Is pierre tradeable?

CantonLegend · 05-14-2008, 09:15 AM

alright i changed my mind..i hope we draft alex mack from cal next year....if he ends up falling and not becoming the first overall pick which is a complete possibility.....i've seen our draft position from as low as number 10 to as high as 32.....that isnt a very good way to narrow down where we will pick.....as far as the running backs go...knowshon moreno appears to be the best RB after chris wells....some even have him higher than wells....if we end up picking at 10 or 11 or in the teens we have a chance to land him and he would be a great pickup...they compared him to cadillac williams in his running style....i just hope he wont get hurt for us...ne way...im done talking about future draft picks and i retract my earlier statement of me hoping we draft a RB....if we pass on alex mack i will certainly be in jeckyl acres next year

hagan714 · 05-14-2008, 09:36 AM

knowshon moreno should be a top 10
chris wells - possible in the top 20.
alex mack - now we are talking. but there are some good OC in the 2009 draft and even better if the Jr. come out.
William Moore, FS/SS, Missouri is my early odds on as favorite. I do not think we are done building the secondary.

Lets see how the OL develops and then we can talk about trading from an area of depth, OT and maybe, just maybe OG.

Memnoch_TP · 05-14-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

Ideally we want duece back...if that happens then that obviously makes Pierre expendable....everybody on these forums seem to have fallen madly in love with him after last seasons performance...but if we have a healthy duece then we dont need him....he could be traded for someone we do want or a need position to fill....ne ideas or thoughts on the subject?

Yeah, lets get rid of the young potential stud RB for the "Healthy" guy in his 30's with two bad knees.

There is everyday healthy, and there is football healthy. Deuce will surely reach the former, but the latter will be hard to attain and harder to maintain.

Stop being silly!

Originally Posted by hagan714

Hey canton I like stecker but at the young age of 32 don't you think it is time to at least consider a replacement. Really?

Big difference between a 32 year old RB who has been the go-to guy for his whole career and a 32 year old RB who has been relief/special teams his whole career.

It's not just the age, it's the wear and tear. Stecker has a bit more tread left on his tires.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

alright first of all....i coach high school football and i am a college scout so i know what im talking about when it comes to talent....

And as long as you are not coaching for Slidell High School, or scouting for LSU, then I wish you a long career. Should make life easier for both sets of Tigers if you do, LOL!

CantonLegend · 05-14-2008, 09:36 PM

alright as hard as it is to not swear at u im going to try....PT is not a stud...at least not yet...maybe u missed the part where i said im not advocating a trade...just throwing it out there....i didnt say i was a good coach and i wont because that isnt the argument....however....my team has won the state championship 3 times in the last 10 years....that was kinda a dick move...and honestly i wish ur high school and LSU luck....i dont like either of them but good for u for being faithful.....we would not be getting rid of PT for some guy we dont need...or a draft pick that is worthless.....we would get rid of him for something we do need....assuming he has value at the end of the season

pakowitz · 05-14-2008, 09:45 PM

im kinda with canton on this one.. everyone is head over heels in love with PT and i think we need to see more of him before we start saying he should be the starting RB.. just b/c he had one awesome game doesnt mean u can do it for a full season..

CantonLegend · 05-14-2008, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

William Moore, FS/SS, Missouri is my early odds on as favorite. I do not think we are done building the secondary

i agree....i do think however that we will still have our second round pick next year....i dont know if we would draft a S if someone would fall to us wherever we may be....i think there are better talents in the draft next year at more important positions...i think with all of our new CBs its entirely possible that we move one of them back?....i like adding to our defense....i just think that if our offense is supposed to be our strong point and if we are missing a vital piece..then we will go offense first...thats what we did last year when we drafted meachem....we thought we had secured our secondary with jason david and instead we fixed our WR position that needed filling with the departure of joe horn

hagan714 · 05-14-2008, 10:23 PM

Moore is top notch talent. keep your eye on him. he will be top 25 talent

Memnoch_TP · 05-14-2008, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

alright as hard as it is to not swear at u im going to try

Yeah, I get that a lot.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

...that was kinda a dick move...

