Is pierre tradeable?

CantonLegend · 05-14-2008, 08:36 PM

alright as hard as it is to not swear at u im going to try....PT is not a stud...at least not yet...maybe u missed the part where i said im not advocating a trade...just throwing it out there....i didnt say i was a good coach and i wont because that isnt the argument....however....my team has won the state championship 3 times in the last 10 years....that was kinda a dick move...and honestly i wish ur high school and LSU luck....i dont like either of them but good for u for being faithful.....we would not be getting rid of PT for some guy we dont need...or a draft pick that is worthless.....we would get rid of him for something we do need....assuming he has value at the end of the season

Memnoch_TP · 05-14-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

alright as hard as it is to not swear at u im going to try

Yeah, I get that a lot.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

...that was kinda a dick move...

I get that a lot too. Mainly because I'm a dick. But I'm okay with that.

Originally Posted by Pakowitz

im kinda with canton on this one.. everyone is head over heels in love with PT and i think we need to see more of him before we start saying he should be the starting RB.. just b/c he had one awesome game doesnt mean u can do it for a full season..

Aight, I am not in love with Pierre Thomas. I don't know his number, what he looks like, his college, his stats, his height or weight. I didn't see much preseason this year, and to be honest, I Tivoed the last game, and after I accidentally found out we lost I didn't have the heart to watch it. F'n Bears...

You know what I do know about Pierre Thomas? He is our guy. He has not proven to us that he can be a #1 RB in the NFL, but he has obviously proven it to Payton. He has not shown he can perform at a high level all season long. But then, neither can Mendenhall or Stuart or any of the other stud RB's taken in the draft this year. They have never played in an NFL game, and have never been with a team for a full NFL schedule. But the bottom line is, he is our guy. Period.

I cannot believe that the coaches and front office can be blind to the fact that Deuce is pretty ripped up. Three major knee injuries is big at Deuce's age. They HAVE to have a backup option. It is their JOBS to have a backup option.

Thomas walked on to the team, and was good enough that they sent their 3rd round pick packing.

They did NOT draft a running back this year.

They did not aggressively pursue Michael Turner.

They have passed on a former league MVP, who may not be the MVP he was, but would be more than sufficient sharing a backfield with Karney and Reggie.

I am not in love with Pierre Thomas, but I hope to be soon, because he is our guy. I have faith in the Coach Payton, he is still learning and growing as a head coach, but he has proven he has an eye for personnel and the ability to get the best out of them.

If we has taken McFadden in the 1st round, happy about the pick or not, we would all expect him to jump in and be the future of the Saints. No experience, unproven, but destined to be our guy. I simply expect the same of Thomas. To me Thomas is like a new draft pick with more experience.

Thomas is unproven, but less so than any draft pick. I don't see why we should not expect him to take the reigns at RB, when we would expect it from a high draft pick.

FACT: Deuce is going to have a hard time coming back from this, and will probably not be 100% for the start of the season, if he ever is again.
FACT: The Coaching staff obviously thinks he can handle it, because they have ignored several good opportunities to bring in a new running back.
FACT: Pierre Thomas is our guy.

When it all comes down to it, Thomas has given us all more reason to think that he can succeed, than to think he will fail. Being undrafted means nothing in relation to Pierre Thomas' ability to succeed in the NFL. The fact that he is where is is, compared to where he started, is just more proof that he has the skills and the moxy to be the man for us. I am excited that the coaching staff has someone that they believe in that much.

I may be being a dick again, but seeing as Canton is a college scout, I think half of his doubts about Pierre Thomas stem from the fact that a viable #1 NFL stud RB going undrafted would most certainly have to be defined as a "Massive scouting error of biblical proportions". Canton trusts the opinions of his peers, I trust the opinion of Sean Payton.

We have our guy, Pak, and he has at least earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion.

pakowitz · 05-14-2008, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

You know what I do know about Pierre Thomas? He is our guy. He has not proven to us that he can be a #1 RB in the NFL, but he has obviously proven it to Payton.

no he hasnt.. he started 1 game, pretty much cause everyone else was injured...

He has not shown he can perform at a high level all season long. But then, neither can Mendenhall or Stuart or any of the other stud RB's taken in the draft this year. They have never played in an NFL game, and have never been with a team for a full NFL schedule. But the bottom line is, he is our guy. Period.

what does this have to do with the ability of PT? Mend. and Stuart are obviously talented players as evidenced by the fact that they were 1st round picks... PT was undrafted.. now that doesnt mean he cant succeed but it does mean that no NFL team thought he was good enough to take a chance on by spending even a 7th round pick.. i know he started over mend. at Ill. but its not like he did anything special while he was starting.. splitting carries every year.. so he never really beat out anyone...

