Interesting Shockey Article

Tobias-Reiper · 04-18-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I don't think that I've reiterated in a while that any move on the #10 pick that doesn't result in the acquisition of a solid defensive starter is a bad idea. Also any move that trades even a somewhat solid defensive starter (such as Harper) for an offensive player is also a bad idea.

I just feel like jawing a bit today. It almost seems like folks are so interested in acquiring offensive talent so that they can stock their fantasy football teams. "Can you imagine Brees' and Shockey's stats if they play together?"

The Saints have 6 TE. SIX! The team thought well enough of two free agents to resign them. Brees threw for nearly 4500 yards with supposedly crappy tight ends last year.

I really hope all this Shockey stuff is a smoke screen and that the Saints will use their early draft picks for solid defensive talent that will help the defense get off the field.

Just a reminder just in case you hadn't read it in a while.

SFIAH

I agree that the #10 pick HAS to yield defensive talent. No question

... but out of the 6 TEs the Saints have, the best one is Billy Miller. Yes, Billy Miller. So, I would not mind the 2nd round pick going to the Giants for Shockey, unless someone can guarantee me that they'll get Ellis in the first round and Connor in the 2nd round.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-18-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

I agree that the #10 pick HAS to yield defensive talent. No question

Good.

... but out of the 6 TEs the Saints have, the best one is Billy Miller. Yes, Billy Miller.

Actually I agree with this assessment. I think Billy Miller should win the starting job outright. All he seems to do is make plays.

So, I would not mind the 2nd round pick going to the Giants for Shockey, unless someone can guarantee me that they'll get Ellis in the first round and Connor in the 2nd round.

I'd love that guarantee too. But sadly it's probably going to take a move up to #7 or #8 to get Ellis and may require some shuffling of the #2 or #3 pick to pull it off.

So I don't think an Ellis/Connor (or Ellis/Mayo?) would be a lock by any stretch of the imagination.

But the talk sounds like the Saints offense will go kaput if they don't get Shockey. Or Chad Johnson. Thank goodness the Clady chatter finally died.

What this offense needs more than anything else is a defense that supports them and erases their inevitable screwups. A defense that can get scoring in the ballpark of 17 PPG. That defense coupled with the existing healthy offense will most likely be in Tampa come next January.

A TE won't get the Saints to the promised land. A stud DT/LB/CB combo with the existing offense just may be able to pull it off.

SFIAH

04-18-2008, 04:19 PM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Interesting Shockey Article Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper I agree that the #10 pick HAS to yield defensive talent. No question Good. ... but out of the 6 TEs the Saints have, the best one is Billy Miller. Yes, Billy Miller. Actually I agree with this assessment. I think Billy Miller should win the starting job outright. All he seems to do is make plays. So, I would not mind the 2nd round pick going to the Giants for Shockey, unless someone can guarantee me that they'll get Ellis in the first round and Connor in the 2nd round. I'd love that guarantee too. But sadly it's probably going to take a move up to #7 or #8 to get Ellis and may require some shuffling of the #2 or #3 pick to pull it off. So I don't think an Ellis/Connor (or Ellis/Mayo?) would be a lock by any stretch of the imagination. But the talk sounds like the Saints offense will go kaput if they don't get Shockey. Or Chad Johnson. Thank goodness the Clady chatter finally died. What this offense needs more than anything else is a defense that supports them and erases their inevitable screwups. A defense that can get scoring in the ballpark of 17 PPG. That defense coupled with the existing healthy offense will most likely be in Tampa come next January. A TE won't get the Saints to the promised land. A stud DT/LB/CB combo with the existing offense just may be able to pull it off. SFIAH
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04-18-2008, 02:49 PM	#1
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Interesting Shockey Article Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I don't think that I've reiterated in a while that any move on the #10 pick that doesn't result in the acquisition of a solid defensive starter is a bad idea. Also any move that trades even a somewhat solid defensive starter (such as Harper) for an offensive player is also a bad idea. I just feel like jawing a bit today. It almost seems like folks are so interested in acquiring offensive talent so that they can stock their fantasy football teams. "Can you imagine Brees' and Shockey's stats if they play together?" The Saints have 6 TE. SIX! The team thought well enough of two free agents to resign them. Brees threw for nearly 4500 yards with supposedly crappy tight ends last year. I really hope all this Shockey stuff is a smoke screen and that the Saints will use their early draft picks for solid defensive talent that will help the defense get off the field. Just a reminder just in case you hadn't read it in a while. SFIAH I agree that the #10 pick HAS to yield defensive talent. No question ... but out of the 6 TEs the Saints have, the best one is Billy Miller. Yes, Billy Miller. So, I would not mind the 2nd round pick going to the Giants for Shockey, unless someone can guarantee me that they'll get Ellis in the first round and Connor in the 2nd round.