Saftey Help

Euphoria · 04-29-2008, 06:38 PM

Heres another great example our DT's made lots of tackles... so they are great or good enough right? NO. It was obvious they couldn't explode or get to the QB. So one of them is losing their job and in comes Ellis.

You have to look at the play on the field and not go by whatever stats you want to look at. Just because someone makes a INT you have to evaluate how it was made. Was it the WR's fault? Was it the QB's? Did the saftey got lucky?

saintsfan1976 · 04-29-2008, 06:34 PM

Harper needs experience. I think he'll have a great year.
KK needs to be the starter.
MM needs to get 100%.
David needs to be a nickel.
Our DE's could both loose 20lbs.

JKool · 04-29-2008, 07:33 PM

What you see on the field helps you to interpret the stats. I still agree.

I haven't thought much about our DTs. I might be willing to say they were passable, if there was sufficient evidence. However, I am inclined to agree with you that they weren't making big plays (even if they were making tackles).

Like I said, I am willing to take "what people saw" and "what I saw" as evidence. But, just like the stats, "seeings" are colored by perspective, theory, and other beliefs.

The stats tell a slightly different story from "our Safeties suck." That doesn't mean they don't - it is just evidence that they don't.

Finally, I think that it is difficult to determine if some player sucks - I think the claim about David is a prime example. One person can look very bad, if other players aren't doing what they're supposed to. Further, players can be made to look bad because of play calling, the skill of other players, and so on.

I, further, agree with you that a simple stat is difficult to interpret (such as an interception) without context. That is why we look at season stats - sure some of them can be explained away (for example it is the WRs fault), but it is difficult to explain away a regularity (like the QB threw 30 picks that season - they can't all be the fault of others).

Finally, I still maintain we need better Safeties or better play from the Safeties we have. They are by no means great.

04-29-2008, 06:38 PM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saftey Help Heres another great example our DT's made lots of tackles... so they are great or good enough right? NO. It was obvious they couldn't explode or get to the QB. So one of them is losing their job and in comes Ellis. You have to look at the play on the field and not go by whatever stats you want to look at. Just because someone makes a INT you have to evaluate how it was made. Was it the WR's fault? Was it the QB's? Did the saftey got lucky?
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04-29-2008, 06:34 PM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saftey Help Harper needs experience. I think he'll have a great year. KK needs to be the starter. MM needs to get 100%. David needs to be a nickel. Our DE's could both loose 20lbs.

04-29-2008, 07:33 PM	#3
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: Saftey Help What you see on the field helps you to interpret the stats. I still agree. I haven't thought much about our DTs. I might be willing to say they were passable, if there was sufficient evidence. However, I am inclined to agree with you that they weren't making big plays (even if they were making tackles). Like I said, I am willing to take "what people saw" and "what I saw" as evidence. But, just like the stats, "seeings" are colored by perspective, theory, and other beliefs. The stats tell a slightly different story from "our Safeties suck." That doesn't mean they don't - it is just evidence that they don't. Finally, I think that it is difficult to determine if some player sucks - I think the claim about David is a prime example. One person can look very bad, if other players aren't doing what they're supposed to. Further, players can be made to look bad because of play calling, the skill of other players, and so on. I, further, agree with you that a simple stat is difficult to interpret (such as an interception) without context. That is why we look at season stats - sure some of them can be explained away (for example it is the WRs fault), but it is difficult to explain away a regularity (like the QB threw 30 picks that season - they can't all be the fault of others). Finally, I still maintain we need better Safeties or better play from the Safeties we have. They are by no means great.
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