Is pierre tradeable?

CantonLegend · 05-17-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

You believe that the matchups are different. But there's very little supporting evidence to support that observation. As I said in another post, Deuce going down moved Bush into the I back position. That was the loss of flexibility.

I assert once again with my Chicago game as evidence, that PT23 can be productive in that I back position, and be productive enough to free Bush to go back to being the X factor.

SFIAH

PT didnt have reggie at all in that game so u cant use that as an example....PT was all alone and he did what we needed...there isnt evidence other than game films showing who was open on routes....and even then its difficult to see because drew often gets rid of the ball when he finds the open man...he doesnt wait for a safety to come up and cover the slot or RB in the flats

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-18-2008, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

PT didnt have reggie at all in that game so u cant use that as an example....PT was all alone and he did what we needed...there isnt evidence other than game films showing who was open on routes....and even then its difficult to see because drew often gets rid of the ball when he finds the open man...he doesnt wait for a safety to come up and cover the slot or RB in the flats

Your quote:

PT was all alone and he did what we needed

Now don't you think that if he can pull it off by himself, that he definitely can fill the slot when coupled with Bush?

SFIAH

hagan714 · 05-18-2008, 09:39 AM

agreed Pak. I think the chicago game gave him the right to play more and thats it. He earned his shot at more playing time. Thats all.

Doctor Saint · 05-18-2008, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

Ideally we want duece back...if that happens then that obviously makes Pierre expendable....everybody on these forums seem to have fallen madly in love with him after last seasons performance...but if we have a healthy duece then we dont need him....he could be traded for someone we do want or a need position to fill....ne ideas or thoughts on the subject?

its possible that we trade him but its not likely at all. he showcased his talent in the bears game last season. he showed that he can be a true number 1. we will get to see a lot more of him this year. if he is worth ne thing it will be seen this year. for the money we are paying him he will be a saint for a few years at least simply because he'll be productive and inexpensive

pakowitz · 05-18-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Doctor Saint

he showcased his talent in the bears game last season. he showed that he can be a true number 1.

i think he showed that he deserves some more playing time.. not that he can be a true #1... if he can keep producing like that over the course of a whole season then we will know if he can be a true #1 or not...

alot of people who like PT have written off reggie as being an everydown back which i think is a crazy thing to do... when reggie is on the field he is the most watched player out there.. and u cant argue that...

while PT is a relatively unknown player who most likely wasnt a huge threat, he performed very well in the bears game and i applaude him for that.. but im not going to say he should be our #1 based on one game and him being a relative unknown threat at the time...

ssaints4ever · 05-18-2008, 04:30 PM

Deuce is getting up there, we should keep Pierre as Deuce's replacement. Deuce will not be around for long..... and if Reggie keeps running the ball the way he has been, we will need a RB.

pakowitz · 05-18-2008, 04:45 PM

Pierre is not going to be deuces replacement.. everyone keeps saying that like he will be a bruising pounding RB.. he isnt that type of back.. hes the same height as reggie and 5 lbs heavier... he isnt a bruiser...

Doctor Saint · 05-19-2008, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

Pierre is not going to be deuces replacement.. everyone keeps saying that like he will be a bruising pounding RB.. he isnt that type of back.. hes the same height as reggie and 5 lbs heavier... he isnt a bruiser...

pierre wont be dueces replacement but there is no doubt that the kid has talent. Reggie isnt an everydown back. if he was he would have more TDs than fumbles. everydown backs dont fumble that much. i hope he secures the ball more this season because that will mean he has an even bigger upside than he did when we drafted him. PT isnt a pounder tho but i dont think he needed to be to be effective last season. he did more or less exactly what stecker did. PT and stecker could be a good 1-2 punch but without a true knockout starter like duece or reggie we wont have that great run game that we've prided ourself on

dasaints26 · 05-18-2008, 08:06 PM

Which of our 4 RB had a YPC over 4 yards?

Our 2nd overall pick? No it wasnt Reggie.

Our other 1st round pick? No Deuce went out early with a injury

Our 3rd down back? Nope it wasnt Stecker.

Our undrafted 4th string RB? PT had the highest average per carry so he is my obvious choice to be traded or maybe just cut from the team. I dont care how he became a Saint or where he went to college if he can average 4.5 YPC I say give him a couple more chances and get him involved in some games a little earlier in the season.

hagan714 · 05-18-2008, 08:36 PM

All I want out of PT is a solid #3 for the future. If we get him up to the #2 position we got on of the best steals in draft history. No one and I mean no one will ever replace Duce. But we do need to keep our eyes open. The clock is ticking.