I get that a lot too. Mainly because I'm a dick. But I'm okay with that.

Originally Posted by Pakowitz

im kinda with canton on this one.. everyone is head over heels in love with PT and i think we need to see more of him before we start saying he should be the starting RB.. just b/c he had one awesome game doesnt mean u can do it for a full season..

Aight, I am not in love with Pierre Thomas. I don't know his number, what he looks like, his college, his stats, his height or weight. I didn't see much preseason this year, and to be honest, I Tivoed the last game, and after I accidentally found out we lost I didn't have the heart to watch it. F'n Bears...

You know what I do know about Pierre Thomas? He is our guy. He has not proven to us that he can be a #1 RB in the NFL, but he has obviously proven it to Payton. He has not shown he can perform at a high level all season long. But then, neither can Mendenhall or Stuart or any of the other stud RB's taken in the draft this year. They have never played in an NFL game, and have never been with a team for a full NFL schedule. But the bottom line is, he is our guy. Period.

I cannot believe that the coaches and front office can be blind to the fact that Deuce is pretty ripped up. Three major knee injuries is big at Deuce's age. They HAVE to have a backup option. It is their JOBS to have a backup option.

Thomas walked on to the team, and was good enough that they sent their 3rd round pick packing.

They did NOT draft a running back this year.

They did not aggressively pursue Michael Turner.

They have passed on a former league MVP, who may not be the MVP he was, but would be more than sufficient sharing a backfield with Karney and Reggie.

I am not in love with Pierre Thomas, but I hope to be soon, because he is our guy. I have faith in the Coach Payton, he is still learning and growing as a head coach, but he has proven he has an eye for personnel and the ability to get the best out of them.

If we has taken McFadden in the 1st round, happy about the pick or not, we would all expect him to jump in and be the future of the Saints. No experience, unproven, but destined to be our guy. I simply expect the same of Thomas. To me Thomas is like a new draft pick with more experience.

Thomas is unproven, but less so than any draft pick. I don't see why we should not expect him to take the reigns at RB, when we would expect it from a high draft pick.

FACT: Deuce is going to have a hard time coming back from this, and will probably not be 100% for the start of the season, if he ever is again.
FACT: The Coaching staff obviously thinks he can handle it, because they have ignored several good opportunities to bring in a new running back.
FACT: Pierre Thomas is our guy.

When it all comes down to it, Thomas has given us all more reason to think that he can succeed, than to think he will fail. Being undrafted means nothing in relation to Pierre Thomas' ability to succeed in the NFL. The fact that he is where is is, compared to where he started, is just more proof that he has the skills and the moxy to be the man for us. I am excited that the coaching staff has someone that they believe in that much.

I may be being a dick again, but seeing as Canton is a college scout, I think half of his doubts about Pierre Thomas stem from the fact that a viable #1 NFL stud RB going undrafted would most certainly have to be defined as a "Massive scouting error of biblical proportions". Canton trusts the opinions of his peers, I trust the opinion of Sean Payton.

We have our guy, Pak, and he has at least earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion.

phatoosdey · 05-15-2008, 12:10 AM

we also have a new RB coach...it's on his shoulders...if he thought our RB situation was insufficient don't you think we would have been more aggressive addressing this position?

i'm going with PT until he proves otherwise

pakowitz · 05-15-2008, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

You know what I do know about Pierre Thomas? He is our guy. He has not proven to us that he can be a #1 RB in the NFL, but he has obviously proven it to Payton.

no he hasnt.. he started 1 game, pretty much cause everyone else was injured...

