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Is pierre tradeable?
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05-14-2008, 11:10 PM
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Drunkagen
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Re: Is pierre tradeable?
we also have a new RB coach...it's on his shoulders...if he thought our RB situation was insufficient don't you think we would have been more aggressive addressing this position?
i'm going with PT until he proves otherwise |
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05-15-2008, 03:38 PM
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Re: Is pierre tradeable?
Saying someone is a "freak accident" is a cop-out.
Not many players make it as undrafted players - but the ones that do are not "accidents", they're talented guys who were overlooked for whatever reason. Fast Willie Parker is much more productive than Cedric Benson. On draft day, it might have been "obvious" to those who put a lot of stock in draft position that Benson was better - after all, 30+ teams passed on Parker through 7 rounds, so he's "obviously" not very good! |
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05-15-2008, 03:54 PM
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Re: Is pierre tradeable?
Originally Posted by stylee10
ok with reference to willie parker and tony romo specifically....i dont think they would be the players they are today had it not been for great player to player mentorship and the teaching of position coaches as well as others....i think that the system a player falls into may have a lot to do with the success of the player....case in point pierre..but lets take this a step further...reggie could have been a bust...it has yet to be seen...but granted payton is a great designing and drawing up plays to utilize the talents available...specifically reggie....we have arguably mastered the reverse and the end around with our slots and reggie....its easy to say that another team would have run him up the middle a few times...noticed he cant do it very well and given up on him.....i think our team is great at developing offenses for our players....i think that in another system PT may not work out...but i think in Pittsburgh just about ne running back would work....i dont know if New Orleans is the best place for PT but that still remains to be seen....he has not proven ne thing....he has shown he has and upside and a great amount of potential but he is not yet a threat in the NFL...that will hopefully be seen this year
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05-15-2008, 04:00 PM
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Re: Is pierre tradeable?
with argument to ur cedric benson statement...he was a threat...in '06...he had thomas jones to take some of the pressure off....when benson was asked to do it himself he was not able to....parker has the same sort of position in pitt....he does not have to carry the load because of the plethera of depth and talent in the pittsburgh RB rotation....besides...when u play pittsburgh u know what they are going to do...they are going to run the ball down ur throat and they dont care how....they do it because of their line....im afraid however with the departure of alan faneca that the decline of the steelers in evident and very probable for the near future
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"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd
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05-15-2008, 04:02 PM
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Re: Is pierre tradeable?
Re: One Game Wonders...
Yes Mendenhall was behind PT on the depth chart at Illinois... And Yes he had a good game... But I remember the Saints making Flipper Anderson look like AllWorld in one game, and he did what over the course of his career?!? We needed to draft a RB in R1, but we also needed to draft a DL even more... You make do with what you got and you make moves that improve your team... But, if last season didn't teach Saints Fans anything it's this...you can never have too many good RB's and a good Line... |
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05-15-2008, 04:07 PM
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Re: Is pierre tradeable?
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
i agree with almost everything u said...the defense was more of a problem that NEEDED to be dealt with....the RB position is not so much a need position as it is a wait and see position...we dont know how duece will come out of the injury...i think that if he comes out healthy that makes our RB tandum that much better....if he doesnt produce this season i think we draft a running back next year in the first round....i like the depth at RB right now....PT stepped up and did his job when we called his number....i dont know how consistantly he will be able to do that for us however....and if he doesnt do it consistantly then he wont be tradeable...but if he does...then its possible we will shop him
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"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd
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05-16-2008, 06:47 AM
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The Professor
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Re: Is pierre tradeable?
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
I'm going to take you to task on this statement. The Saints drafted a RB #2 just 2 years ago. Their RB corps is productive all the way down to the 4th string guy. Deuce, Reggie, and Stecker all being hurt at the same time was a fluke, not an expectation.
With all the needs this team has, and the fact that the Saints offense has been in the top 5 offenses in the league for the past 2 years simply does not point to the need for a first round draft pick at RB. If you haven't noticed, the engine of the Saints offense is Drew Brees. The running game is a complement, not a primary motivator. I totally disagree that the Saints needed a first round draft pick at RB. Ya'll have this man crush on Deuce as if he carries the offense. Let me clue you into his stat line for 2006, when the Saints were the #1 offense in the league: 244 rushes, 1057 yards, 4.3 YPC Dude, that's not even a pro bowl season, much less a man crush one. The bottom line is that the Saints offense needs a productive running game. All the explosiveness will come from the passing game. SFIAH |
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05-16-2008, 07:48 AM
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Re: Is pierre tradeable?
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
Ok lets take things out of context here. Duce by no means was carrying the offense in 2006. The system has changed. This is a west coast offense so the RB will never be the featured part of the system.
Roger Craigs carrier average was 4.1 YPC. 4x Pro Bowl 1985, 4.9 1987, 3.8 1988, 4.8 1989,3.9 Then again he did not have a RB like Bush sharing the backfield with him. So the fact I think he was one of the best all around backs in history is unjust? Now take a standard offense and one of the all tim greats Walter Payton was named both All-Pro and All-NFC seven times and played in nine Pro Bowl games. Payton was selected as the NFL's Most Valuable Player in 1977 and 1985, the NFL Offensive Player of the Year in 1977 and 1985 and the NFC Most Valuable Player in 1977. 1977 5.5 1985 4.8 1976, 4.5 1977, 5.5 1978, 4.2 1979, 4.4 1980, 4.6 1983, 4.5 1984, 4.4 1985, 4.8 1986, 4.2 This sounds like type of RB you want. But that kind of RB will never get the carries needed either to put up those numbers. We are talking 13 to 1600 yards a season here. Thats with over 300 carries a year. Craig broke the 300 carries mark just once in his career. In 2006 we had 472 rushes and 372 passes. Duce averaged 4.3 on 244 rushes. Not bad. I will take that all day long. Two different system and two different types of back. Both pro bowlers |
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05-16-2008, 08:14 AM
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Re: Is pierre tradeable?
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
the fact is that every team needs a solid running game....the idea of our offense in '06 was to compliment our passing game well with a solid run game....in '07 it dropped off obviously because of injury but mostly because we were without duece....when our #1 was hurt it was obvious what we were going to do....we had to pass.....when duece is healthy we dont have to....with duece in there he allows flexability of our offense...we can end around with reggie or we can swing pass or quick 3 step drop or run up the middle or sweep....he allows up to do so much just by being on the field...there isnt another running back on our squad that allows us the flexability of all that just by simply being on the field....duece helps reggie by making the defense take care of the middle and then that leaves reggie 1-1 on the outside and usually he wins those....duece doesnt have to carry the offense to be a vital part of it....all he simply has to do is be on the field....when he was hurt last year he couldnt do that...the fact that we drafted reggie in '05 doesnt really matter because he wasnt meant to be our starting running back....he was meant to be a satellite from day 1....reggie is an outstanding player but he was never a true RB....if a team needs a RB they go after him in round 1...idk if its a need position yet but when we decide it is....we will be drafting one in the 1st round
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