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Vick is down for the count with a broken leg, couldn't happen to a better team. Damn the bad luck.

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I\'m sorry to hear that. He\'s an exciting player and fun to watch. Sure I want the Saints to win, but I want to beat their BEST. What good does it do for a team to beat the best team but they only play their 2nd string players?

Plus, I don\'t want anyone to be hurt like that.

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i say screw him, if he know how to play quarterback then he wouldn\'t have gotten hurt

remember quarterbacks are supposed to throw the ball

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i agree...screw Vick. You think Falcon fans would cry and moan if Deuce or Stallworth or Horn got hurt? Hell no. Learn how to adapt to the NFL Vick or you wont go far

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So, should Brooks not run?

What about, Tarkenton, Staubauch, Young? You don\'t think most teams would kill to get those guys? comon. Be real Brooks, while not as mobile as Vick, give us an added dimension that teams like Denver, Miami and others would love to have.

Besides, based on the picture, he WAS playing QB and trying to avoid a sack...unsuccessfully aparently.

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This just goes to show you that luck DOES play a role in the NFL. Even though it is really ****ty luck for the Falcons that Vick got hurt, you gotta say that it\'s good luck on the SAINTS part.

Sorry a great player went down, but better Vick than Brooks.

Go SAINTS!!!!!

David in Houston

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Luck? or perhaps an omen for things to come?

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After the way Saints fans were treated at Atlanta last year I don\'t feel a bit sorry for them. That owner has pissed everyone in this league off with the way he has shut out companies from other cities from buying tickets for the Atlanta games. He made the security guards change to black and red uniforms just because the standard yellow and black might be mistaken for Saints fans. We were treated by having things thrown at us the entire game, one of our friends was assaulted after the game walking back to his car, and this has all started to take place with Michael \"I am God\" Vick and the fans forgeting where they were before he got there. And now? That\'s right, stick in your a** Atlanta!

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he was not trying to avoid a sack

watch it again, there is a little pressure from the outside so he steps up in the pocket where the blocking is still holding up but then he sees a lane to his right and takes off

granted you can\'t see the coverage downfield but i\'m sure someone was open after that amount of time, he didn\'t even look

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Why does everyone keep talking about how a QB can\'t run around like that and not expect to get hurt? Of course he can. Vick is 6-0, 215. Throw 10 pounds on him and he\'s bigger than the average starting runningback in the NFL. Barry Sanders was MUCH smaller and made the same kinds of moves and if he hadn\'t retired we\'d all be saying Emmitt who right now.

Shaun Alexander 5-11 225
Tiki Barber 5-10 200
Michael Bennet 5-9 209
Trung Candidate 5-11 205
Corey Dillion 6-1 225
Warrick Dunn 5-9 180
Kevin Faulk 5-8 202
Marshall Faulk 5-10 211
Olandis Gary 5-11 218
Garrison Hearst 5-11 215
Travis Henry 5-9 215
Priest Holmes 5-9 213
Edgerrin James 6-0 214
Curtis Martin 5-11 205
Deuce McAllister 6-1 221
Michael Pitman 6-0 218
Clinton Portis 5-11 205
Emmitt Smith 5-10 221
LaDainian Tomlinosn 5-10 221

Almost all of your Pro Bowl caliber runningbacks are in that list and you\'ll see there really isn\'t a guy much more than 5-7 pound heavier than Vick. If these guys can carry the ball 30 times a game, why can\'t Vick? It was a freak accident. He got hurt just the same as Priest Holmes got hurt... and Holmes got hurt much worse and is only 5-9 213. Where were you guys last year when he got hurt? Why didn\'t I hear then that Priest just couldn\'t expect to run like that and not get hurt?

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Whodat, I should have known you\'d be the guy rushing to Vick\'s defense. Bottom line is EVERYone knew Vick was gonna get hurt if he continued to try and play a college game in the NFL (compensating for his lack of an understanding of an NFL passing game), and Whodat, you must be the ONLY person on the planet that thought otherwise. The proof was carted off the field last night. It wasn\'t a matter of \"if\" it would happen, it was a simple matter of when.

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the differance between your list of RB\'s and vick is THEY ARE RB\'S!!!!!!!!!!!!

they know how to run the ball (ie not in one hand dangling aorund like vick), they know how to avoid and/or take hits (i\'ve never seen vick slide), they rely on their experience to know their limits, they are running plays designed for the run (ie THEY HAVE BLOCKERS)

those guys are running backs because of their talent at the position not their size, no one said vick didn\'t have the physical attributes to run, he doesn\'t have the experience to run that much, physical gifts are great but if you don\'t have some knowledge to go with it.......

