Dolphins - wildcat

saintsfan1976 · 10-20-2009, 10:24 AM

FinFan, your wildcat offense is legit. Henne adds a vertical element to the scheme that you didn't have before and we should be concerned...

I'm sure the fins will score and we'll give up some yards. But your defense must play a near perfect game and your offense can't commit turnovers to one of the most opportunistic defenses in the NFL.

As for time of possession, just remember that our offense is designed to use clock just as well as it is to strike quickly.

foreverfan · 10-20-2009, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by FinFan

If we can manage to hang in until the 4th a lot of people don't realize what a punishing runner Ronnie is, he loves to hit LB's and safeties. In the 4th he always seems to still be running hard and thats when he starts to really break tackles.

But yeah we will need a few breaks to go our way. For one it's suppose to rain on Sunday with high winds. That might slow your passing game down a bit. The problem is your a heck of a running team yourselves so it's pick your poison with you guys.

Well if it's raining and windy, it will be hard to spread you guys out because I don't think you will be that stupid to respect the spread game. Brees doesn't have a cannon for an arm so it would be a great evening factor.

In any case, opposing teams 4th quarter running game hasn't be a problem cause their usually behind by 20. If you only behind by 7 or ahead, it will be a different.

The Saints have 3 #1 picks on the DL and our middle LB is a former #1 also. You don't want to do too many 3 and outs against us. Every team that has tried that has lost. You need to match scores or pray for weather.

WhoDat205 · 10-20-2009, 10:46 AM

We don't need a tricks or gimmicks to stop the wildcat. We need discipline, discipline, and more discipline. Overload blitzes and crazy twists and stunts are exactly what the WC is designed to exploit.

DEs, LBs and CBs will have to keep containment. The DTs have to hold their gap assignments down and Vilma needs to have a huge day.

Hey FinFan, what MIA board do you post on?

FinFan · 10-20-2009, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

FinFan, your wildcat offense is legit. Henne adds a vertical element to the scheme that you didn't have before and we should be concerned...

I'm sure the fins will score and we'll give up some yards. But your defense must play a near perfect game and your offense can't commit turnovers to one of the most opportunistic defenses in the NFL.

As for time of possession, just remember that our offense is designed to use clock just as well as it is to strike quickly.

Yeah I agree we need to play flawless ball to have any kind of a shot. Scary thing is we might play flawless and still lose a close one. I'm very impressed with the Saints this year and if we don't make the playoffs I will be pulling for you guys to win it all. Plus I think Brees is a real class act. That thing he does before the games to pump up the players is really cool as well.

Cruize · 10-20-2009, 11:10 AM

The Wildcat is tough to defend. First of all, the Dolphins are talented and run it well. Secondly, it's a problem to defend because it has defenders reading and reacting instead of attacking. This gets defenders beat at the line of scrimmage. While they are reading the offense is attacking. Advantage offense. The defense has to be very disciplined. They have to maintain their gaps on the line and hopefully have the LB's make plays. If the DL has a breakdown and the LB's get out of position or don't make plays, the defense can really get gashed. The Saints have to man up on the outside with Greer and Porter, which they can do easily against the Dolphins, allowing Sharper and Harper to play around the line. The only real threat of pass is to the TE, which a LB or S has to handle. The good news is the Saints won't have to stop them every time. Brees and Co. affords them that. Plus, if the Saints can stop them a few times and the offense can post a lead, it can force the Dolphins to go away from what they do best. Without a letdown or turnovers in this trap game, the Saints should get a 10+ point victory.

boonedocksaint · 10-20-2009, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by FinFan

My point wasn't to suggest that you haven't played some good backs but just not at Ronnie's level. Like you mentioned you also have Ricky to deal with and although Cobbs is out we have a guy named Lex Hillard that runs real hard. The other thing people take out of account with us is we often run with a FB lead blocker who is a beast named Lou Polite. He also gets some touches as well and is a load to bring down.

