Interesting Shockey Article

foreverfan · 04-18-2008, 11:35 AM

New Era Scouting » Blog Archive » Stretching the Field: One Man Island

These are just some parts of the article.

The enigmatic star has been caused teammates and coaches to pull their hair out since his rookie year, in 2002. Shockey came out early, making comments on the Howard Stern Show about his distaste for the potential of homosexual teammates in the shower. While it was an early sign on his later troubles, much was forgotten due to the promise he showed, winning the Rookie of the Year Award. Throughout the early portion of his career, he was matched up with strong-willed and vocal quarterbacks Kerry Collins, and then Kurt Warner. With the later ascension of quarterback Eli Manning to starter late in the 2004 season, a tumultuous relationship began.

It’s no shock now that the rumors are flowing of a possible Shockey trade. There are strong indications a draft day deal involving the New Orleans second round pick and third-year safety Roman Harper for Shockey will go through, although both teams are denying it at the moment. Shockey has even been rumored to say that he’s looking forward to being on the Saints, and has started to put interest on real estate in the region.

On paper, like most of Shockey’s career, this move makes sense. Sean Payton’s offense would greatly benefit from the presence of a reliable receiving option at tight end. Shockey would draw down a safety for coverage, which would not allow teams to double cover Marcus Colston over the top, or to bracket him. Throughout his career, Shockey has also done a good job of moving the chains in the past, and is a flawless route runner. The Saints red-zone packages would also benefit from the presence of Shockey who would increase their options down in enemy territory, and limit their predictability. Also, quarterback Drew Brees has a high comfort level in his tight ends, and loves to distribute the ball to them. Not since his time in San Diego with Antonio Gates has Brees had such a capable tight end.

pakowitz · 04-18-2008, 11:41 AM

i think its also important to note that shockey had his best season when payton was the offensive co. of the giants

davegriff · 04-18-2008, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

i think its also important to note that shockey had his best season when payton was the offensive co. of the giants

Thats what makes me think we are going to get this done........What do you think?

Champ Kind · 04-18-2008, 12:07 PM

Here's another.
Jeremy Shockey OK with trade talk

foreverfan · 04-18-2008, 12:24 PM

Shockey came out early, making comments on the Howard Stern Show about his distaste for the potential of homosexual teammates in the shower.

Small wienkie???

lynwood · 04-18-2008, 12:36 PM

Shockey came out early, making comments on the Howard Stern Show about his distaste for the potential of homosexual teammates in the shower.

Didn't know they would taste different in the shower.

BRSaintsFan · 04-18-2008, 12:53 PM

Shockey hopefully can mature as he gets a little older and maybe reuniting with Payton will make him a little less of a locker room distraction should the trade happen.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-18-2008, 01:25 PM

I don't think that I've reiterated in a while that any move on the #10 pick that doesn't result in the acquisition of a solid defensive starter is a bad idea. Also any move that trades even a somewhat solid defensive starter (such as Harper) for an offensive player is also a bad idea.

I just feel like jawing a bit today. It almost seems like folks are so interested in acquiring offensive talent so that they can stock their fantasy football teams. "Can you imagine Brees' and Shockey's stats if they play together?"

The Saints have 6 TE. SIX! The team thought well enough of two free agents to resign them. Brees threw for nearly 4500 yards with supposedly crappy tight ends last year.

I really hope all this Shockey stuff is a smoke screen and that the Saints will use their early draft picks for solid defensive talent that will help the defense get off the field.

Just a reminder just in case you hadn't read it in a while.

SFIAH

Tobias-Reiper · 04-18-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I don't think that I've reiterated in a while that any move on the #10 pick that doesn't result in the acquisition of a solid defensive starter is a bad idea. Also any move that trades even a somewhat solid defensive starter (such as Harper) for an offensive player is also a bad idea.

I just feel like jawing a bit today. It almost seems like folks are so interested in acquiring offensive talent so that they can stock their fantasy football teams. "Can you imagine Brees' and Shockey's stats if they play together?"