YOU GET YOUR FREAKIN LEG BROKE AND LAUGHED AT BY PEOPLE SAYING I TOLD YOU SO

[Edited on 17/8/2003 by rusta]

[Edited on 17/8/2003 by rusta]

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I for one am never happy to see any player injured. And as far as Vick is concerned, I was looking forward to the challenge of the Saints trying to stop him.

Given his injury, the Saints may still have that opportunity. So before some of us get too giddy about this situation, consider:

- Vick has a broken Fibula. Prognosis is that he will be out 6-8 weeks.
- Given this is only week 2 of pre-season, that would mean best case scenario Vick is back on Sept. 28; worst case, Oct. 12.
- Even if we allow nine weeks (much worse scenario), guess who his first game will be against ---- Yes, our beloved Saints on Oct. 19.
- If we face him on Oct. 19, he may be somewhat rusty. However, there is a good likelihood that he will be back to full speed when we play Atlanta the 2nd time on Nov. 16.

So unless Vick\'s injury turns out to be much worse than 1st reported, the Saints will still have to face him twice.

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As a Saints fan, I worry about injuries to the Saints, not the Falcons. I\'m not happy that Vick is hurt, but i\'m not sad either. I am happy that Vicks injury is not career threatening and next year he should be back to running the ball as good as usual. But this year he will not be the same Mike Vick. His running ability will not be the same. So however you feel about the injury to Vick, this is good for the Saints. Period.

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No matter when he comes back he won\'t be the same for a while. Mentally he\'ll be protecting his leg even if it is subconsiously. He will be told and coached to avoid the unnecessary risk of running out of the pocket which is his biggest asset. As far as the assumption of adding 10lbs. to him and he\'s a running back is complete bs! When you train to be a running back you have a certain form and it becomes part of you to reach this level of play. When you\'re a QB you run unprotected in a slanting style to gain a few extra yards or to avoid a sack. Two VERY different styles with two VERY different results. But beware, we always seem to struggle with back-up quarterbacks!

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I hope Vick will be back for the Saints game. I want the Saints to kill Vick, not some second string guy.

[Edited on 18/8/2003 by TomGreen]

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Here is another angle to the Vick injury , surprisingly not mentioned here yet .

In watching game after game one thing was becoming totally clear , the N.F.L. had made Vick some premadonna poster child for future football stars . The referees had begun calling games with a favoritism towards Vick . Without Vick putting on his little shows of cutback running , games will be called more evenly now when playing the Falcons .

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Dude, are you on crack? Are you comparing Vick to other NFL running backs? Big difference....name me some RB\'s that can THROW the ball?

That is why Vick needs to stay in the pocket and stop running all around the field like a jackass.

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Glorifying his misfortune is bad Karma.

But considering how Vick led Falcons own the Saints I understand the frustration. As a Buc fan I actually rather he be in there when we play him, the Bucs D is in his head and he can\'t do squat. Doug Johnson probably has a better chance.

I just broke my Fibula 2 months ago. It\'s no biggie. Small non-weight bearing bone in lowewr leg. Heals up quick. The Bucs O-lineman Kerry Jenkins played with a fractured fibula. Vick will be back in time to play both games against your Saints so I wouldn\'t get too excited.

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So Vick is a QB and therefore doesn\'t know how to run huh? Name me a QB in recent history that ran for more yards in a season then Vick did last year.

I seem to remember everyone saying the SAME thing about Cunningham when he was an Eagle. People said Barry Sanders would get killed. \"You can\'t be that little and make those kinds of moves....\"

What you guys don\'t understand is that when Vick leaves the pocket he\'s usually facing players in the secondary - guys his size - or linebackers. I just don\'t understand it. We know Vick can run. Are you telling me if they changed him to runningback and let him carry the ball up the middle or off tackle 30 times he\'d be OK b/c then he\'d be a runningback? Or are you going to say that he \"doesn\'t know how to run like a runningback\"???

Bottom line - it\'s harder to be a QB than a runningback. Vick can run like a runningback but a runningback can\'t throw like he can. Sure I knew he\'d get hurt sooner or later, but that doesn\'t mean that he\'s going to stop running or that he should. Deuce got hurt, should he stop? What about Holmes? Edgerrin? Name a big time player who touches the ball 30 times a game who hasn\'t been hurt in his career.

