Shockey=Upgrade?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-06-2008, 05:19 AM

I'm going to snip to the punchlines...

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

The guys like T.O. and Shockey, like them are not, are the smoke that indicate a problem within an organization. They are the symptom of a problem, not the cause...

They don't start trouble, they announce it. We don't have that kind of trouble here. Therefore, we will have no problems with Shockey. We are not a problem organization.

How do we know that our Saints are not (your phrases, not mine) "big money chokers", "problem organization"? We have exactly one data point on big money games, the 2006 NFC championship game. Unfortunately we lost. I remember. I was there.

Second data point. The Giants climbed the mountain this year. 4 big money games on the road, went 4 for 4 including the ultimate prize. So where's the dysfunctional fire that makes Shockey want to get out of there so badly?

I'm been pointing out throughout this thread that the issue isn't about talent. From a talent standpoint Shockey is a huge upgrade.

But the Saints don't need a smoke alarm. A loudmouth who is trying to get out his current organization when they are at the pinnacle of the NFL.

I guess with T.O. you don't remember that first training camp under Parcells. Being on the sidelines in bike gear. The press conference shirtless in the driveway, the supposed suicide attempt and coverup. And this is with Dallas, a team that he supposedly likes.

Smoke alarm? Sounds like a train wreck to me.

Just talking about Shockey now is disruptive and the guy isn't even on our squad.

I just want to point out that all these teams that have acquired all these talented, yet dramatic players: T.O. (three times), Shockey, Chad Johnson, Moss (three times), PacMan (twice now), Vick have won exactly the same number of championships with these players that the Saints have: zero.

If talent alone won championships, then the Raiders would be champions every year. But it's been a long while since they've gotten there.

We don't need those types of guys. For every T.O. there's a Colston. For every Shockey there's an Antonio Gates. For every Vick, there's a Drew Brees. Talented guys that come in, work hard, make a difference, and don't create drama.

The Saints are a team full of those types of guys.

Let's keep it that way.

SFIAH

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05-06-2008, 05:19 AM	#13
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Shockey=Upgrade? I'm going to snip to the punchlines... Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP The guys like T.O. and Shockey, like them are not, are the smoke that indicate a problem within an organization. They are the symptom of a problem, not the cause... They don't start trouble, they announce it. We don't have that kind of trouble here. Therefore, we will have no problems with Shockey. We are not a problem organization. How do we know that our Saints are not (your phrases, not mine) "big money chokers", "problem organization"? We have exactly one data point on big money games, the 2006 NFC championship game. Unfortunately we lost. I remember. I was there. Second data point. The Giants climbed the mountain this year. 4 big money games on the road, went 4 for 4 including the ultimate prize. So where's the dysfunctional fire that makes Shockey want to get out of there so badly? I'm been pointing out throughout this thread that the issue isn't about talent. From a talent standpoint Shockey is a huge upgrade. But the Saints don't need a smoke alarm. A loudmouth who is trying to get out his current organization when they are at the pinnacle of the NFL. I guess with T.O. you don't remember that first training camp under Parcells. Being on the sidelines in bike gear. The press conference shirtless in the driveway, the supposed suicide attempt and coverup. And this is with Dallas, a team that he supposedly likes. Smoke alarm? Sounds like a train wreck to me. Just talking about Shockey now is disruptive and the guy isn't even on our squad. I just want to point out that all these teams that have acquired all these talented, yet dramatic players: T.O. (three times), Shockey, Chad Johnson, Moss (three times), PacMan (twice now), Vick have won exactly the same number of championships with these players that the Saints have: zero. If talent alone won championships, then the Raiders would be champions every year. But it's been a long while since they've gotten there. We don't need those types of guys. For every T.O. there's a Colston. For every Shockey there's an Antonio Gates. For every Vick, there's a Drew Brees. Talented guys that come in, work hard, make a difference, and don't create drama. The Saints are a team full of those types of guys. Let's keep it that way. SFIAH
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