Best Saints Running Back

papz · 09-29-2009, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Don't waste too much time on that.. the issue is, on another thread, Canton declared PT was no Matt Forte, how PT was average at best, and wouldn't even start on any NFC North team. I had to show him the error in his ways

Now, after a game where PT had the flu, a tweaked knee, had to take IVs for dehydration, the passing game wasn't effective, he comes in on the second half and in 2 quarters puts up 120+ yards rushing and 2 TDs, the only thing Canton can say is "PT played well".

You forgot the last part.

PT played well... against an already worn down defense.

D_it_up · 09-29-2009, 01:19 PM

Some people will just never get it. I'm still trying to figure out how Bell was a stud in '06. He had one game of over 100 yards that year, played the majority of the year behind an offensive line that was notorious for being excellent under Shanahan and only averaged 4.3 YPC, and scored less TD's in 15 games than Pierre scored last year in 9 games. Pierre also had 30 less carries last year compared to Bell in '06. Tatum Bell was ahead of him on the depth chart. Where is Tatum Bell now? Mike Bell played great in preseason. I give him that. However, Payton said himself that PT was the starter going into the season. The only reason Bell got the opportunity was because of PT's knee. I ask again. Does PT lose the job because of injury? If this is the case and Bell "earned" the starting job over PT, then shouldn't the same apply here? Shouldn't Bell lose his "starting" spot that he so greatly "earned" since he hurt his knee? Do your homework, Canton, because you are failing miserably to prove your point.

D_it_up · 09-29-2009, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

lol you look at my post and think of how idiotic i am.....how can i not credit PT for having a great game and being our best running back when he was sick, when he ran for over 100 yards in one half alone

in another thread i said i wasnt goin to get into it but i have a minute before i have to leave for work so i might as well fit in as much as possible

bell was a stud in 2006 before being moved to a position in which he clearly wasnt built and comfortable to play.....bell is back in his natural position and IMO has earned the starting job....PT didnt lose it, bell just earned it

PT didnt play the first half so he was completely fresh for the second half......you say he had an IV...thats the first ive heard of it but he was fresh against a defense that didnt want to play.....he got 3 or 4 big runs near the end of the game that amounted in nearly all of his yardage....it wasnt that he was consistantly getting big gainers, he was getting stopped and then all of a sudden, he broke free

the bills defense was ranked 31st against one of the all time best passing offenses the league has ever seen......when the game was on the line, do you really think they were concerned with stopping the run? they were worried about stopping drew brees and we continued to run the ball......i will credit sean payton and our offensive line with that.....but PT made a great move on his first TD and i'll give him credit for that

the reason i fail to acknowledge PT as our best back is because i dont think he is....i think hes average....i think he does a lot of things well but not one thing great.....bell and reggie both have their talents.

alright im late i'll finish this when i get home

A few more things and I'll be done schooling you.

What in the heck gives you the idea that the Bills D didn't want to play in the 2nd half? They were down THREE POINTS? Seriously, Canton? I actually laughed out loud at that comment, because of how asanine it was. I won't even continue on that comment.

Secondly, it wasn't ME who said he had an IV. It was THE FRIGGEN HEAD COACH!!! Did you watch the clip? I just repeated what SEAN PAYTON said. Again, I will not elaborate anymore on your comment about this, because it isn't worth wasting anymore breath over.

How can you NOT credit a guy for playing sick? You never did. All you said in another post is that "he played well". That is a huge understatment. He was given the rock and he shined. If Mike Bell had done the same thing Pierre did in the 2nd half against a "tired, worn down team", you would be shining his jock for him.

Finally, PT does a lot of things well, but not one thing great? He finds the end zone......A LOT. Regardless of any other stat he puts up, that is the most important. 11 TD's in his last 10 games says that he AT LEAST does that great. There is no lame argument that you can come up with that can disprove that. Good luck trying.

Budsdrinker · 09-29-2009, 01:40 PM

Don't know what a prefer, you guys duking it out every other post or looking at the twins' twins.

D_it_up · 09-29-2009, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Don't know what a prefer, you guys duking it out every other post or looking at the twins' twins.

LOL. Well, you can bet I won't be wasting my energy anymore on this dead horse. I'll just enjoy the twins' twins with you.

Budsdrinker · 09-29-2009, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by D_it_up2

LOL. Well, you can bet I won't be wasting my energy anymore on this dead horse. I'll just enjoy the twins' twins with you.

No No keep it up, the more you post the more enjoyment I get!!

Donuts32 · 09-29-2009, 02:56 PM

I think Reggie Bush is starting to be good. He showed it against the Bills. He could have had 100 yrds that day. Hes just not getting enough touches this year.

ScottF · 09-29-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

I'm with SFIAH. Bush doesn't excite me that much anymore.

Heh Heh Heh.
Do your wives know about you two yet?

foreverfan · 09-29-2009, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Heh Heh Heh.
Do your wives know about you two yet?

Fleured · 09-29-2009, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i voted mike bell of course....we asked the first 2 weeks and most people said bell....we ask this after PT returns and we get PT as the answer
pierre beat up on a worn down, tired defense at the end of the game.....the line openned ridiculous holes for PT and reggie late in the game
i cant give it to PT right now just because of what we know bell can do....IMO PT will have his chance to earn his spot back but i still gotta give it to bell for now

Buffalo's defense was totally gassed in the 4th but Pierre is still potent. But I pick Bell as our best RB. Nothing like a chip on the shoulder to put my confidence in a running back. Get well soon, Mike!