He has not shown he can perform at a high level all season long. But then, neither can Mendenhall or Stuart or any of the other stud RB's taken in the draft this year. They have never played in an NFL game, and have never been with a team for a full NFL schedule. But the bottom line is, he is our guy. Period.

what does this have to do with the ability of PT? Mend. and Stuart are obviously talented players as evidenced by the fact that they were 1st round picks... PT was undrafted.. now that doesnt mean he cant succeed but it does mean that no NFL team thought he was good enough to take a chance on by spending even a 7th round pick.. i know he started over mend. at Ill. but its not like he did anything special while he was starting.. splitting carries every year.. so he never really beat out anyone...

I cannot believe that the coaches and front office can be blind to the fact that Deuce is pretty ripped up. Three major knee injuries is big at Deuce's age. They HAVE to have a backup option. It is their JOBS to have a backup option

im pretty sure they brought in Alexander just incase deuce doesnt come back fully healthy.. even though they didnt offer him a contract.. they still wanted to see what he has and could offer one at a later date..

Thomas walked on to the team, and was good enough that they sent their 3rd round pick packing.

4th

They did NOT draft a running back this year

. we had more pressing needs then finding another backup running back

They did not aggressively pursue Michael Turner.

who was going to be overpaid.. he got the chance to shine in the playoffs and he laid an egg..

They have passed on a former league MVP, who may not be the MVP he was, but would be more than sufficient sharing a backfield with Karney and Reggie

.

i wouldnt say they passed.. they are waiting to see how deuce does in mini camps before making a decision on bringing in another RB

I am not in love with Pierre Thomas, but I hope to be soon, because he is our guy. I have faith in the Coach Payton, he is still learning and growing as a head coach, but he has proven he has an eye for personnel and the ability to get the best out of them.

id say he isnt our guy but our 4th string RB

If we has taken McFadden in the 1st round, happy about the pick or not, we would all expect him to jump in and be the future of the Saints. No experience, unproven, but destined to be our guy. I simply expect the same of Thomas. To me Thomas is like a new draft pick with more experience. Thomas is unproven, but less so than any draft pick. I don't see why we should not expect him to take the reigns at RB, when we would expect it from a high draft pick

of course we would have expected that of McFadden.. he would have been a high 1st round pick.. those players are almost always expected to come in and play right away.. except for QBs.. just look at meachem last year.. thats y he was so disappointing.. he didnt even play at all.. back to PT.. why would you expect him to just come in and start after being 4th string all last year and starting one game at the end of the year when he was all we had?

.

FACT: Deuce is going to have a hard time coming back from this, and will probably not be 100% for the start of the season, if he ever is again.

we thought the same thing in 2006.. when he came back better then ever...

FACT: The Coaching staff obviously thinks he can handle it, because they have ignored several good opportunities to bring in a new running back.

i wouldnt say the ignored it.. they have brought in players just to check the tires, so to speak

FACT: Pierre Thomas is our guy

. FACT: Pierre Thomas is our 3rd string RB if he beats out Stecker

When it all comes down to it, Thomas has given us all more reason to think that he can succeed, than to think he will fail. Being undrafted means nothing in relation to Pierre Thomas' ability to succeed in the NFL. The fact that he is where is is, compared to where he started, is just more proof that he has the skills and the moxy to be the man for us. I am excited that the coaching staff has someone that they believe in that much.

really? all that from one game?

I may be being a dick again, but seeing as Canton is a college scout, I think half of his doubts about Pierre Thomas stem from the fact that a viable #1 NFL stud RB going undrafted would most certainly have to be defined as a "Massive scouting error of biblical proportions". Canton trusts the opinions of his peers, I trust the opinion of Sean Payton.

who seems to think that PT is an excellent backup to Deuce, Reggie and Stecker.. i look forward to seeing him perform in mop-up duty

We have our guy, Pak, and he has at least earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion.

yea reggie does deserve it.. thats y he will be havin the monster year.. not your boy PT

