Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat?

Tobias-Reiper · 10-22-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

OK, I'll buy the "garbage time" scenario where the Eagles were throwing every play from scrimmage in the 4th (which is also the time that Sharper got his pick six). But even throwing out Jackson's 71 yd TD, Kolb was STILL able to post 321 other yards in the effort and he's no McNabb!

Living in Iggles hell like I do, let me throw some WC stats about this game at you to illustrate my concern:
11 WC plays
3 stopped by our D for no gain
8 WC gains for a total of 47 yds (avg. 5+ per play)

...and this from a team fielding a 2nd string QB and not nearly as proficient with the WC offense as the Fins. I too am curious to see what my newest man-crush (Greg Williams) can scheme to keep this from being a game where the Fins can keep it close. You'd best believe that I too see this as a trap game. I'm not worried per se, but I'm not in any way overlooking a potential for disaster.

I guess that comes from being a long time Saints fan! LOL

Here, I throw a better stat at you:

Saints 48
Eagles 22

McNabb don't play defense.

rich006 · 10-22-2009, 12:50 PM

One thing that hasn't been said yet is that this is an away game. For that reason it will be a tough game as long as the crowd is in it. Also, Miami's rushing attack (including WC) is similar in quality to NYG, and you have to expect them to put together a couple of long scoring drives like the one the Giants had where Ahmad Bradshaw had almost all the yards on the drive (I say a couple because they won't abandon the run as early as the Giants did). It may stay close until the third quarter depending on turnovers.

However, Miami's passing defense is below average (esp. against TE's), which means Brees will torch them all day. The WC offense won't be able to keep up with the quick strike Saints offense. Late in the game the crowd will be a non-factor and Miami will have to abandon the WC and try passing, at which point any Henne turnovers will turn the game into a Saints rout.

For Miami to have a chance, Henne has to be perfect, Brees has to be off, and turnovers have to go Miami's way.

Saints 38-20

FinFan · 10-22-2009, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

I was referring to the wildcat, which neither Pennington or Henne has anything to do with.

...but as Henne is concerned, you may think Henne is it, but everyone thought Sanchez was it as well until he met the Saints defense. Everyone also hails Eli Manning as a great QB, yet he met the Saints defense and looked a lot like Trent Dilfer.

Again, any given Sunday... sure the Dolphins could beat the Saints, but that would be an upset.

I think people are under the impression that we run the wildcat a lot more then we do. As far as me thinking Henne is "it" I didn't say that I was just stating we haven't lost with him yet. I agree it is WAY to early to pronounce him the next coming of Marino. With that said I do like what I've seen so far, and its a fact that with is arm strenth teams have to prepare and play us differently.

The best thing about the wildcat isn't even the formation in my opinion it's the amount of time you force another team to prepare for it and it takes away valuable time they can't practice for our base offence and with Henne behind center there is simply more coming out of our base then there was with Penny.

SapperSaint · 10-22-2009, 01:48 PM

I won't say I'm 100% sure we are going to beat them...I'm can only say I'm not worried. Henne has been fair, glad to see it. Also glad to see Ricky thriving as well.

Welcome to the site Fin. Always good to have another teams fan here. Good luck the rest of the season....well, except for this Sunday.

FinFan · 10-22-2009, 01:54 PM

Thanks SapperSaint I love your avatar, I must have every Calvin and Hobbes book ever made.

late again · 10-22-2009, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

I was referring to the wildcat, which neither Pennington or Henne has anything to do with.

...but as Henne is concerned, you may think Henne is it, but everyone thought Sanchez was it as well until he met the Saints defense. Everyone also hails Eli Manning as a great QB, yet he met the Saints defense and looked a lot like Trent Dilfer.

Again, any given Sunday... sure the Dolphins could beat the Saints, but that would be an upset.

Well...not everyone. I was doing some research before we played them and I saw Sanchez's measurables sliding down from the first. Check out his stats. Look at his avg yds per pass and completion %. Just thought I'd pass on the information.
Mark Sanchez: Game Logs
For me, Henne is still something of an unknown at this point. He's done well the 2 games he's started. He's gotten a lot of pressure and stayed calm and made good decisions. Having been a 4 year starter in college, as well as sitting last year probably has helped him adjust. But he's got to do it week in and week out. I said in another thread, he may have a good game or he may buckle under the pressure of the Saints' pass rush. Neither would be a complete shock to me. I think he has the tools to be very, very good. But he's also young and inexperienced. Plus as you said, Manning couldn't handle it last week.

skymike · 10-22-2009, 04:11 PM

We Have to get a fast start, and hopefully force them into all-pass mode.

