Is pierre tradeable?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-16-2008, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the fact is that every team needs a solid running game....

You use solid, I use productive. It means the same thing.

the idea of our offense in '06 was to compliment our passing game well with a solid run game....in '07 it dropped off obviously because of injury but mostly because we were without duece....

The problem here is that I always use numbers to back up claims like that. New Orleans Saints Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.com will give you all the Saints stats for any year you like. So let's compare the seasons:

2006: 472 rushes for 1761 yards 3.7 YPC 110 YPG

2007: 392 rushes for 1466 yards 3.7 YPC 91 YPG

So the crew averaged 5 less rushes per game and 20 less yards per game. Yet the YPC was exactly the same both years.

when our #1 was hurt it was obvious what we were going to do....we had to pass.....when duece is healthy we dont have to....with duece in there he allows flexability of our offense...

Those pesky statistics again. Brees had 580 attempts in 2006 and 652 in 2007. Only 4.5 attempts per game more.

So I guess the Saints had to pass in 2006 when Deuce played all 16 games too?

we can end around with reggie or we can swing pass or quick 3 step drop or run up the middle or sweep....he allows up to do so much just by being on the field...there isnt another running back on our squad that allows us the flexability of all that just by simply being on the field....duece helps reggie by making the defense take care of the middle and then that leaves reggie 1-1 on the outside and usually he wins those....duece doesnt have to carry the offense to be a vital part of it....all he simply has to do is be on the field....when he was hurt last year he couldnt do that...the fact that we drafted reggie in '05 doesnt really matter because he wasnt meant to be our starting running back....he was meant to be a satellite from day 1....reggie is an outstanding player but he was never a true RB....if a team needs a RB they go after him in round 1...idk if its a need position yet but when we decide it is....we will be drafting one in the 1st round

I presume you meant that Reggie wasn't meant to be our starting RB. That's still an open question.

The mistake I think you're making here is thinking that Deuce is the reason for all this flexibility. I believe it's that power I tailback slot that creates that flexibility, not the player. You have all the right reasons listed above. But I don't think that it's the player that creates the mismatches for Reggie, but having a productive back in that slot.

When Deuce got hurt Reggie moved into that power I back slot. He's much easier to contain from there because now you don't have him out on the slot or on the edge creating mismatches as he can't be two places at once.

There's no reason to think that PT23 can't get 200 rushes @ 5 YPC from the power I slot. That's productive and leaves Reggie to roam around the offense creating mismatches.

But in the end it's simply a reiteration of what I started with. The Saints' offense is a two back system where both back combine to create a productive and flexible running game.

We don't need a first round pick to to couple with Reggie to make that system work. And it doesn't have to be Deuce all the time in that slot.

Rotate all 4 guys. They can all catch, they can all block, they can all run, they can be interchangable in Paytons two back offense.

SFIAH

05-16-2008, 10:43 AM	#11
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by CantonLegend the fact is that every team needs a solid running game.... You use solid, I use productive. It means the same thing. the idea of our offense in '06 was to compliment our passing game well with a solid run game....in '07 it dropped off obviously because of injury but mostly because we were without duece.... The problem here is that I always use numbers to back up claims like that. New Orleans Saints Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.com will give you all the Saints stats for any year you like. So let's compare the seasons: 2006: 472 rushes for 1761 yards 3.7 YPC 110 YPG 2007: 392 rushes for 1466 yards 3.7 YPC 91 YPG So the crew averaged 5 less rushes per game and 20 less yards per game. Yet the YPC was exactly the same both years. when our #1 was hurt it was obvious what we were going to do....we had to pass.....when duece is healthy we dont have to....with duece in there he allows flexability of our offense... Those pesky statistics again. Brees had 580 attempts in 2006 and 652 in 2007. Only 4.5 attempts per game more. So I guess the Saints had to pass in 2006 when Deuce played all 16 games too? we can end around with reggie or we can swing pass or quick 3 step drop or run up the middle or sweep....he allows up to do so much just by being on the field...there isnt another running back on our squad that allows us the flexability of all that just by simply being on the field....duece helps reggie by making the defense take care of the middle and then that leaves reggie 1-1 on the outside and usually he wins those....duece doesnt have to carry the offense to be a vital part of it....all he simply has to do is be on the field....when he was hurt last year he couldnt do that...the fact that we drafted reggie in '05 doesnt really matter because he wasnt meant to be our starting running back....he was meant to be a satellite from day 1....reggie is an outstanding player but he was never a true RB....if a team needs a RB they go after him in round 1...idk if its a need position yet but when we decide it is....we will be drafting one in the 1st round I presume you meant that Reggie wasn't meant to be our starting RB. That's still an open question. The mistake I think you're making here is thinking that Deuce is the reason for all this flexibility. I believe it's that power I tailback slot that creates that flexibility, not the player. You have all the right reasons listed above. But I don't think that it's the player that creates the mismatches for Reggie, but having a productive back in that slot. When Deuce got hurt Reggie moved into that power I back slot. He's much easier to contain from there because now you don't have him out on the slot or on the edge creating mismatches as he can't be two places at once. There's no reason to think that PT23 can't get 200 rushes @ 5 YPC from the power I slot. That's productive and leaves Reggie to roam around the offense creating mismatches. But in the end it's simply a reiteration of what I started with. The Saints' offense is a two back system where both back combine to create a productive and flexible running game. We don't need a first round pick to to couple with Reggie to make that system work. And it doesn't have to be Deuce all the time in that slot. Rotate all 4 guys. They can all catch, they can all block, they can all run, they can be interchangable in Paytons two back offense. SFIAH
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