Saints put LT BRown on IR

papz · 09-30-2009, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

we have created stability, but not on the offensive line.....our offensive line has been pretty inconsistant if you look at the 3rd and shorts that we missed or if you look at the penalties

And yet we're number one in the league on offense. I don't see how you can't put one and one together. Production is what matters... and we're producing.

while brown was good for a few penalties every year, he was our best lineman and many of you think that evans has been our best lineman, but evans has fallen off a bit and because of the pressure and responsibility of the LT position, brown has come out as the most important and best lineman on the team

I feel Brown is our best lineman also... never said he wasn't in the first place. You're preaching to the choir.

out of necessity, not talent......we didnt want to pay faine so he walked

carl nicks is one of the best young linemen in the league.....he will be our best lineman in a few years and he will be a stud.....nesbit was replaced because nicks was better

due to injury......brown has not been replaced because bushrod has been playing terribly and streif isnt as fast or as strong as brown

I'm showing you that we've been plugging just like the Pats and Indy has and we consistent produce at a high level? Does it matter why who replaced who? Whoever has been put there in that position, has produced. In highsight, it's easy to say Player A was better than Player B which is why they were replaced... in highsight. At that point in time which they were replaced, they were inexperienced young players with everything to prove. No one knew what to expect.

this is a post just to get under my skin i think but its laughable at best......our offensive line isnt something we can mess with......it has helped create the #1 offense in the league and losing one of the cornerstones is a big deal.......anyway you spin it

We have an it's working. The Pats have and it's worked. The Colts have and it's working.

sure its a big deal if we lose vilma because we dont have a solid backup.....but its not a big deal because we lose the second most important position in all of football? im sorry but you are wrong here

Huh? No one is saying it's not a big deal which is how you're interpreting this. What is being said is that we'll manage without him... life goes on. He's a Pro Bowl talent. It would be stupid to say he's not a big loss... which is why no one is saying it. Some just choose to be logical and optimistic at the same time... the sky isn't going to fall because Brown isn't on the field. We're not going to stop winning games because Brown isn't on the field. We're 3-0 with the top offense in the league again... he'll be missed but we'll survive.

CantonLegend · 09-30-2009, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by papz

And yet we're number one in the league on offense. I don't see how you can't put one and one together. Production is what matters... and we're producing.

now we are just arguing to argue....whatever

production isnt what matters....you said we were consistant.....we arent consistant, but we have produced...3 games doesnt make us consistant.....especially when we've played 3 teams that are collectively 4-6

I feel Brown is our best lineman also... never said he wasn't in the first place. You're preaching to the choir.

you are implying that we are ok because brown is injured because we have solid backups and i am saying its not ok because our solid backups arent very solid

I'm showing you that we've been plugging just like the Pats and Indy has and we consistent produce at a high level? Does it matter why who replaced who? Whoever has been put there in that position, has produced. In highsight, it's easy to say Player A was better than Player B which is why they were replaced... in highsight. At that point in time which they were replaced, they were inexperienced young players with everything to prove. No one knew what to expect.

believe it or not, i know a little bit about offensive linemen and i was well aware of how nicks was playing at guard......ive watched jermon bushrod the past 3 games and ive watched jammal brown over the past few seasons.....you said whoever we have put in has produced, but bushrod would've allowed 6 more sacks in the lions game if not for brees avoiding the DE that bushrod completely missed.....brees cant do that all the time and eventually hes going to get clobbered

Huh? No one is saying it's not a big deal which is how you're interpreting this. What is being said is that we'll manage without him... life goes on. He's a Pro Bowl talent. It would be stupid to say he's not a big loss... which is why no one is saying it. Some just choose to be logical and optimistic at the same time... the sky isn't going to fall because Brown isn't on the field. We're not going to stop winning games because Brown isn't on the field. We're 3-0 with the top offense in the league again... he'll be missed but we'll survive.

you are saying its not a big deal because we have 2 other tackles to replace him....im not saying the sky is falling, just that the options we have at tackle are going to hurt us long term......if you watch the games you can see how bushrod has played.....he is going to get drew hurt and then we arent going to "survive"......we lose brown and then the pieces start to fall....

im saying we need to figure something out before we get drew hurt and not afterwards

papz · 09-30-2009, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

now we are just arguing to argue....whatever

You've got yourself pegged.

