saintsfan1976

Harper needs experience. I think he'll have a great year.
KK needs to be the starter.
MM needs to get 100%.
David needs to be a nickel.
Our DE's could both loose 20lbs.

Euphoria

Heres another great example our DT's made lots of tackles... so they are great or good enough right? NO. It was obvious they couldn't explode or get to the QB. So one of them is losing their job and in comes Ellis.

You have to look at the play on the field and not go by whatever stats you want to look at. Just because someone makes a INT you have to evaluate how it was made. Was it the WR's fault? Was it the QB's? Did the saftey got lucky?

JKool

What you see on the field helps you to interpret the stats. I still agree.

I haven't thought much about our DTs. I might be willing to say they were passable, if there was sufficient evidence. However, I am inclined to agree with you that they weren't making big plays (even if they were making tackles).

Like I said, I am willing to take "what people saw" and "what I saw" as evidence. But, just like the stats, "seeings" are colored by perspective, theory, and other beliefs.

The stats tell a slightly different story from "our Safeties suck." That doesn't mean they don't - it is just evidence that they don't.

Finally, I think that it is difficult to determine if some player sucks - I think the claim about David is a prime example. One person can look very bad, if other players aren't doing what they're supposed to. Further, players can be made to look bad because of play calling, the skill of other players, and so on.

I, further, agree with you that a simple stat is difficult to interpret (such as an interception) without context. That is why we look at season stats - sure some of them can be explained away (for example it is the WRs fault), but it is difficult to explain away a regularity (like the QB threw 30 picks that season - they can't all be the fault of others).

Finally, I still maintain we need better Safeties or better play from the Safeties we have. They are by no means great.

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

LordOfEntropy

Damn Ice, you flew all the way down to Seattle to see that game? You're a FAN! I'm glad you got to see a resounding victory at that game. We were 0-4 going into it, dead by everyones evaluation, and the Hawks were favored by about 1000 points going into that game. Then lo and behold, Reggie has three runs that are all the longest of his career at that point, and we proceeded to beat the pants off those water birds.

Congrats on being at that game!

iceshack149

It was euphoric. I say that because Euph and I had been posting back and forth about this game for awhile. He was disgusted with the Saints 0-4 record and how the Saints got there and I was stubborn and hoped for the best.
It was a great game. I spent $$$ to be there and the Seattle fans were mouthy before the game. Drew and the rest of the team shut them up and I looked at all the big mouths that made noise before the game. They were quiet and I was beaming. Good times.

hagan714

It doesn't get any better than this. Priceless