05-14-2008, 09:15 AM	#31
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is pierre tradeable? alright i changed my mind..i hope we draft alex mack from cal next year....if he ends up falling and not becoming the first overall pick which is a complete possibility.....i've seen our draft position from as low as number 10 to as high as 32.....that isnt a very good way to narrow down where we will pick.....as far as the running backs go...knowshon moreno appears to be the best RB after chris wells....some even have him higher than wells....if we end up picking at 10 or 11 or in the teens we have a chance to land him and he would be a great pickup...they compared him to cadillac williams in his running style....i just hope he wont get hurt for us...ne way...im done talking about future draft picks and i retract my earlier statement of me hoping we draft a RB....if we pass on alex mack i will certainly be in jeckyl acres next year
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05-14-2008, 09:36 AM	#32
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Is pierre tradeable? knowshon moreno should be a top 10 chris wells - possible in the top 20. alex mack - now we are talking. but there are some good OC in the 2009 draft and even better if the Jr. come out. William Moore, FS/SS, Missouri is my early odds on as favorite. I do not think we are done building the secondary. Lets see how the OL develops and then we can talk about trading from an area of depth, OT and maybe, just maybe OG.

05-14-2008, 08:06 PM	#33
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by CantonLegend Ideally we want duece back...if that happens then that obviously makes Pierre expendable....everybody on these forums seem to have fallen madly in love with him after last seasons performance...but if we have a healthy duece then we dont need him....he could be traded for someone we do want or a need position to fill....ne ideas or thoughts on the subject? Yeah, lets get rid of the young potential stud RB for the "Healthy" guy in his 30's with two bad knees. There is everyday healthy, and there is football healthy. Deuce will surely reach the former, but the latter will be hard to attain and harder to maintain. Stop being silly! Originally Posted by hagan714 Hey canton I like stecker but at the young age of 32 don't you think it is time to at least consider a replacement. Really? Big difference between a 32 year old RB who has been the go-to guy for his whole career and a 32 year old RB who has been relief/special teams his whole career. It's not just the age, it's the wear and tear. Stecker has a bit more tread left on his tires. Originally Posted by CantonLegend alright first of all....i coach high school football and i am a college scout so i know what im talking about when it comes to talent.... And as long as you are not coaching for Slidell High School, or scouting for LSU, then I wish you a long career. Should make life easier for both sets of Tigers if you do, LOL!
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05-14-2008, 09:36 PM	#34
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is pierre tradeable? alright as hard as it is to not swear at u im going to try....PT is not a stud...at least not yet...maybe u missed the part where i said im not advocating a trade...just throwing it out there....i didnt say i was a good coach and i wont because that isnt the argument....however....my team has won the state championship 3 times in the last 10 years....that was kinda a dick move...and honestly i wish ur high school and LSU luck....i dont like either of them but good for u for being faithful.....we would not be getting rid of PT for some guy we dont need...or a draft pick that is worthless.....we would get rid of him for something we do need....assuming he has value at the end of the season
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05-14-2008, 09:45 PM	#35
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Is pierre tradeable? im kinda with canton on this one.. everyone is head over heels in love with PT and i think we need to see more of him before we start saying he should be the starting RB.. just b/c he had one awesome game doesnt mean u can do it for a full season..

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05-14-2008, 09:47 PM	#36
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by hagan714 William Moore, FS/SS, Missouri is my early odds on as favorite. I do not think we are done building the secondary i agree....i do think however that we will still have our second round pick next year....i dont know if we would draft a S if someone would fall to us wherever we may be....i think there are better talents in the draft next year at more important positions...i think with all of our new CBs its entirely possible that we move one of them back?....i like adding to our defense....i just think that if our offense is supposed to be our strong point and if we are missing a vital piece..then we will go offense first...thats what we did last year when we drafted meachem....we thought we had secured our secondary with jason david and instead we fixed our WR position that needed filling with the departure of joe horn
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05-14-2008, 10:23 PM	#37
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Moore is top notch talent. keep your eye on him. he will be top 25 talent