production isnt what matters....you said we were consistant.....we arent consistant, but we have produced...3 games doesnt make us consistant.....especially when we've played 3 teams that are collectively 4-6

Production doesn't matter? If you don't produce in this league, you won't win many games. Right now 3-0. That's a ridiculous statement to make. We've consistently had the one of the top offenses in the league for the past 3 years... and 3 games into the season, we are continually having success. That is consistency. What difference does it make if our opponents are 4-6? Does a win, a catch, a pass, a tackle, a touchdown count any less against a winning versus a losing team? Let's not pretend Philly and Buffalo have crappy defenses either. Coming into the game, all of our opponents had record of 500 or better. So that 4-6 stat our yours have little significance in my book.

you are implying that we are ok because brown is injured because we have solid backups and i am saying its not ok because our solid backups arent very solid

I'm not implying nothing. I flat out said it. Whether or not you feel our backups aren't solid enough, well... that's your opinion. All I know is that we're 3-0 with the best offense in the league... which should speak volumes for itself.

believe it or not, i know a little bit about offensive linemen and i was well aware of how nicks was playing at guard......ive watched jermon bushrod the past 3 games and ive watched jammal brown over the past few seasons.....you said whoever we have put in has produced, but bushrod would've allowed 6 more sacks in the lions game if not for brees avoiding the DE that bushrod completely missed.....brees cant do that all the time and eventually hes going to get clobbered

I don't believe it and I'm sure you already know my opinion about your ability to see talent... I made that quite clear.

you are saying its not a big deal because we have 2 other tackles to replace him....im not saying the sky is falling, just that the options we have at tackle are going to hurt us long term......if you watch the games you can see how bushrod has played.....he is going to get drew hurt and then we arent going to "survive"......we lose brown and then the pieces start to fall....

Now I can just tell you're not reading what's being typed.

Huh? No one is saying it's not a big deal which is how you're interpreting this. What is being said is that we'll manage without him... life goes on. He's a Pro Bowl talent. It would be stupid to say he's not a big loss... which is why no one is saying it. Some just choose to be logical and optimistic at the same time... the sky isn't going to fall because Brown isn't on the field. We're not going to stop winning games because Brown isn't on the field. We're 3-0 with the top offense in the league again... he'll be missed but we'll survive.

That's what I said (bold part most important)... pretty clear cut and I don't see how you can misinterpret that.

im saying we need to figure something out before we get drew hurt and not afterwards

No one would like Drew get hurt but at this point in time, 3 games into the season, all we'll be able to do find a backup tackle to add depth to our line. Hope for the best and not expect the worst comes to mind here.

CantonLegend · 09-30-2009, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Production doesn't matter? If you don't produce in this league, you won't win many games. Right now 3-0. That's a ridiculous statement to make.

we cant edit our posts but i did try to edit that and say that production isnt the only thing that matters.....production now wont translate over the 16 game season if we cant be consistant......consistancy translates to wins over a 16 game season

I don't believe it and I'm sure you already know my opinion about your ability to see talent... I made that quite clear.

believe it and its a shame that you feel that way but im sure you already know my opinion about your ability to moderate

That's what I said (bold part most important)... pretty clear cut and I don't see how you can misinterpret that.

what you are saying and what you are implying are 2 different things......you say its a big deal that brown is out but then turn around and say its not a big deal because bushrod and streif are doing fine

papz · 09-30-2009, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

we cant edit our posts but i did try to edit that and say that production isnt the only thing that matters.....production now wont translate over the 16 game season if we cant be consistant......consistancy translates to wins over a 16 game season

And how do you know it's not going to translate over a full season? Are we not 3-0? Judging by production and wins, have we not been consistent?

believe it and its a shame that you feel that way but im sure you already know my opinion about your ability to moderate

Feel free to share. I've never once reprimanded, edited, or even considered banning you... but feel free to elaborate on my moderating ability. No need to play that card if you can't handle a debate with me... those are two completely separate things.

what you are saying and what you are implying are 2 different things......you say its a big deal that brown is out but then turn around and say its not a big deal because bushrod and streif are doing fine

Once again, I haven't implied a single thing. Everything I said is in black and white. If you can't understand it, being crystal clear as it is, our discussion on this subject should probably come to a conclusion.

