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Re: payton wants shockey...................
Conventional wisdom has it that Defense won the game for the Giants. Last I checked, Shockey didn't play defense.
I'm not saying I ascribe to this view (because I don't). However, before someone else says that Shockey's injury won the Giants the SB, I suggest they also address this argument (that is was Defense that really wins championships). Furthermore, it is difficult to see how one can believe the only evidence for football related claims is watching a team play can also believe that they somehow "watch Shockey's not playing help the Giants win". |
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Just because Defense needs the most help does not mean it should get ALL of it, and we need to improve across the board, every year, in every way. Quote:
I want a player who can help us get TO a Super Bowl, even a dysfunctional one like the Giants. Quote:
Shockey's performance does not match theirs because they HAVE PEOPLE TO THROW TO in the New York. Quote:
The malcontents are the result of screwed up teams. Go look at all the Giants news from the last few years. The whole team has been pretty unhappy with the coaching staff since Coughlin got there. Shockey is not the CAUSE of the Giants problems, he is the public admission of their problems. Quote:
As for cost, I'll trade a productive player for a game-changing player any day of the week. A pawn can be very productive in chess, but I will still trade one for an extra knight or bishop any day, thanks. Quote:
Pacman Jones is someone who has the added risk of not being able to play. Even if he wasn't currently suspended, how long until he is suspended again? Pac-man is someone I would not want living in New Orleans. Quote:
Shockey is not coming in to get 90+ catches a year, that is not why we want him. We want him because those 60 catches he makes are the tough ones Johnson drops. |
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Thats BS... if you didn't have a player running at the mouth about everything under the sun and his coaches, team mates... no one would think there was a problem.
SHUT UP AND PLAY BALL. He ran his mouth and now it goes to show him the coach he bad mouth won him a damn SB ring = IDIOT. |
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No. The Giants have had lots of problems with LOTS of players since Coughlin got there. No one acknowledges this. I also don't care if he threw his coach under the bus. In one sentence, he held himself, his teammates, and his coaches accountable for losing a game. Who, instead of the players and coaches, do you usually hold accountable for a loss? He said "We got outplayed, and we got out coached." He was playing that game, he was taking his own share of the responsibility for the loss. Everyone focuses on the part of that sentence that they want to focus on. I want to see him shut up and play too, he needs to be in a place where he can shut up and play, and that p[lace is New Orleans. |
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4. All of the above. Put me down with no gays in the locker room. You know the type that shave their entire body. |
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If I recall correctly, the NY defense gave up the lead with about 2 minutes on the clock. Then, the NE defense could not stop the Giants inside the 2 minute warning and gave up the lead back with 30-some seconds. So I say offense won that one. |
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