05-14-2008, 11:46 PM	#38
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by CantonLegend alright as hard as it is to not swear at u im going to try Yeah, I get that a lot. Originally Posted by CantonLegend ...that was kinda a dick move... I get that a lot too. Mainly because I'm a dick. But I'm okay with that. Originally Posted by Pakowitz im kinda with canton on this one.. everyone is head over heels in love with PT and i think we need to see more of him before we start saying he should be the starting RB.. just b/c he had one awesome game doesnt mean u can do it for a full season.. Aight, I am not in love with Pierre Thomas. I don't know his number, what he looks like, his college, his stats, his height or weight. I didn't see much preseason this year, and to be honest, I Tivoed the last game, and after I accidentally found out we lost I didn't have the heart to watch it. F'n Bears... You know what I do know about Pierre Thomas? He is our guy. He has not proven to us that he can be a #1 RB in the NFL, but he has obviously proven it to Payton. He has not shown he can perform at a high level all season long. But then, neither can Mendenhall or Stuart or any of the other stud RB's taken in the draft this year. They have never played in an NFL game, and have never been with a team for a full NFL schedule. But the bottom line is, he is our guy. Period. I cannot believe that the coaches and front office can be blind to the fact that Deuce is pretty ripped up. Three major knee injuries is big at Deuce's age. They HAVE to have a backup option. It is their JOBS to have a backup option. Thomas walked on to the team, and was good enough that they sent their 3rd round pick packing. They did NOT draft a running back this year. They did not aggressively pursue Michael Turner. They have passed on a former league MVP, who may not be the MVP he was, but would be more than sufficient sharing a backfield with Karney and Reggie. I am not in love with Pierre Thomas, but I hope to be soon, because he is our guy. I have faith in the Coach Payton, he is still learning and growing as a head coach, but he has proven he has an eye for personnel and the ability to get the best out of them. If we has taken McFadden in the 1st round, happy about the pick or not, we would all expect him to jump in and be the future of the Saints. No experience, unproven, but destined to be our guy. I simply expect the same of Thomas. To me Thomas is like a new draft pick with more experience. Thomas is unproven, but less so than any draft pick. I don't see why we should not expect him to take the reigns at RB, when we would expect it from a high draft pick. FACT: Deuce is going to have a hard time coming back from this, and will probably not be 100% for the start of the season, if he ever is again. FACT: The Coaching staff obviously thinks he can handle it, because they have ignored several good opportunities to bring in a new running back. FACT: Pierre Thomas is our guy. When it all comes down to it, Thomas has given us all more reason to think that he can succeed, than to think he will fail. Being undrafted means nothing in relation to Pierre Thomas' ability to succeed in the NFL. The fact that he is where is is, compared to where he started, is just more proof that he has the skills and the moxy to be the man for us. I am excited that the coaching staff has someone that they believe in that much. I may be being a dick again, but seeing as Canton is a college scout, I think half of his doubts about Pierre Thomas stem from the fact that a viable #1 NFL stud RB going undrafted would most certainly have to be defined as a "Massive scouting error of biblical proportions". Canton trusts the opinions of his peers, I trust the opinion of Sean Payton. We have our guy, Pak, and he has at least earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion.
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05-15-2008, 12:10 AM	#39
phatoosdey Drunkagen Join Date: May 2007 Location: kenner Posts: 356	Re: Is pierre tradeable? we also have a new RB coach...it's on his shoulders...if he thought our RB situation was insufficient don't you think we would have been more aggressive addressing this position? i'm going with PT until he proves otherwise