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09-29-2009, 12:16 PM	#21
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Re: Best Saints Running Back Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Don't waste too much time on that.. the issue is, on another thread, Canton declared PT was no Matt Forte, how PT was average at best, and wouldn't even start on any NFC North team. I had to show him the error in his ways Now, after a game where PT had the flu, a tweaked knee, had to take IVs for dehydration, the passing game wasn't effective, he comes in on the second half and in 2 quarters puts up 120+ yards rushing and 2 TDs, the only thing Canton can say is "PT played well". You forgot the last part. PT played well... against an already worn down defense.

09-29-2009, 01:19 PM	#22
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Best Saints Running Back Some people will just never get it. I'm still trying to figure out how Bell was a stud in '06. He had one game of over 100 yards that year, played the majority of the year behind an offensive line that was notorious for being excellent under Shanahan and only averaged 4.3 YPC, and scored less TD's in 15 games than Pierre scored last year in 9 games. Pierre also had 30 less carries last year compared to Bell in '06. Tatum Bell was ahead of him on the depth chart. Where is Tatum Bell now? Mike Bell played great in preseason. I give him that. However, Payton said himself that PT was the starter going into the season. The only reason Bell got the opportunity was because of PT's knee. I ask again. Does PT lose the job because of injury? If this is the case and Bell "earned" the starting job over PT, then shouldn't the same apply here? Shouldn't Bell lose his "starting" spot that he so greatly "earned" since he hurt his knee? Do your homework, Canton, because you are failing miserably to prove your point.
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09-29-2009, 01:35 PM	#23
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Best Saints Running Back Originally Posted by CantonLegend lol you look at my post and think of how idiotic i am.....how can i not credit PT for having a great game and being our best running back when he was sick, when he ran for over 100 yards in one half alone in another thread i said i wasnt goin to get into it but i have a minute before i have to leave for work so i might as well fit in as much as possible bell was a stud in 2006 before being moved to a position in which he clearly wasnt built and comfortable to play.....bell is back in his natural position and IMO has earned the starting job....PT didnt lose it, bell just earned it PT didnt play the first half so he was completely fresh for the second half......you say he had an IV...thats the first ive heard of it but he was fresh against a defense that didnt want to play.....he got 3 or 4 big runs near the end of the game that amounted in nearly all of his yardage....it wasnt that he was consistantly getting big gainers, he was getting stopped and then all of a sudden, he broke free the bills defense was ranked 31st against one of the all time best passing offenses the league has ever seen......when the game was on the line, do you really think they were concerned with stopping the run? they were worried about stopping drew brees and we continued to run the ball......i will credit sean payton and our offensive line with that.....but PT made a great move on his first TD and i'll give him credit for that the reason i fail to acknowledge PT as our best back is because i dont think he is....i think hes average....i think he does a lot of things well but not one thing great.....bell and reggie both have their talents. alright im late i'll finish this when i get home A few more things and I'll be done schooling you. What in the heck gives you the idea that the Bills D didn't want to play in the 2nd half? They were down THREE POINTS? Seriously, Canton? I actually laughed out loud at that comment, because of how asanine it was. I won't even continue on that comment. Secondly, it wasn't ME who said he had an IV. It was THE FRIGGEN HEAD COACH!!! Did you watch the clip? I just repeated what SEAN PAYTON said. Again, I will not elaborate anymore on your comment about this, because it isn't worth wasting anymore breath over. How can you NOT credit a guy for playing sick? You never did. All you said in another post is that "he played well". That is a huge understatment. He was given the rock and he shined. If Mike Bell had done the same thing Pierre did in the 2nd half against a "tired, worn down team", you would be shining his jock for him. Finally, PT does a lot of things well, but not one thing great? He finds the end zone......A LOT. Regardless of any other stat he puts up, that is the most important. 11 TD's in his last 10 games says that he AT LEAST does that great. There is no lame argument that you can come up with that can disprove that. Good luck trying.
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09-29-2009, 01:40 PM	#24
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09-29-2009, 01:43 PM	#25
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Best Saints Running Back Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Don't know what a prefer, you guys duking it out every other post or looking at the twins' twins. LOL. Well, you can bet I won't be wasting my energy anymore on this dead horse. I'll just enjoy the twins' twins with you.

09-29-2009, 01:54 PM	#26
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Best Saints Running Back Originally Posted by D_it_up2 LOL. Well, you can bet I won't be wasting my energy anymore on this dead horse. I'll just enjoy the twins' twins with you. No No keep it up, the more you post the more enjoyment I get!!

09-29-2009, 02:56 PM	#27
Donuts32 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Orleans,La Posts: 306	Re: Best Saints Running Back I think Reggie Bush is starting to be good. He showed it against the Bills. He could have had 100 yrds that day. Hes just not getting enough touches this year.

09-29-2009, 03:36 PM	#28
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Best Saints Running Back Originally Posted by foreverfan I'm with SFIAH. Bush doesn't excite me that much anymore. Heh Heh Heh. Do your wives know about you two yet?

09-29-2009, 04:47 PM	#29
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Best Saints Running Back Originally Posted by ScottF Heh Heh Heh. Do your wives know about you two yet?

09-29-2009, 04:49 PM	#30
Fleured The NY Geaux Getter Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 348	Re: Best Saints Running Back Originally Posted by CantonLegend i voted mike bell of course....we asked the first 2 weeks and most people said bell....we ask this after PT returns and we get PT as the answer pierre beat up on a worn down, tired defense at the end of the game.....the line openned ridiculous holes for PT and reggie late in the game i cant give it to PT right now just because of what we know bell can do....IMO PT will have his chance to earn his spot back but i still gotta give it to bell for now Buffalo's defense was totally gassed in the 4th but Pierre is still potent. But I pick Bell as our best RB. Nothing like a chip on the shoulder to put my confidence in a running back. Get well soon, Mike!