Is pierre tradeable?

CantonLegend · 05-16-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

The problem here is that I always use numbers to back up claims like that. New Orleans Saints Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.com will give you all the Saints stats for any year you like. So let's compare the seasons:

the thing about statistics is that they dont always show how a team plays....they show the outcome...but they wont show that a linebacker was man up against reggie or if a safety had to cover him instead...it wont show that the linebacker jumped on a play fake cuz duece is a real threat up the gut...u make very good points using stats and usually i love ppl that back up claims with facts and figures...however in this case....its more about overall value than it is stats....also...with the passing and rushing stats from the past 2 years....i agree we only passed a few more times.....but the run vs pass was different.....meaning...we knew in '06 that we had a guy to run up the middle and pound out those last few yards where as in '07 we didnt have that reassurance....we had to make up for it by passing those 4.5 more times or w/e u said it was....that could've meant the difference between another field goal or a first down etc...do u see where im going with this?....maybe not...maybe im just rambling....do i have a point or am i completely off the wall....i tend to do that sometimes too

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-17-2008, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the thing about statistics is that they dont always show how a team plays....they show the outcome...but they wont show that a linebacker was man up against reggie or if a safety had to cover him instead...it wont show that the linebacker jumped on a play fake cuz duece is a real threat up the gut...u make very good points using stats and usually i love ppl that back up claims with facts and figures...however in this case....its more about overall value than it is stats....also...with the passing and rushing stats from the past 2 years....i agree we only passed a few more times.....but the run vs pass was different.....meaning...we knew in '06 that we had a guy to run up the middle and pound out those last few yards where as in '07 we didnt have that reassurance....we had to make up for it by passing those 4.5 more times or w/e u said it was....that could've meant the difference between another field goal or a first down etc...do u see where im going with this?....maybe not...maybe im just rambling....do i have a point or am i completely off the wall....i tend to do that sometimes too

Canton,

Close your eyes and repeat after me. It's time once again for the SFIAH mantra:

The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful.

26th in the league in defense.

The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful.

32 passing TD given up.

The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful.

30th against the pass.

The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful.

Jason David. Nuff Said.

The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful.

No pass rush.

The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful.

Limited sacks

The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful.

54 pass plays of 20 yards or more.

The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful.

15 plays of 40 yards or more (tied for league high).

The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful.

Made an insurance salesman (Redmond) and a rookie (Gray) look like Joe Montana.

The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful.

Did not generate enough turnovers.

OK. Now you can open your eyes.

The Saints were slinging the ball all over the field because they were behind a lot of the time. Brees threw 18 picks because they were behind a lot of the time. The Saints didn't run the ball because they were behind a lot of time.

This offense finished 4th in yards and 12th in scoring last year. By the end of the year they were on their 4th back. In that game the offense still scored 25 points.

Of course they lost because the defense gave up 33.

If the Saints defense had improved their bad numbers by 50 percent, the team would have gone 11-5, and won the South.

As I keep saying, it's not about the running game, or the TE, or the receivers, or the O-line, or about anything on offense. If the Saints offense can only cut down on the turnovers, they'll be in the top 3 in yards and scoring once again.

We have the backs to keep defenses honest. That's all that needs to be done.

Just remember the mantra.

SFIAH

05-16-2008, 03:15 PM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL The problem here is that I always use numbers to back up claims like that. New Orleans Saints Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.com will give you all the Saints stats for any year you like. So let's compare the seasons: the thing about statistics is that they dont always show how a team plays....they show the outcome...but they wont show that a linebacker was man up against reggie or if a safety had to cover him instead...it wont show that the linebacker jumped on a play fake cuz duece is a real threat up the gut...u make very good points using stats and usually i love ppl that back up claims with facts and figures...however in this case....its more about overall value than it is stats....also...with the passing and rushing stats from the past 2 years....i agree we only passed a few more times.....but the run vs pass was different.....meaning...we knew in '06 that we had a guy to run up the middle and pound out those last few yards where as in '07 we didnt have that reassurance....we had to make up for it by passing those 4.5 more times or w/e u said it was....that could've meant the difference between another field goal or a first down etc...do u see where im going with this?....maybe not...maybe im just rambling....do i have a point or am i completely off the wall....i tend to do that sometimes too
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05-17-2008, 06:52 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Is pierre tradeable? Originally Posted by CantonLegend the thing about statistics is that they dont always show how a team plays....they show the outcome...but they wont show that a linebacker was man up against reggie or if a safety had to cover him instead...it wont show that the linebacker jumped on a play fake cuz duece is a real threat up the gut...u make very good points using stats and usually i love ppl that back up claims with facts and figures...however in this case....its more about overall value than it is stats....also...with the passing and rushing stats from the past 2 years....i agree we only passed a few more times.....but the run vs pass was different.....meaning...we knew in '06 that we had a guy to run up the middle and pound out those last few yards where as in '07 we didnt have that reassurance....we had to make up for it by passing those 4.5 more times or w/e u said it was....that could've meant the difference between another field goal or a first down etc...do u see where im going with this?....maybe not...maybe im just rambling....do i have a point or am i completely off the wall....i tend to do that sometimes too Canton, Close your eyes and repeat after me. It's time once again for the SFIAH mantra: The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful. 26th in the league in defense. The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful. 32 passing TD given up. The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful. 30th against the pass. The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful. Jason David. Nuff Said. The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful. No pass rush. The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful. Limited sacks The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful. 54 pass plays of 20 yards or more. The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful. 15 plays of 40 yards or more (tied for league high). The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful. Made an insurance salesman (Redmond) and a rookie (Gray) look like Joe Montana. The Saints lost in 2007 because the defense was awful. Did not generate enough turnovers. OK. Now you can open your eyes. The Saints were slinging the ball all over the field because they were behind a lot of the time. Brees threw 18 picks because they were behind a lot of the time. The Saints didn't run the ball because they were behind a lot of time. This offense finished 4th in yards and 12th in scoring last year. By the end of the year they were on their 4th back. In that game the offense still scored 25 points. Of course they lost because the defense gave up 33. If the Saints defense had improved their bad numbers by 50 percent, the team would have gone 11-5, and won the South. As I keep saying, it's not about the running game, or the TE, or the receivers, or the O-line, or about anything on offense. If the Saints offense can only cut down on the turnovers, they'll be in the top 3 in yards and scoring once again. We have the backs to keep defenses honest. That's all that needs to be done. Just remember the mantra. SFIAH
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