05-15-2008, 12:18 AM	#40
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP You know what I do know about Pierre Thomas? He is our guy. He has not proven to us that he can be a #1 RB in the NFL, but he has obviously proven it to Payton. no he hasnt.. he started 1 game, pretty much cause everyone else was injured... He has not shown he can perform at a high level all season long. But then, neither can Mendenhall or Stuart or any of the other stud RB's taken in the draft this year. They have never played in an NFL game, and have never been with a team for a full NFL schedule. But the bottom line is, he is our guy. Period. what does this have to do with the ability of PT? Mend. and Stuart are obviously talented players as evidenced by the fact that they were 1st round picks... PT was undrafted.. now that doesnt mean he cant succeed but it does mean that no NFL team thought he was good enough to take a chance on by spending even a 7th round pick.. i know he started over mend. at Ill. but its not like he did anything special while he was starting.. splitting carries every year.. so he never really beat out anyone... I cannot believe that the coaches and front office can be blind to the fact that Deuce is pretty ripped up. Three major knee injuries is big at Deuce's age. They HAVE to have a backup option. It is their JOBS to have a backup option im pretty sure they brought in Alexander just incase deuce doesnt come back fully healthy.. even though they didnt offer him a contract.. they still wanted to see what he has and could offer one at a later date.. Thomas walked on to the team, and was good enough that they sent their 3rd round pick packing. 4th They did NOT draft a running back this year . we had more pressing needs then finding another backup running back They did not aggressively pursue Michael Turner. who was going to be overpaid.. he got the chance to shine in the playoffs and he laid an egg.. They have passed on a former league MVP, who may not be the MVP he was, but would be more than sufficient sharing a backfield with Karney and Reggie . i wouldnt say they passed.. they are waiting to see how deuce does in mini camps before making a decision on bringing in another RB I am not in love with Pierre Thomas, but I hope to be soon, because he is our guy. I have faith in the Coach Payton, he is still learning and growing as a head coach, but he has proven he has an eye for personnel and the ability to get the best out of them. id say he isnt our guy but our 4th string RB If we has taken McFadden in the 1st round, happy about the pick or not, we would all expect him to jump in and be the future of the Saints. No experience, unproven, but destined to be our guy. I simply expect the same of Thomas. To me Thomas is like a new draft pick with more experience. Thomas is unproven, but less so than any draft pick. I don't see why we should not expect him to take the reigns at RB, when we would expect it from a high draft pick of course we would have expected that of McFadden.. he would have been a high 1st round pick.. those players are almost always expected to come in and play right away.. except for QBs.. just look at meachem last year.. thats y he was so disappointing.. he didnt even play at all.. back to PT.. why would you expect him to just come in and start after being 4th string all last year and starting one game at the end of the year when he was all we had? . FACT: Deuce is going to have a hard time coming back from this, and will probably not be 100% for the start of the season, if he ever is again. we thought the same thing in 2006.. when he came back better then ever... FACT: The Coaching staff obviously thinks he can handle it, because they have ignored several good opportunities to bring in a new running back. i wouldnt say the ignored it.. they have brought in players just to check the tires, so to speak FACT: Pierre Thomas is our guy . FACT: Pierre Thomas is our 3rd string RB if he beats out Stecker When it all comes down to it, Thomas has given us all more reason to think that he can succeed, than to think he will fail. Being undrafted means nothing in relation to Pierre Thomas' ability to succeed in the NFL. The fact that he is where is is, compared to where he started, is just more proof that he has the skills and the moxy to be the man for us. I am excited that the coaching staff has someone that they believe in that much. really? all that from one game? I may be being a dick again, but seeing as Canton is a college scout, I think half of his doubts about Pierre Thomas stem from the fact that a viable #1 NFL stud RB going undrafted would most certainly have to be defined as a "Massive scouting error of biblical proportions". Canton trusts the opinions of his peers, I trust the opinion of Sean Payton. who seems to think that PT is an excellent backup to Deuce, Reggie and Stecker.. i look forward to seeing him perform in mop-up duty We have our guy, Pak, and he has at least earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion. yea reggie does deserve it.. thats y he will be havin the monster year.. not your boy PT
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