I cannot believe that the coaches and front office can be blind to the fact that Deuce is pretty ripped up. Three major knee injuries is big at Deuce's age. They HAVE to have a backup option. It is their JOBS to have a backup option

im pretty sure they brought in Alexander just incase deuce doesnt come back fully healthy.. even though they didnt offer him a contract.. they still wanted to see what he has and could offer one at a later date..

Thomas walked on to the team, and was good enough that they sent their 3rd round pick packing.

4th

They did NOT draft a running back this year

. we had more pressing needs then finding another backup running back

They did not aggressively pursue Michael Turner.

who was going to be overpaid.. he got the chance to shine in the playoffs and he laid an egg..

They have passed on a former league MVP, who may not be the MVP he was, but would be more than sufficient sharing a backfield with Karney and Reggie

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i wouldnt say they passed.. they are waiting to see how deuce does in mini camps before making a decision on bringing in another RB

I am not in love with Pierre Thomas, but I hope to be soon, because he is our guy. I have faith in the Coach Payton, he is still learning and growing as a head coach, but he has proven he has an eye for personnel and the ability to get the best out of them.

id say he isnt our guy but our 4th string RB

If we has taken McFadden in the 1st round, happy about the pick or not, we would all expect him to jump in and be the future of the Saints. No experience, unproven, but destined to be our guy. I simply expect the same of Thomas. To me Thomas is like a new draft pick with more experience. Thomas is unproven, but less so than any draft pick. I don't see why we should not expect him to take the reigns at RB, when we would expect it from a high draft pick

of course we would have expected that of McFadden.. he would have been a high 1st round pick.. those players are almost always expected to come in and play right away.. except for QBs.. just look at meachem last year.. thats y he was so disappointing.. he didnt even play at all.. back to PT.. why would you expect him to just come in and start after being 4th string all last year and starting one game at the end of the year when he was all we had?

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FACT: Deuce is going to have a hard time coming back from this, and will probably not be 100% for the start of the season, if he ever is again.

we thought the same thing in 2006.. when he came back better then ever...

FACT: The Coaching staff obviously thinks he can handle it, because they have ignored several good opportunities to bring in a new running back.

i wouldnt say the ignored it.. they have brought in players just to check the tires, so to speak

FACT: Pierre Thomas is our guy

. FACT: Pierre Thomas is our 3rd string RB if he beats out Stecker

When it all comes down to it, Thomas has given us all more reason to think that he can succeed, than to think he will fail. Being undrafted means nothing in relation to Pierre Thomas' ability to succeed in the NFL. The fact that he is where is is, compared to where he started, is just more proof that he has the skills and the moxy to be the man for us. I am excited that the coaching staff has someone that they believe in that much.

really? all that from one game?

I may be being a dick again, but seeing as Canton is a college scout, I think half of his doubts about Pierre Thomas stem from the fact that a viable #1 NFL stud RB going undrafted would most certainly have to be defined as a "Massive scouting error of biblical proportions". Canton trusts the opinions of his peers, I trust the opinion of Sean Payton.

who seems to think that PT is an excellent backup to Deuce, Reggie and Stecker.. i look forward to seeing him perform in mop-up duty

We have our guy, Pak, and he has at least earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion.

yea reggie does deserve it.. thats y he will be havin the monster year.. not your boy PT

CantonLegend · 05-15-2008, 10:30 AM

naw mem.....im not a college scout of players....i scout teams coming up on our schedule....usually when i scout teams players jump out at me.....i dont scout for the draft or ne thing....but....i am not a genious...but most of the coaches in the nfl are....most of the ppl in the front office are even smarter...if that manny ppl passed on PT in the draft its because he seriously lacked something coming out of college that is needed to be a starter in the NFL...idk what it was...but it was something....Tony Romo was a freak accident....Marques Colston was a freak accident....i think we have the mindset that since we drafted Colston that all of our picks will pan out...hopefully they do....but if they dont it just shows that even draft picks arent guarenteed....so...if they arent even guarenteed....what makes u think that an undrafted guy can be?....lets see....32 teams....45 players on each team....1440 players in the entire league not including practice squad....how many do u think start as undrafted free agents?.....maybe 30?....maybe....and thats including starters on ST

saintsfan1976 · 05-16-2008, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

but....i am not a genious...