The Saints have 6 TE. SIX! The team thought well enough of two free agents to resign them. Brees threw for nearly 4500 yards with supposedly crappy tight ends last year.

I really hope all this Shockey stuff is a smoke screen and that the Saints will use their early draft picks for solid defensive talent that will help the defense get off the field.

Just a reminder just in case you hadn't read it in a while.

SFIAH

I agree that the #10 pick HAS to yield defensive talent. No question

... but out of the 6 TEs the Saints have, the best one is Billy Miller. Yes, Billy Miller. So, I would not mind the 2nd round pick going to the Giants for Shockey, unless someone can guarantee me that they'll get Ellis in the first round and Connor in the 2nd round.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-18-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

I agree that the #10 pick HAS to yield defensive talent. No question

Good.

... but out of the 6 TEs the Saints have, the best one is Billy Miller. Yes, Billy Miller.

Actually I agree with this assessment. I think Billy Miller should win the starting job outright. All he seems to do is make plays.

So, I would not mind the 2nd round pick going to the Giants for Shockey, unless someone can guarantee me that they'll get Ellis in the first round and Connor in the 2nd round.

I'd love that guarantee too. But sadly it's probably going to take a move up to #7 or #8 to get Ellis and may require some shuffling of the #2 or #3 pick to pull it off.

So I don't think an Ellis/Connor (or Ellis/Mayo?) would be a lock by any stretch of the imagination.

But the talk sounds like the Saints offense will go kaput if they don't get Shockey. Or Chad Johnson. Thank goodness the Clady chatter finally died.

What this offense needs more than anything else is a defense that supports them and erases their inevitable screwups. A defense that can get scoring in the ballpark of 17 PPG. That defense coupled with the existing healthy offense will most likely be in Tampa come next January.

A TE won't get the Saints to the promised land. A stud DT/LB/CB combo with the existing offense just may be able to pull it off.

SFIAH

04-18-2008, 11:35 AM	#1
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Interesting Shockey Article New Era Scouting » Blog Archive » Stretching the Field: One Man Island These are just some parts of the article. The enigmatic star has been caused teammates and coaches to pull their hair out since his rookie year, in 2002. Shockey came out early, making comments on the Howard Stern Show about his distaste for the potential of homosexual teammates in the shower. While it was an early sign on his later troubles, much was forgotten due to the promise he showed, winning the Rookie of the Year Award. Throughout the early portion of his career, he was matched up with strong-willed and vocal quarterbacks Kerry Collins, and then Kurt Warner. With the later ascension of quarterback Eli Manning to starter late in the 2004 season, a tumultuous relationship began. It’s no shock now that the rumors are flowing of a possible Shockey trade. There are strong indications a draft day deal involving the New Orleans second round pick and third-year safety Roman Harper for Shockey will go through, although both teams are denying it at the moment. Shockey has even been rumored to say that he’s looking forward to being on the Saints, and has started to put interest on real estate in the region. On paper, like most of Shockey’s career, this move makes sense. Sean Payton’s offense would greatly benefit from the presence of a reliable receiving option at tight end. Shockey would draw down a safety for coverage, which would not allow teams to double cover Marcus Colston over the top, or to bracket him. Throughout his career, Shockey has also done a good job of moving the chains in the past, and is a flawless route runner. The Saints red-zone packages would also benefit from the presence of Shockey who would increase their options down in enemy territory, and limit their predictability. Also, quarterback Drew Brees has a high comfort level in his tight ends, and loves to distribute the ball to them. Not since his time in San Diego with Antonio Gates has Brees had such a capable tight end.
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04-18-2008, 12:07 PM	#4
Champ Kind Nachooooooooooo Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Shreveport Posts: 71	Re: Interesting Shockey Article Here's another. Jeremy Shockey OK with trade talk

04-18-2008, 12:24 PM	#5
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Interesting Shockey Article Shockey came out early, making comments on the Howard Stern Show about his distaste for the potential of homosexual teammates in the shower. Small wienkie???