With all that said I don't know that you guys necessarily need to stop the Wildcat you just need to slow it down enough to get the time of possession to balance out a little more your way. If you guys are on the field more then 20-25 min we don't stand a chance.

Your also gonna have to respect Henne's arm as well so that should open up our standard run package. Will see there is a lot of game planning to be done for both sides, should be a very fun game to watch.

dude, you dont need to tell me about henne. i'm a diehard gator fan and i was at the capital one bowl. i respect him, but, still hate him at the same time.

Rugby Saint II · 10-20-2009, 12:48 PM

ff makes a good point. The weather could be a factor. Reaction time to the wildcat should be slower in bad conditions. This should be a win, although not necessarily an easy one.

Euphoria · 10-20-2009, 12:54 PM

The key to running a wildcat is blocking and adding another blocker to the running game. Take the QB out add a RB, simple math. The way you defend it is bring the safties up putting '8 men in the box'. Also if your CB's play tight on the WR and inside they could be in better position to contain and blitz the RB coming outside.
This could very well be a game the Fins had against the Colts if anyone seen that game it was great game plan the Fins deployed its just that Manning took advantage of the few times he actually had the ball.

Papa Voodoo · 10-20-2009, 02:36 PM

Wildcat - No matter what they run left or right and theyu don't use the QB at the receiver spot. Play like a run and ignore the razzle dazzle.

lynwood · 10-20-2009, 04:28 PM

From Greg Williams:

What kinds of challenges as a coordinator does the wildcat bring?

"Those are things. Everything's a fad. Everything's a scheme. Everything's a play. It's really no different than the run and shoot, it's no different than the option, it's no different than the power game. It's just another part of the game. The ball has to be advanced, and you're trying to align and prevent the advancement of the ball. It's just one more scheme. It's one more thing and the things you have to be prepared to do. It's the same thing defensively"

I think we will be ready.

10-20-2009, 10:24 AM	#11
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dolphins - wildcat FinFan, your wildcat offense is legit. Henne adds a vertical element to the scheme that you didn't have before and we should be concerned... I'm sure the fins will score and we'll give up some yards. But your defense must play a near perfect game and your offense can't commit turnovers to one of the most opportunistic defenses in the NFL. As for time of possession, just remember that our offense is designed to use clock just as well as it is to strike quickly.

10-20-2009, 10:30 AM	#12
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Dolphins - wildcat Originally Posted by FinFan If we can manage to hang in until the 4th a lot of people don't realize what a punishing runner Ronnie is, he loves to hit LB's and safeties. In the 4th he always seems to still be running hard and thats when he starts to really break tackles. But yeah we will need a few breaks to go our way. For one it's suppose to rain on Sunday with high winds. That might slow your passing game down a bit. The problem is your a heck of a running team yourselves so it's pick your poison with you guys. Well if it's raining and windy, it will be hard to spread you guys out because I don't think you will be that stupid to respect the spread game. Brees doesn't have a cannon for an arm so it would be a great evening factor. In any case, opposing teams 4th quarter running game hasn't be a problem cause their usually behind by 20. If you only behind by 7 or ahead, it will be a different. The Saints have 3 #1 picks on the DL and our middle LB is a former #1 also. You don't want to do too many 3 and outs against us. Every team that has tried that has lost. You need to match scores or pray for weather.
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10-20-2009, 10:46 AM	#13
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Dolphins - wildcat We don't need a tricks or gimmicks to stop the wildcat. We need discipline, discipline, and more discipline. Overload blitzes and crazy twists and stunts are exactly what the WC is designed to exploit. DEs, LBs and CBs will have to keep containment. The DTs have to hold their gap assignments down and Vilma needs to have a huge day. Hey FinFan, what MIA board do you post on?