09-30-2009, 09:53 AM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR Originally Posted by CantonLegend we have created stability, but not on the offensive line.....our offensive line has been pretty inconsistant if you look at the 3rd and shorts that we missed or if you look at the penalties And yet we're number one in the league on offense. I don't see how you can't put one and one together. Production is what matters... and we're producing. while brown was good for a few penalties every year, he was our best lineman and many of you think that evans has been our best lineman, but evans has fallen off a bit and because of the pressure and responsibility of the LT position, brown has come out as the most important and best lineman on the team I feel Brown is our best lineman also... never said he wasn't in the first place. You're preaching to the choir. out of necessity, not talent......we didnt want to pay faine so he walked carl nicks is one of the best young linemen in the league.....he will be our best lineman in a few years and he will be a stud.....nesbit was replaced because nicks was better due to injury......brown has not been replaced because bushrod has been playing terribly and streif isnt as fast or as strong as brown I'm showing you that we've been plugging just like the Pats and Indy has and we consistent produce at a high level? Does it matter why who replaced who? Whoever has been put there in that position, has produced. In highsight, it's easy to say Player A was better than Player B which is why they were replaced... in highsight. At that point in time which they were replaced, they were inexperienced young players with everything to prove. No one knew what to expect. this is a post just to get under my skin i think but its laughable at best......our offensive line isnt something we can mess with......it has helped create the #1 offense in the league and losing one of the cornerstones is a big deal.......anyway you spin it We have an it's working. The Pats have and it's worked. The Colts have and it's working. sure its a big deal if we lose vilma because we dont have a solid backup.....but its not a big deal because we lose the second most important position in all of football? im sorry but you are wrong here Huh? No one is saying it's not a big deal which is how you're interpreting this. What is being said is that we'll manage without him... life goes on. He's a Pro Bowl talent. It would be stupid to say he's not a big loss... which is why no one is saying it. Some just choose to be logical and optimistic at the same time... the sky isn't going to fall because Brown isn't on the field. We're not going to stop winning games because Brown isn't on the field. We're 3-0 with the top offense in the league again... he'll be missed but we'll survive.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

09-30-2009, 10:23 AM	#2
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR Originally Posted by papz And yet we're number one in the league on offense. I don't see how you can't put one and one together. Production is what matters... and we're producing. now we are just arguing to argue....whatever production isnt what matters....you said we were consistant.....we arent consistant, but we have produced...3 games doesnt make us consistant.....especially when we've played 3 teams that are collectively 4-6 I feel Brown is our best lineman also... never said he wasn't in the first place. You're preaching to the choir. you are implying that we are ok because brown is injured because we have solid backups and i am saying its not ok because our solid backups arent very solid I'm showing you that we've been plugging just like the Pats and Indy has and we consistent produce at a high level? Does it matter why who replaced who? Whoever has been put there in that position, has produced. In highsight, it's easy to say Player A was better than Player B which is why they were replaced... in highsight. At that point in time which they were replaced, they were inexperienced young players with everything to prove. No one knew what to expect. believe it or not, i know a little bit about offensive linemen and i was well aware of how nicks was playing at guard......ive watched jermon bushrod the past 3 games and ive watched jammal brown over the past few seasons.....you said whoever we have put in has produced, but bushrod would've allowed 6 more sacks in the lions game if not for brees avoiding the DE that bushrod completely missed.....brees cant do that all the time and eventually hes going to get clobbered Huh? No one is saying it's not a big deal which is how you're interpreting this. What is being said is that we'll manage without him... life goes on. He's a Pro Bowl talent. It would be stupid to say he's not a big loss... which is why no one is saying it. Some just choose to be logical and optimistic at the same time... the sky isn't going to fall because Brown isn't on the field. We're not going to stop winning games because Brown isn't on the field. We're 3-0 with the top offense in the league again... he'll be missed but we'll survive. you are saying its not a big deal because we have 2 other tackles to replace him....im not saying the sky is falling, just that the options we have at tackle are going to hurt us long term......if you watch the games you can see how bushrod has played.....he is going to get drew hurt and then we arent going to "survive"......we lose brown and then the pieces start to fall.... im saying we need to figure something out before we get drew hurt and not afterwards
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