Peyton Manning broke his jaw standing in the pocket - should he start running? B/c standing back there he\'s nothing but a target, right? Every quarterback is a target. Vick will end up just like Elway, or Young - one of the best scrambling quarterback\'s in history. That\'s his type of play and he won\'t and shouldn\'t stop doing that.

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I guess I mostly agree with WhoDat on this one. Even if he hasn\'t learned to run like a RB, he normally won\'t have to run straight against a defensive lineman. He has the size to sustain a collision with a LB, his feet are what makes him special. A blindside hit by a defensive end is more likely to get him injured than a tackle by a safety.
On the other hand the five times he scambles with the ball in a game instead of throwing it away are five more opportunities to get hurt. With a normal QB you don\'t want him to take that chance for the extra 2 yards. But if it\'s an extra 10 or 15 yards things look different.
Is there a higher probability he will get hurt when he runs the ball because he doesn\'t have the technique? Yes. Does that mean he should become a pocket passer? No. This would take away his advantage.
He will continue to cut through defenses and, yes, he will probably get hurt again. But his scrambling gives the Falcons the best chance to win, if he plays it save he will just be ordinary.

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Once again you come here not knowing what you\'re talking about. The fibula is a non-weight bearing bone but there are different kinds of breaks and depending on if it needs screws to heal properly it could be more serious that you make it sound. At the very least it\'s 6 weeks worth of serious to Vick and the falcons.

And I don\'t blame you for not worring about the Falcons since all your time is consumed with the Brook\'s led Saints who own the Bucs.

[Edited on 18/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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Billy,

Calm down there sparky. I do know what I\'m talking about. I didn\'t say he\'d make the opener just said it won\'t be a lingering injury, it will heal up. And as far as worrying about the Saints, it pales in comparison to you worrying about the Falcons, remember the Bucs lost both games close and it could have gone either way and it was just a bump in the learning curve to our eventual championship. Saints won\'t squeek by next time.

You have not played the Champs yet and by the looks of your starting unit (not scoring a TD yet in the pre-season) it looks like the gelled Bucs O will outscore the Saints O this next meeting between us. Lucky for you the Bucs and Saints don\'t play till November, that way you have almost three months to ride the coatails of last years sweep before it ends :D

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Batwood,

I suggest you go to the Falcons site and read up on exactly how serious the injury COULD be before you start speculating on how minor it is and how quick it\'s going to heal. Batwood M.D. you are not!!

Unlike some, I enjoy rival fans that come to this site, but Batwood you got to come with more than the weak stuff about how the gelled Bucs O is going to outscore our offense. We know we can beat the Bucs.

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If the Falcons start the season 0-4 then I\'m very pleased. I will never wish for a guy to get injured but I do wish for our divisional opponents to sh!t the bed.

Walter Payton

My take on Vick....Any player who gets tackled while carrying the ball has an equal chance to get hurt. Those who get tackled more often will obviously be more prepared in what to do to reduce the impact. Also, when a RB gets hit, he is usually in a much different position at the time of impact than a QB. The often awkward positions that a QB can be in will only increase the possibility of injury since they aren\'t in a protected stance. Sure Vick has more opportunity for injury because he chooses to carry the ball more often than the average QB. He is also built better than the average QB and should take a hit better. To compare him to a Steve Young or Doug Flutie with little size, they have a more advanced \"spidey sense\" that tells them when to bail out, throw it away, or duck out of bounds. Vick is learning that every play doesn\'t need to go the distance.

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Well, considering the fact that it is reported as a clean break that won\'t need surgery, it seems like he did know what he was talking about. See, he was talking about Mike Vick\'s break, and not the hypothetical one you made up so you can say he is wrong.

But, I just heard there might be some ligament damage. They won\'t know for about 10 days or so... If there is, he is out for the season.

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At least try to get your facts straight before trying to prove someone wrong.

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Sports writers are even saying it was good for the Saints . Players going down are just part of the game .....

Time for Plan B
SI.com\'s Don Banks
So much for Falcons Fever.

With Mike Vick\'s broken fibula Saturday night against Baltimore, this season\'s NFC playoff picture just got considerably less predictable. The big winner at first glance? That would be the New Orleans Saints, one of the Falcons\' biggest rivals in the NFC South.

Last season, the Falcons beat the Saints twice, which proved to be the difference between Atlanta making the playoffs at 9-6-1 and New Orleans missing out at 9-7. With Tampa Bay still the favorite to defend their NFC South title, the Falcons and Saints figured to again battle it out for one of the conference\'s two wild-card spots.

