that you get impact players who can impact games. We have enough of average, or the R2-R4 players on this team, its time we find some players to make an impact. You don't settle for a bunch of average players... you need some but you need those winner/impact guys along with them. We are lacking in the impact department on D. R2-R4 will get you 8-8 or 7-9.