porter ready for next test in nfl........

ssmitty · 05-04-2008, 07:33 AM

2theadvocate.com | Featured Saints Stories | Mickles: Porter ready for next test in the NFL — Baton Rouge, LA

QBREES9 · 05-04-2008, 05:15 PM

I’m extremely happy about that,” Porter said of being chosen by the Saints with the 40th overall pick. “I haven’t been to a lot of their games, but I watch all of them on television.”

Good luck to Tracy sound like he has great head on his shoulders.

WillMacKenzie · 05-04-2008, 05:37 PM

I'm definately not sold on Porter. Ellis, yeah. Porter, eh, when I hear from people that he shys away from contact, that raises a GIGANTIC red flag!

TheDeuce · 05-04-2008, 10:37 PM

I think that's a bunch of bull****. You don't shy away from contact and rack up 83 tackles in a season in addition to picking off a bunch. Just because Mel Kiper said he shys away from contact, now everybody is saying that. I mean maybe he does, but the numbers don't show that at all, in fact, they show the opposite.

hagan714 · 05-05-2008, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

You don't shy away from contact and rack up 83 tackles in a season in addition to picking off a bunch. Just because Mel Kiper said he shys away from contact, now everybody is saying that. I mean maybe he does, but the numbers don't show that at all, in fact, they show the opposite.

This struck me as weird. In all the pre draft evals I read and the few games of his I watched, I did not get that impression. He does need some coaching in his technique. Maybe it is the fact I never saw him try to deliver a knock out blow. He is not a big hitter but he does wrap up.

WillMacKenzie · 05-05-2008, 04:31 PM

"stats"

And Mark Simoneau's a stud middle linebacker...

Porter could be another one of these "bend but don't break" players who stand out in the field waiting for tackles to come to HIM.

Just saying - be realistic people.

JKool · 05-05-2008, 04:38 PM

"guesses"

I suppose that somebody somewhere saying that "he shys away from contact", which btw I haven't read anywhere, is good evidence, but stats aren't?

Strange.

WillMacKenzie · 05-05-2008, 05:09 PM

Jason David 2007

Games played: 13
Tackles: 50
Passes Defensed: 11
Forced Fumbles: 2 for 55 yards. (one returned for touchdown)
Interceptions: 3 for 21 yards.

Mike Mckenzie 2007

Games played: 15
Tackles: 52
Passes Defensed: 17
Forced Fumbles: 0
Interceptions: 3 for 161 (two touchdowns)

So from looking at the stats, we could say what? That Jason David and Mike Mckenzie were basically the same player? Were they really? Did you watch the games?

Strange, isn't it? : )

JKool · 05-05-2008, 05:58 PM

Not really.

Certainly stats aren't all there is to the story, but I'm disinclined to arguments that they don't mean anything at all.

JKool · 05-05-2008, 06:00 PM

Also, does this mean you've seen a bunch of NFL games that Ellis and Porter played? If seeing them play is the only way to evaluate them, then why say anything at all?

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05-04-2008, 05:15 PM	#2
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ I’m extremely happy about that,” Porter said of being chosen by the Saints with the 40th overall pick. “I haven’t been to a lot of their games, but I watch all of them on television.” Good luck to Tracy sound like he has great head on his shoulders.

05-04-2008, 05:37 PM	#3
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ I'm definately not sold on Porter. Ellis, yeah. Porter, eh, when I hear from people that he shys away from contact, that raises a GIGANTIC red flag!

05-04-2008, 10:37 PM	#4
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ I think that's a bunch of bull****. You don't shy away from contact and rack up 83 tackles in a season in addition to picking off a bunch. Just because Mel Kiper said he shys away from contact, now everybody is saying that. I mean maybe he does, but the numbers don't show that at all, in fact, they show the opposite.
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05-05-2008, 06:34 AM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ Originally Posted by TheDeuce You don't shy away from contact and rack up 83 tackles in a season in addition to picking off a bunch. Just because Mel Kiper said he shys away from contact, now everybody is saying that. I mean maybe he does, but the numbers don't show that at all, in fact, they show the opposite. This struck me as weird. In all the pre draft evals I read and the few games of his I watched, I did not get that impression. He does need some coaching in his technique. Maybe it is the fact I never saw him try to deliver a knock out blow. He is not a big hitter but he does wrap up.

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05-05-2008, 04:31 PM	#6
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ "stats" And Mark Simoneau's a stud middle linebacker... Porter could be another one of these "bend but don't break" players who stand out in the field waiting for tackles to come to HIM. Just saying - be realistic people.

05-05-2008, 04:38 PM	#7
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ "guesses" I suppose that somebody somewhere saying that "he shys away from contact", which btw I haven't read anywhere, is good evidence, but stats aren't? Strange.

05-05-2008, 05:09 PM	#8
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ Jason David 2007 Games played: 13 Tackles: 50 Passes Defensed: 11 Forced Fumbles: 2 for 55 yards. (one returned for touchdown) Interceptions: 3 for 21 yards. Mike Mckenzie 2007 Games played: 15 Tackles: 52 Passes Defensed: 17 Forced Fumbles: 0 Interceptions: 3 for 161 (two touchdowns) So from looking at the stats, we could say what? That Jason David and Mike Mckenzie were basically the same player? Were they really? Did you watch the games? Strange, isn't it? : )

05-05-2008, 05:58 PM	#9
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ Not really. Certainly stats aren't all there is to the story, but I'm disinclined to arguments that they don't mean anything at all.

05-05-2008, 06:00 PM	#10
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ Also, does this mean you've seen a bunch of NFL games that Ellis and Porter played? If seeing them play is the only way to evaluate them, then why say anything at all?