They still might, but without Vick, the man whom the Falcons\' entire franchise resurgence is built around, the advantage has to shift to New Orleans -- at least in the season\'s first half.

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What I said is the injury COULD be more serious than Batwood is trying to make is sound. If you read the injury update Memnoch you will see what I\'m saying is true and how very wrong you are!!




VICK INJURY UPDATE: SUNDAY, AUGUST 17

Falcons Team Doctor Andrew Bishop said Sunday that Mike Vick\'s fractured fibula injury was externally rotational in nature, and did not involve any rolling of the ankle joint. He believes there was minimal ligment damage, but the next 10-14 days will be critical. He will monitor Mike\'s progress over the next 10-14 days by taking X-rays. If the X-rays show two of the bones in Mike\'s right ankle migrating laterally, then that indicates the ligaments have been damaged to the point where they cannot hold the fibula in the proper position to promote perfect healing. If this is the case, then further measures, such as screws, etc. would need to be taken to promote healing. Right now, Mike\'s bones are in perfect position for normal healing.

Mike will be put in a cast this week, and his progress - as mentioned - will be monitored via X-rays for the next 10-14 days.

Should the bones continue to stay aligned, the average length of time for normal bone-healing for this injury is about six weeks. Mike would eventually transition to a walking cast and begin rehabilitation with the team trainers.

Bishop cautioned that should the bones stay aligned and heal in six weeks, this does not guarantee that Mike will be playing football in six weeks. But he also said the possibility of Mike playing in six weeks does exist. The next 10-14 days will help further clarify the injury.

Bishop does not see leg atrophy as an issue if Mike is immobilized for a period of 6 weeks. Bishop said Vick will recover 100 percent from this injury. Bishop also mentioned that the FieldTurf surface was not a factor in this injury - this injury happens on grass, artificial turf, and FieldTurf.

The following is a text transcript of some of the key points of Sunday\'s briefing on Vick\'s injury:

Dr. Andrew Bishop: “The ankle is made up of three bones, basically the talus, the tibia and fibula. The bone that Mike broke was the fibula. What happens is external rotation injury of the foot basically gets planted and the foot rotates out. We can’t tell exactly how much damage there was to the ligament. We think it is minimal because the break is very clean, it is not displaced at all and the bones are perfectly lined up. If there was substantial ligament damage then the talus and the fibula would shift over laterally and that would require a surgical intervention. We don’t know for certain – no MRI or test will tell you – how much damage there is (in the ligaments). If there is significant damage then we would expect the two bones in the next 10 days to two weeks to migrate laterally. We will follow this very carefully and very closely to be sure that doesn’t happen. If it does then it would change our treatment plan. It would require surgery. I don’t think that is going to happen, but we don’t know. Only time will tell. The plan right now is to simply treat him with a cast, follow it along with X-rays, at the appropriate time place him in a removable-type cast and then start some rehab. Typically it takes six weeks for a bone to heal; uncomplicated bone healing is about six weeks. That just means the bone is healed, it does not necessarily mean that everything else is like it should be. We don’t know. It maybe as little as six weeks that he will be back playing football full speed, but we don’t know. We’ll just have to wait and see.�

Q: How will you be able to monitor how much damage there is?
Dr. Andrew Bishop: “Just watch the X-rays. If it does not move then that means that the ligaments are holding everything together.�

Q: What if there is surgery?
Dr. Andrew Bishop: “There is no reason to speculate. If it happens then we will address it at that time, but there is no reason to speculate right now.�

Q: If there is surgery will it mean longer than six weeks?
Dr. Andrew Bishop: “We’ll cross that bridge when we get to it. Right now I don’t expect that to be the case. It could happen, but it just depends on a lot of things.�

Q: Once he goes through the healing process and rehab, is it accurate to say that he will come back at 100 percent?
Dr. Andrew Bishop: “Absolutely. He will be absolutely 100 percent.�

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I had a clean break of my right fibula at the head, where the ligaments attach. I didn\'t even need a cast (knee brace only) and it healed up easily and no ligamnet damage and no sugery. THAT is what I was basing my opinion on since his injury was similar (clean break, no surgery, no ligament damage)

Sure something else COULD happen but I was speaking from experience with a similar break. Billy on the other hand was speculating hypothetical situations, from NO experience. Neither of us are Doctors but Billy was the one coming in with the smug remarks that I didn\'t know what I was talking about when it is obvious he is just reading stuff and never had the experience like I had.

and his other post confirms what I said initially by the doctors quote: \"Dr. Andrew Bishop: “Absolutely. He will be absolutely 100 percent.� \"

Looks like my opinion was not too far off ;)

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Read the above and show me where I\'m wrong. Your injury has nothing to do with Vicks injury and Dr. Andrew Bishop says he doesn\'t know if Vicks injury will require surgery.