10-20-2009, 10:52 AM	#14
FinFan Registered Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 66	Re: Dolphins - wildcat Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 FinFan, your wildcat offense is legit. Henne adds a vertical element to the scheme that you didn't have before and we should be concerned... I'm sure the fins will score and we'll give up some yards. But your defense must play a near perfect game and your offense can't commit turnovers to one of the most opportunistic defenses in the NFL. As for time of possession, just remember that our offense is designed to use clock just as well as it is to strike quickly. Yeah I agree we need to play flawless ball to have any kind of a shot. Scary thing is we might play flawless and still lose a close one. I'm very impressed with the Saints this year and if we don't make the playoffs I will be pulling for you guys to win it all. Plus I think Brees is a real class act. That thing he does before the games to pump up the players is really cool as well.
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10-20-2009, 11:10 AM	#15
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: Dolphins - wildcat The Wildcat is tough to defend. First of all, the Dolphins are talented and run it well. Secondly, it's a problem to defend because it has defenders reading and reacting instead of attacking. This gets defenders beat at the line of scrimmage. While they are reading the offense is attacking. Advantage offense. The defense has to be very disciplined. They have to maintain their gaps on the line and hopefully have the LB's make plays. If the DL has a breakdown and the LB's get out of position or don't make plays, the defense can really get gashed. The Saints have to man up on the outside with Greer and Porter, which they can do easily against the Dolphins, allowing Sharper and Harper to play around the line. The only real threat of pass is to the TE, which a LB or S has to handle. The good news is the Saints won't have to stop them every time. Brees and Co. affords them that. Plus, if the Saints can stop them a few times and the offense can post a lead, it can force the Dolphins to go away from what they do best. Without a letdown or turnovers in this trap game, the Saints should get a 10+ point victory.
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10-20-2009, 12:31 PM	#16
boonedocksaint 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 340	Re: Dolphins - wildcat Originally Posted by FinFan My point wasn't to suggest that you haven't played some good backs but just not at Ronnie's level. Like you mentioned you also have Ricky to deal with and although Cobbs is out we have a guy named Lex Hillard that runs real hard. The other thing people take out of account with us is we often run with a FB lead blocker who is a beast named Lou Polite. He also gets some touches as well and is a load to bring down. With all that said I don't know that you guys necessarily need to stop the Wildcat you just need to slow it down enough to get the time of possession to balance out a little more your way. If you guys are on the field more then 20-25 min we don't stand a chance. Your also gonna have to respect Henne's arm as well so that should open up our standard run package. Will see there is a lot of game planning to be done for both sides, should be a very fun game to watch. dude, you dont need to tell me about henne. i'm a diehard gator fan and i was at the capital one bowl. i respect him, but, still hate him at the same time.

10-20-2009, 12:48 PM	#17
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Dolphins - wildcat ff makes a good point. The weather could be a factor. Reaction time to the wildcat should be slower in bad conditions. This should be a win, although not necessarily an easy one.

10-20-2009, 12:54 PM	#18
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Dolphins - wildcat The key to running a wildcat is blocking and adding another blocker to the running game. Take the QB out add a RB, simple math. The way you defend it is bring the safties up putting '8 men in the box'. Also if your CB's play tight on the WR and inside they could be in better position to contain and blitz the RB coming outside. This could very well be a game the Fins had against the Colts if anyone seen that game it was great game plan the Fins deployed its just that Manning took advantage of the few times he actually had the ball.
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10-20-2009, 02:36 PM	#19
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Dolphins - wildcat Wildcat - No matter what they run left or right and theyu don't use the QB at the receiver spot. Play like a run and ignore the razzle dazzle.

10-20-2009, 04:28 PM	#20
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: Dolphins - wildcat From Greg Williams: What kinds of challenges as a coordinator does the wildcat bring? "Those are things. Everything's a fad. Everything's a scheme. Everything's a play. It's really no different than the run and shoot, it's no different than the option, it's no different than the power game. It's just another part of the game. The ball has to be advanced, and you're trying to align and prevent the advancement of the ball. It's just one more scheme. It's one more thing and the things you have to be prepared to do. It's the same thing defensively" I think we will be ready.