SmashMouth · 10-23-2009, 05:49 PM

In one word ...... NO!

skymike · 10-23-2009, 06:23 PM

Oh yeah, Miami is definitely a potential for trouble. Weird offense, we're not sure what to expect. And I've seen some flashes from their QB, too.

lynwood · 10-23-2009, 06:43 PM

any given sunday....Oakland/Eagles

10-22-2009, 12:01 PM	#31
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Originally Posted by leilung OK, I'll buy the "garbage time" scenario where the Eagles were throwing every play from scrimmage in the 4th (which is also the time that Sharper got his pick six). But even throwing out Jackson's 71 yd TD, Kolb was STILL able to post 321 other yards in the effort and he's no McNabb! Living in Iggles hell like I do, let me throw some WC stats about this game at you to illustrate my concern: 11 WC plays 3 stopped by our D for no gain 8 WC gains for a total of 47 yds (avg. 5+ per play) ...and this from a team fielding a 2nd string QB and not nearly as proficient with the WC offense as the Fins. I too am curious to see what my newest man-crush (Greg Williams) can scheme to keep this from being a game where the Fins can keep it close. You'd best believe that I too see this as a trap game. I'm not worried per se, but I'm not in any way overlooking a potential for disaster. I guess that comes from being a long time Saints fan! LOL Here, I throw a better stat at you: Saints 48 Eagles 22 McNabb don't play defense.

10-22-2009, 12:50 PM	#32
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? One thing that hasn't been said yet is that this is an away game. For that reason it will be a tough game as long as the crowd is in it. Also, Miami's rushing attack (including WC) is similar in quality to NYG, and you have to expect them to put together a couple of long scoring drives like the one the Giants had where Ahmad Bradshaw had almost all the yards on the drive (I say a couple because they won't abandon the run as early as the Giants did). It may stay close until the third quarter depending on turnovers. However, Miami's passing defense is below average (esp. against TE's), which means Brees will torch them all day. The WC offense won't be able to keep up with the quick strike Saints offense. Late in the game the crowd will be a non-factor and Miami will have to abandon the WC and try passing, at which point any Henne turnovers will turn the game into a Saints rout. For Miami to have a chance, Henne has to be perfect, Brees has to be off, and turnovers have to go Miami's way. Saints 38-20
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10-22-2009, 01:42 PM	#33
FinFan Registered Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 66	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper I was referring to the wildcat, which neither Pennington or Henne has anything to do with. ...but as Henne is concerned, you may think Henne is it, but everyone thought Sanchez was it as well until he met the Saints defense. Everyone also hails Eli Manning as a great QB, yet he met the Saints defense and looked a lot like Trent Dilfer. Again, any given Sunday... sure the Dolphins could beat the Saints, but that would be an upset. I think people are under the impression that we run the wildcat a lot more then we do. As far as me thinking Henne is "it" I didn't say that I was just stating we haven't lost with him yet. I agree it is WAY to early to pronounce him the next coming of Marino. With that said I do like what I've seen so far, and its a fact that with is arm strenth teams have to prepare and play us differently. The best thing about the wildcat isn't even the formation in my opinion it's the amount of time you force another team to prepare for it and it takes away valuable time they can't practice for our base offence and with Henne behind center there is simply more coming out of our base then there was with Penny.
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10-22-2009, 01:48 PM	#34
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? I won't say I'm 100% sure we are going to beat them...I'm can only say I'm not worried. Henne has been fair, glad to see it. Also glad to see Ricky thriving as well. Welcome to the site Fin. Always good to have another teams fan here. Good luck the rest of the season....well, except for this Sunday.

10-22-2009, 01:54 PM	#35
FinFan Registered Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 66	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Thanks SapperSaint I love your avatar, I must have every Calvin and Hobbes book ever made.
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10-22-2009, 04:05 PM	#36
late again Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper I was referring to the wildcat, which neither Pennington or Henne has anything to do with. ...but as Henne is concerned, you may think Henne is it, but everyone thought Sanchez was it as well until he met the Saints defense. Everyone also hails Eli Manning as a great QB, yet he met the Saints defense and looked a lot like Trent Dilfer. Again, any given Sunday... sure the Dolphins could beat the Saints, but that would be an upset. Well...not everyone. I was doing some research before we played them and I saw Sanchez's measurables sliding down from the first. Check out his stats. Look at his avg yds per pass and completion %. Just thought I'd pass on the information. Mark Sanchez: Game Logs For me, Henne is still something of an unknown at this point. He's done well the 2 games he's started. He's gotten a lot of pressure and stayed calm and made good decisions. Having been a 4 year starter in college, as well as sitting last year probably has helped him adjust. But he's got to do it week in and week out. I said in another thread, he may have a good game or he may buckle under the pressure of the Saints' pass rush. Neither would be a complete shock to me. I think he has the tools to be very, very good. But he's also young and inexperienced. Plus as you said, Manning couldn't handle it last week.
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10-22-2009, 04:11 PM	#37
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? We Have to get a fast start, and hopefully force them into all-pass mode.

10-23-2009, 05:49 PM	#38
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,044 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? In one word ...... NO!

10-23-2009, 06:23 PM	#39
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Oh yeah, Miami is definitely a potential for trouble. Weird offense, we're not sure what to expect. And I've seen some flashes from their QB, too.

10-23-2009, 06:43 PM	#40
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? any given sunday....Oakland/Eagles