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ok so they had 74 catches.. but does anyone really think that they are a threat? do you think the DC of our opponents gameplan to stop johnson and miller? does anyone here think they have done anything of real significance on the offensive side of the ball?

i dont..

Re: payton wants shockey...................
 

Oh stop that crap right there buddy...

I think we learned our lessong about offenes, offense, offense. Doesn't freakin' matter if we score 35 a game if we let them score 40 a game... we still lose.

PAY ATTENTION TO THE PAST SB winners... it wasn't the best offense in NFL history that one it last year was it - NO. It was a get to the QB D, who worked over the Pats. They year before that, pass rush of the Colts.

Everyone is losing their minds now of the Shockey.

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everyone is acting like we havent improved our defense which is far from the truth.. we have improved every single level of defense from the line to LBs to secondary.. adding several quality players at each level and 1 Probowl MLB which will easily improve our defense... and not to mention that we have plenty of depth now at every position except for safety..

Re: payton wants shockey...................
 

I can't argue Shockey will be a benefit on any NFL team on the field. In the locker room, question marks. The asking price is to much for a head case. THATS WHY EVEN SEAN hasn't given in to their demands. Give up a 2nd - NO, a first -NO. A fourth and that is it. Its time to move on unless the Giants want to be real about it.

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...and it was done by FA, and using draft picks in the draft! Instead of spending the picks on Shockey.

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And the Saints are a pass first team that needs to strengthen it's run game. A blocking TE gets no love but they are just as important as a receiving TE and I think that the Saints have both in Johnson and Campbell, if Campbell can return from his injury. And Billy Miller seems to do well in a back up role.

74 receptions doesn't necessarily deem them as threats but as players that command attention.

Oh well. I say we all dig our heels in, as we've been doing, and see who can get the other guy to understand where he's coming from and get him to change his mind. I'm skeptical but it may happen.

Get comfortable with Shockey being a a thread topic. This debate will most assuredly continue though out the season with or without Jeremy Shockey as the Saints Tight End.

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Every offensive skill player on the field does not have to be a game changing threat.

The very fact that opposing DCs did not account for the tight end is the reason that Miller and Johnson collectively accounted for more catches (74), yards (706), TDs (4), and a decent YPC (9.5) than Shockey (57,609,3,10.5) last year.

With that type of production I'd ignore Shockey too.

But as I keep saying over and over and over again it's not just about talent. It's about fit. Johnson and Miller were both happy enough with the situation with the Saints that they were willing to sign up for another tour. Both were free agents. Both could have gone anywhere. I know they will work hard, make themselves available to Brees, and fit into this offense.

Shockey will not be happy. I don't think it's in his makeup. He has a diva superstar attitude. He wants to be the center of attention. He's a loudmouth that has thrown his own coach under the bus. He's unhappy after a season where his team has won the ultimate prize. That's a guy that just waiting up upset the apple cart It has been said that he has a fiery attitude. The problem is that a fiery attitude sometimes blows up in your face. Kyle Turley wasn't so long ago for most of you to remember his famous meltdowns.

I don't want that to be the Saints apple cart. Think about it. Reggie Bush is the superstar of this team. I think we all know that he really doesn't deserve it at this point. It doesn't bother guys like Brees, Colston, and Deuce who really deserve superstar accolades for this team. You think Shockey will be happy when the reporters flock over to Bush's locker to ask him about whatever? Or how about the first time Payton feels the need to get into Shockey's face. You think he'll respond well?

The Saints need talented guys that can be trusted to do what's best for the team.

I don't trust Shockey. This is a guy that right now that has thrown his own organization under the bus with this debacle.

Why would I want him in our organization?

SFIAH

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Just a few things here...

1. Would you really "ignore" Shockey on D? I welcome him then.
2. It is about "fit". And didn't you read the title of this post??? You think our head coach knows a little more (than us) about just how well Shockey will fit in New Orleans??
3. You're making huge assumptions about Shockey's attitude/makeup and how he will act when reporters "flock to Bush's locker"... Were you actually IN the locker room last season? Or do you just believe everything you read?
4. I haven't heard Shockey throw anyone under the bus, all i've heard is that he wants to play for another team that he can be a bigger part of.

Re: payton wants shockey...................
 

its impossible for you to win this argument.

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This is true, he's better than any TE we currently have on the team. And just like any other player he wants to be involved. The Giants offense is different from the Saints offense, hell I don't think Antonio Gates would like the Giants offense. I still think the Giants would have went to the Super Bowl with Shockey anyway because TE's in there offense has little production - Shockey can produce.