Really??!?

phatoosdey · 05-16-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Really??!?

hehe now thats funny...
not to poke fun cantonlegend but most genious' spell it genius

CantonLegend · 05-16-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by phatoosdey

hehe now thats funny...
not to poke fun cantonlegend but most genious' spell it genius

its all in good fun...i said i wasnt and i never claimed to be lol....i like the ability of ppl in this forum to go from being die hard and angry to jokin around with each other...thats why i love this forum so much...u guys are a great group of ppl to talk to and debate with

05-14-2008, 08:36 PM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is pierre tradeable? alright as hard as it is to not swear at u im going to try....PT is not a stud...at least not yet...maybe u missed the part where i said im not advocating a trade...just throwing it out there....i didnt say i was a good coach and i wont because that isnt the argument....however....my team has won the state championship 3 times in the last 10 years....that was kinda a dick move...and honestly i wish ur high school and LSU luck....i dont like either of them but good for u for being faithful.....we would not be getting rid of PT for some guy we dont need...or a draft pick that is worthless.....we would get rid of him for something we do need....assuming he has value at the end of the season
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05-14-2008, 10:46 PM	#2
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by CantonLegend alright as hard as it is to not swear at u im going to try Yeah, I get that a lot. Originally Posted by CantonLegend ...that was kinda a dick move... I get that a lot too. Mainly because I'm a dick. But I'm okay with that. Originally Posted by Pakowitz im kinda with canton on this one.. everyone is head over heels in love with PT and i think we need to see more of him before we start saying he should be the starting RB.. just b/c he had one awesome game doesnt mean u can do it for a full season.. Aight, I am not in love with Pierre Thomas. I don't know his number, what he looks like, his college, his stats, his height or weight. I didn't see much preseason this year, and to be honest, I Tivoed the last game, and after I accidentally found out we lost I didn't have the heart to watch it. F'n Bears... You know what I do know about Pierre Thomas? He is our guy. He has not proven to us that he can be a #1 RB in the NFL, but he has obviously proven it to Payton. He has not shown he can perform at a high level all season long. But then, neither can Mendenhall or Stuart or any of the other stud RB's taken in the draft this year. They have never played in an NFL game, and have never been with a team for a full NFL schedule. But the bottom line is, he is our guy. Period. I cannot believe that the coaches and front office can be blind to the fact that Deuce is pretty ripped up. Three major knee injuries is big at Deuce's age. They HAVE to have a backup option. It is their JOBS to have a backup option. Thomas walked on to the team, and was good enough that they sent their 3rd round pick packing. They did NOT draft a running back this year. They did not aggressively pursue Michael Turner. They have passed on a former league MVP, who may not be the MVP he was, but would be more than sufficient sharing a backfield with Karney and Reggie. I am not in love with Pierre Thomas, but I hope to be soon, because he is our guy. I have faith in the Coach Payton, he is still learning and growing as a head coach, but he has proven he has an eye for personnel and the ability to get the best out of them. If we has taken McFadden in the 1st round, happy about the pick or not, we would all expect him to jump in and be the future of the Saints. No experience, unproven, but destined to be our guy. I simply expect the same of Thomas. To me Thomas is like a new draft pick with more experience. Thomas is unproven, but less so than any draft pick. I don't see why we should not expect him to take the reigns at RB, when we would expect it from a high draft pick. FACT: Deuce is going to have a hard time coming back from this, and will probably not be 100% for the start of the season, if he ever is again. FACT: The Coaching staff obviously thinks he can handle it, because they have ignored several good opportunities to bring in a new running back. FACT: Pierre Thomas is our guy. When it all comes down to it, Thomas has given us all more reason to think that he can succeed, than to think he will fail. Being undrafted means nothing in relation to Pierre Thomas' ability to succeed in the NFL. The fact that he is where is is, compared to where he started, is just more proof that he has the skills and the moxy to be the man for us. I am excited that the coaching staff has someone that they believe in that much. I may be being a dick again, but seeing as Canton is a college scout, I think half of his doubts about Pierre Thomas stem from the fact that a viable #1 NFL stud RB going undrafted would most certainly have to be defined as a "Massive scouting error of biblical proportions". Canton trusts the opinions of his peers, I trust the opinion of Sean Payton. We have our guy, Pak, and he has at least earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion.
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05-14-2008, 11:18 PM	#3