05-18-2008, 12:47 PM	#4
Doctor Saint Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 11	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by CantonLegend Ideally we want duece back...if that happens then that obviously makes Pierre expendable....everybody on these forums seem to have fallen madly in love with him after last seasons performance...but if we have a healthy duece then we dont need him....he could be traded for someone we do want or a need position to fill....ne ideas or thoughts on the subject? its possible that we trade him but its not likely at all. he showcased his talent in the bears game last season. he showed that he can be a true number 1. we will get to see a lot more of him this year. if he is worth ne thing it will be seen this year. for the money we are paying him he will be a saint for a few years at least simply because he'll be productive and inexpensive
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05-18-2008, 03:55 PM	#5
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by Doctor Saint he showcased his talent in the bears game last season. he showed that he can be a true number 1. i think he showed that he deserves some more playing time.. not that he can be a true #1... if he can keep producing like that over the course of a whole season then we will know if he can be a true #1 or not... alot of people who like PT have written off reggie as being an everydown back which i think is a crazy thing to do... when reggie is on the field he is the most watched player out there.. and u cant argue that... while PT is a relatively unknown player who most likely wasnt a huge threat, he performed very well in the bears game and i applaude him for that.. but im not going to say he should be our #1 based on one game and him being a relative unknown threat at the time...
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05-18-2008, 04:30 PM	#6
ssaints4ever King Ssaint Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Deuce is getting up there, we should keep Pierre as Deuce's replacement. Deuce will not be around for long..... and if Reggie keeps running the ball the way he has been, we will need a RB.

05-18-2008, 04:45 PM	#7
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Pierre is not going to be deuces replacement.. everyone keeps saying that like he will be a bruising pounding RB.. he isnt that type of back.. hes the same height as reggie and 5 lbs heavier... he isnt a bruiser...

05-19-2008, 03:03 AM	#8
Doctor Saint Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 11	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by pakowitz Pierre is not going to be deuces replacement.. everyone keeps saying that like he will be a bruising pounding RB.. he isnt that type of back.. hes the same height as reggie and 5 lbs heavier... he isnt a bruiser... pierre wont be dueces replacement but there is no doubt that the kid has talent. Reggie isnt an everydown back. if he was he would have more TDs than fumbles. everydown backs dont fumble that much. i hope he secures the ball more this season because that will mean he has an even bigger upside than he did when we drafted him. PT isnt a pounder tho but i dont think he needed to be to be effective last season. he did more or less exactly what stecker did. PT and stecker could be a good 1-2 punch but without a true knockout starter like duece or reggie we wont have that great run game that we've prided ourself on
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05-17-2008, 06:47 PM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL You believe that the matchups are different. But there's very little supporting evidence to support that observation. As I said in another post, Deuce going down moved Bush into the I back position. That was the loss of flexibility. I assert once again with my Chicago game as evidence, that PT23 can be productive in that I back position, and be productive enough to free Bush to go back to being the X factor. SFIAH PT didnt have reggie at all in that game so u cant use that as an example....PT was all alone and he did what we needed...there isnt evidence other than game films showing who was open on routes....and even then its difficult to see because drew often gets rid of the ball when he finds the open man...he doesnt wait for a safety to come up and cover the slot or RB in the flats

05-18-2008, 06:04 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by CantonLegend PT didnt have reggie at all in that game so u cant use that as an example....PT was all alone and he did what we needed...there isnt evidence other than game films showing who was open on routes....and even then its difficult to see because drew often gets rid of the ball when he finds the open man...he doesnt wait for a safety to come up and cover the slot or RB in the flats Your quote: PT was all alone and he did what we needed Now don't you think that if he can pull it off by himself, that he definitely can fill the slot when coupled with Bush? SFIAH

05-18-2008, 09:39 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Is pierre tradeable? agreed Pak. I think the chicago game gave him the right to play more and thats it. He earned his shot at more playing time. Thats all.

05-18-2008, 08:06 PM	#9
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Which of our 4 RB had a YPC over 4 yards? Our 2nd overall pick? No it wasnt Reggie. Our other 1st round pick? No Deuce went out early with a injury Our 3rd down back? Nope it wasnt Stecker. Our undrafted 4th string RB? PT had the highest average per carry so he is my obvious choice to be traded or maybe just cut from the team. I dont care how he became a Saint or where he went to college if he can average 4.5 YPC I say give him a couple more chances and get him involved in some games a little earlier in the season.
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05-18-2008, 08:36 PM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Is pierre tradeable? All I want out of PT is a solid #3 for the future. If we get him up to the #2 position we got on of the best steals in draft history. No one and I mean no one will ever replace Duce. But we do need to keep our eyes open. The clock is ticking.