The only thing I said was it could be more serious than your making it sound and that\'s a true statement. The only one who is speculating is you by saying it\'s a for sure thing it will be only 6-weeks before he is completely healed.





[Edited on 18/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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Ooh, there could be ligament damage? Gee, I didn\'t know that. Oh, no, wait... I did know that. In fact I mentioned it in my first post.

But, that is all after the fact. The break was what Batwood was talking about. It was reported as a clean break, and your reply was that it might not be a clean break and might need screws. Wow, more mindless arguing and namecalling just for the sake of aggression from Billy. Surprise Surprise. [That was sarcasm, if you didn\'t pick it up. I\'m not really surprised.]

So \"it could be\" is 100% accurate? This is a sports message board, not a court of law. No one is sworn in. No one HAS to be 100% accurate (Which is a damn lucky thing for you).

Are you really so conceited that you think that everyone here will automatically accept Batwood\'s appraisal of the situation? Oh, Batwood will have us all hoodwinked, and it is up to Billy to save us all. With his 100% accurate \"mabyes\" to prove everyone wrong coupled with manners so bad he makes an ogre look plesant (And a big red cape that looks oh so gay) SuperBilly is off to rescue the members from misinformation.

Gee thanks, I feel so safe with you around. Twit.

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Oh, cut me to the bone. That little insult has only been used by angst-filled pubescents on the internet about 15 billion times... in the last 24 hours. Next time your stumped for a response try \"I\'m rubber and your glue.\" It is just as unoriginal, but atleast it is a classic.

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LOL! So I see your a wee bit on to his tactics here. :)

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Billy - do you always resport to calling someone gay when he proves you wrong? That shows immaturity and draws into question every other post you make. Here\'s a hint - when you\'re wrong, you\'re wrong. Admit it!

Regardless of anyone on this board tells you, they\'ve all been wrong before... except me of course ;) ... don\'t be childish.

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WhoDat,

The fact is I\'m not wrong and I can readily admit I have been wrong in the past but I got a Daddy and you ain\'t him so I will post what I want when I want to. You go back and read some of your own posts before talking about mine.

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And for all of you that didn\'t take the time to read what the doctor said look at the quote above and it says exactly what I\'m saying. It says they will not know for sure for another 10-14 days how severe the injury is. Which is exactly what I told Batwood. It is not a given that Vick will be back in 6-weeks. You guys are incrediable.

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And here\'s a little something for you to think on. I will edit whatever and whenever I feel like it. Especially when someone knows better than attacking another member. Stop this childishness.

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You know JoeSam I understand edits are necessary sometimes and I hope you understand what it is I am about to tell you.

This jerk-off comes and makes some kind of remark about me being gay and calls me a twit when I said nothing to provoke him. Now, I know you can read so I\'m sure you saw it. So, don\'t try to come across as some kind of defender of people who have been wrongfully attacked, because that would be ME!! But, if this makes you feel like your doing your job- then you have issues with me and not with what is really being said on this board.

I also know you will never admit the truth but if anyone wants to know the truth about what was really said all they have to do is go back and read this thread and see the truth for themselves and see what your saying is all LIES!!



[Edited on 19/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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:casstet: I wish no player injured. Vick is Brooks\' cousin and I am sure that he is not pleased by the news. Vick is an exciting player and it hurts the league to have him injured. I feel sorry for anyone who is happy that someone has gotten a broken leg.

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Billy, It never ceases to amaze me how when you read something you post it says one thing yet when it\'s read by others it says something else. I promise you don\'t want to pick a fight with me and you damn well better not start belitteling me. I have tried for a long time to be easy one you because you said I was picking on you. Well you have opened that can of worms one too many times. Back off me and other members! Plain and simple if you don\'t like the way other members treat you you have two options.

1. Change the way you interact with other members. You know what they say about crazy people. \" It\'s not me thats crazy, it\'s all the rest of you people.\"

2. Go somewhere else and cry to them.

End of frigin story!