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP You know what I do know about Pierre Thomas? He is our guy. He has not proven to us that he can be a #1 RB in the NFL, but he has obviously proven it to Payton. no he hasnt.. he started 1 game, pretty much cause everyone else was injured... He has not shown he can perform at a high level all season long. But then, neither can Mendenhall or Stuart or any of the other stud RB's taken in the draft this year. They have never played in an NFL game, and have never been with a team for a full NFL schedule. But the bottom line is, he is our guy. Period. what does this have to do with the ability of PT? Mend. and Stuart are obviously talented players as evidenced by the fact that they were 1st round picks... PT was undrafted.. now that doesnt mean he cant succeed but it does mean that no NFL team thought he was good enough to take a chance on by spending even a 7th round pick.. i know he started over mend. at Ill. but its not like he did anything special while he was starting.. splitting carries every year.. so he never really beat out anyone... I cannot believe that the coaches and front office can be blind to the fact that Deuce is pretty ripped up. Three major knee injuries is big at Deuce's age. They HAVE to have a backup option. It is their JOBS to have a backup option im pretty sure they brought in Alexander just incase deuce doesnt come back fully healthy.. even though they didnt offer him a contract.. they still wanted to see what he has and could offer one at a later date.. Thomas walked on to the team, and was good enough that they sent their 3rd round pick packing. 4th They did NOT draft a running back this year . we had more pressing needs then finding another backup running back They did not aggressively pursue Michael Turner. who was going to be overpaid.. he got the chance to shine in the playoffs and he laid an egg.. They have passed on a former league MVP, who may not be the MVP he was, but would be more than sufficient sharing a backfield with Karney and Reggie . i wouldnt say they passed.. they are waiting to see how deuce does in mini camps before making a decision on bringing in another RB I am not in love with Pierre Thomas, but I hope to be soon, because he is our guy. I have faith in the Coach Payton, he is still learning and growing as a head coach, but he has proven he has an eye for personnel and the ability to get the best out of them. id say he isnt our guy but our 4th string RB If we has taken McFadden in the 1st round, happy about the pick or not, we would all expect him to jump in and be the future of the Saints. No experience, unproven, but destined to be our guy. I simply expect the same of Thomas. To me Thomas is like a new draft pick with more experience. Thomas is unproven, but less so than any draft pick. I don't see why we should not expect him to take the reigns at RB, when we would expect it from a high draft pick of course we would have expected that of McFadden.. he would have been a high 1st round pick.. those players are almost always expected to come in and play right away.. except for QBs.. just look at meachem last year.. thats y he was so disappointing.. he didnt even play at all.. back to PT.. why would you expect him to just come in and start after being 4th string all last year and starting one game at the end of the year when he was all we had? . FACT: Deuce is going to have a hard time coming back from this, and will probably not be 100% for the start of the season, if he ever is again. we thought the same thing in 2006.. when he came back better then ever... FACT: The Coaching staff obviously thinks he can handle it, because they have ignored several good opportunities to bring in a new running back. i wouldnt say the ignored it.. they have brought in players just to check the tires, so to speak FACT: Pierre Thomas is our guy . FACT: Pierre Thomas is our 3rd string RB if he beats out Stecker When it all comes down to it, Thomas has given us all more reason to think that he can succeed, than to think he will fail. Being undrafted means nothing in relation to Pierre Thomas' ability to succeed in the NFL. The fact that he is where is is, compared to where he started, is just more proof that he has the skills and the moxy to be the man for us. I am excited that the coaching staff has someone that they believe in that much. really? all that from one game? I may be being a dick again, but seeing as Canton is a college scout, I think half of his doubts about Pierre Thomas stem from the fact that a viable #1 NFL stud RB going undrafted would most certainly have to be defined as a "Massive scouting error of biblical proportions". Canton trusts the opinions of his peers, I trust the opinion of Sean Payton. who seems to think that PT is an excellent backup to Deuce, Reggie and Stecker.. i look forward to seeing him perform in mop-up duty We have our guy, Pak, and he has at least earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion. yea reggie does deserve it.. thats y he will be havin the monster year.. not your boy PT
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05-15-2008, 10:30 AM	#4
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is pierre tradeable? naw mem.....im not a college scout of players....i scout teams coming up on our schedule....usually when i scout teams players jump out at me.....i dont scout for the draft or ne thing....but....i am not a genious...but most of the coaches in the nfl are....most of the ppl in the front office are even smarter...if that manny ppl passed on PT in the draft its because he seriously lacked something coming out of college that is needed to be a starter in the NFL...idk what it was...but it was something....Tony Romo was a freak accident....Marques Colston was a freak accident....i think we have the mindset that since we drafted Colston that all of our picks will pan out...hopefully they do....but if they dont it just shows that even draft picks arent guarenteed....so...if they arent even guarenteed....what makes u think that an undrafted guy can be?....lets see....32 teams....45 players on each team....1440 players in the entire league not including practice squad....how many do u think start as undrafted free agents?.....maybe 30?....maybe....and thats including starters on ST
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05-16-2008, 08:31 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,068 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by CantonLegend but....i am not a genious... Really??!?

05-16-2008, 06:16 PM	#6
phatoosdey Drunkagen Join Date: May 2007 Location: kenner Posts: 356	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Really??!? hehe now thats funny... not to poke fun cantonlegend but most genious' spell it genius

05-16-2008, 08:14 PM	#7
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by phatoosdey hehe now thats funny... not to poke fun cantonlegend but most genious' spell it genius its all in good fun...i said i wasnt and i never claimed to be lol....i like the ability of ppl in this forum to go from being die hard and angry to jokin around with each other...thats why i love this forum so much...u guys are a great group of ppl to talk to and debate with