04-18-2008, 12:36 PM	#6
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: Interesting Shockey Article Shockey came out early, making comments on the Howard Stern Show about his distaste for the potential of homosexual teammates in the shower. Didn't know they would taste different in the shower.

04-18-2008, 01:25 PM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Interesting Shockey Article I don't think that I've reiterated in a while that any move on the #10 pick that doesn't result in the acquisition of a solid defensive starter is a bad idea. Also any move that trades even a somewhat solid defensive starter (such as Harper) for an offensive player is also a bad idea. I just feel like jawing a bit today. It almost seems like folks are so interested in acquiring offensive talent so that they can stock their fantasy football teams. "Can you imagine Brees' and Shockey's stats if they play together?" The Saints have 6 TE. SIX! The team thought well enough of two free agents to resign them. Brees threw for nearly 4500 yards with supposedly crappy tight ends last year. I really hope all this Shockey stuff is a smoke screen and that the Saints will use their early draft picks for solid defensive talent that will help the defense get off the field. Just a reminder just in case you hadn't read it in a while. SFIAH
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04-18-2008, 11:41 AM	#2
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Interesting Shockey Article i think its also important to note that shockey had his best season when payton was the offensive co. of the giants

04-18-2008, 11:51 AM	#3
davegriff Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Morning Sun,Ia Posts: 45	Re: Interesting Shockey Article Originally Posted by pakowitz i think its also important to note that shockey had his best season when payton was the offensive co. of the giants Thats what makes me think we are going to get this done........What do you think?

04-18-2008, 12:53 PM	#7
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Interesting Shockey Article Shockey hopefully can mature as he gets a little older and maybe reuniting with Payton will make him a little less of a locker room distraction should the trade happen.

04-18-2008, 02:49 PM	#9
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Interesting Shockey Article Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I don't think that I've reiterated in a while that any move on the #10 pick that doesn't result in the acquisition of a solid defensive starter is a bad idea. Also any move that trades even a somewhat solid defensive starter (such as Harper) for an offensive player is also a bad idea. I just feel like jawing a bit today. It almost seems like folks are so interested in acquiring offensive talent so that they can stock their fantasy football teams. "Can you imagine Brees' and Shockey's stats if they play together?" The Saints have 6 TE. SIX! The team thought well enough of two free agents to resign them. Brees threw for nearly 4500 yards with supposedly crappy tight ends last year. I really hope all this Shockey stuff is a smoke screen and that the Saints will use their early draft picks for solid defensive talent that will help the defense get off the field. Just a reminder just in case you hadn't read it in a while. SFIAH I agree that the #10 pick HAS to yield defensive talent. No question ... but out of the 6 TEs the Saints have, the best one is Billy Miller. Yes, Billy Miller. So, I would not mind the 2nd round pick going to the Giants for Shockey, unless someone can guarantee me that they'll get Ellis in the first round and Connor in the 2nd round.

04-18-2008, 04:19 PM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Interesting Shockey Article Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper I agree that the #10 pick HAS to yield defensive talent. No question Good. ... but out of the 6 TEs the Saints have, the best one is Billy Miller. Yes, Billy Miller. Actually I agree with this assessment. I think Billy Miller should win the starting job outright. All he seems to do is make plays. So, I would not mind the 2nd round pick going to the Giants for Shockey, unless someone can guarantee me that they'll get Ellis in the first round and Connor in the 2nd round. I'd love that guarantee too. But sadly it's probably going to take a move up to #7 or #8 to get Ellis and may require some shuffling of the #2 or #3 pick to pull it off. So I don't think an Ellis/Connor (or Ellis/Mayo?) would be a lock by any stretch of the imagination. But the talk sounds like the Saints offense will go kaput if they don't get Shockey. Or Chad Johnson. Thank goodness the Clady chatter finally died. What this offense needs more than anything else is a defense that supports them and erases their inevitable screwups. A defense that can get scoring in the ballpark of 17 PPG. That defense coupled with the existing healthy offense will most likely be in Tampa come next January. A TE won't get the Saints to the promised land. A stud DT/LB/CB combo with the existing offense just may be able to pull it off. SFIAH
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