09-30-2009, 12:37 PM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR Originally Posted by CantonLegend now we are just arguing to argue....whatever You've got yourself pegged. production isnt what matters....you said we were consistant.....we arent consistant, but we have produced...3 games doesnt make us consistant.....especially when we've played 3 teams that are collectively 4-6 Production doesn't matter? If you don't produce in this league, you won't win many games. Right now 3-0. That's a ridiculous statement to make. We've consistently had the one of the top offenses in the league for the past 3 years... and 3 games into the season, we are continually having success. That is consistency. What difference does it make if our opponents are 4-6? Does a win, a catch, a pass, a tackle, a touchdown count any less against a winning versus a losing team? Let's not pretend Philly and Buffalo have crappy defenses either. Coming into the game, all of our opponents had record of 500 or better. So that 4-6 stat our yours have little significance in my book. you are implying that we are ok because brown is injured because we have solid backups and i am saying its not ok because our solid backups arent very solid I'm not implying nothing. I flat out said it. Whether or not you feel our backups aren't solid enough, well... that's your opinion. All I know is that we're 3-0 with the best offense in the league... which should speak volumes for itself. believe it or not, i know a little bit about offensive linemen and i was well aware of how nicks was playing at guard......ive watched jermon bushrod the past 3 games and ive watched jammal brown over the past few seasons.....you said whoever we have put in has produced, but bushrod would've allowed 6 more sacks in the lions game if not for brees avoiding the DE that bushrod completely missed.....brees cant do that all the time and eventually hes going to get clobbered I don't believe it and I'm sure you already know my opinion about your ability to see talent... I made that quite clear. you are saying its not a big deal because we have 2 other tackles to replace him....im not saying the sky is falling, just that the options we have at tackle are going to hurt us long term......if you watch the games you can see how bushrod has played.....he is going to get drew hurt and then we arent going to "survive"......we lose brown and then the pieces start to fall.... Now I can just tell you're not reading what's being typed. Huh? No one is saying it's not a big deal which is how you're interpreting this. What is being said is that we'll manage without him... life goes on. He's a Pro Bowl talent. It would be stupid to say he's not a big loss... which is why no one is saying it. Some just choose to be logical and optimistic at the same time... the sky isn't going to fall because Brown isn't on the field. We're not going to stop winning games because Brown isn't on the field. We're 3-0 with the top offense in the league again... he'll be missed but we'll survive. That's what I said (bold part most important)... pretty clear cut and I don't see how you can misinterpret that. im saying we need to figure something out before we get drew hurt and not afterwards No one would like Drew get hurt but at this point in time, 3 games into the season, all we'll be able to do find a backup tackle to add depth to our line. Hope for the best and not expect the worst comes to mind here.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

09-30-2009, 01:29 PM	#4
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR Originally Posted by papz Production doesn't matter? If you don't produce in this league, you won't win many games. Right now 3-0. That's a ridiculous statement to make. we cant edit our posts but i did try to edit that and say that production isnt the only thing that matters.....production now wont translate over the 16 game season if we cant be consistant......consistancy translates to wins over a 16 game season I don't believe it and I'm sure you already know my opinion about your ability to see talent... I made that quite clear. believe it and its a shame that you feel that way but im sure you already know my opinion about your ability to moderate That's what I said (bold part most important)... pretty clear cut and I don't see how you can misinterpret that. what you are saying and what you are implying are 2 different things......you say its a big deal that brown is out but then turn around and say its not a big deal because bushrod and streif are doing fine
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

09-30-2009, 01:48 PM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR Originally Posted by CantonLegend we cant edit our posts but i did try to edit that and say that production isnt the only thing that matters.....production now wont translate over the 16 game season if we cant be consistant......consistancy translates to wins over a 16 game season And how do you know it's not going to translate over a full season? Are we not 3-0? Judging by production and wins, have we not been consistent? believe it and its a shame that you feel that way but im sure you already know my opinion about your ability to moderate Feel free to share. I've never once reprimanded, edited, or even considered banning you... but feel free to elaborate on my moderating ability. No need to play that card if you can't handle a debate with me... those are two completely separate things. what you are saying and what you are implying are 2 different things......you say its a big deal that brown is out but then turn around and say its not a big deal because bushrod and streif are doing fine Once again, I haven't implied a single thing. Everything I said is in black and white. If you can't understand it, being crystal clear as it is, our discussion on this subject should probably come to a conclusion.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.