Carney MUST Go

stockman311 · 11-16-2009, 01:09 PM

I'm sorry, I love the old dude, but when the coach doesn't have faith in you to make a kick from 49 yds and 48 yds respectively in the 4th quarter of an INDOOR game that is extremely tight, then you have no reason to be on the team. He has to go.
Hartley went 13-13 for us last year at the end of the season and has the leg to make the long kick. We are wasting a roster spot and with our injury depleted defense that is just unacceptable.

exile · 11-16-2009, 01:10 PM

I'm not sure it was because SP didn't have faith in Carney. I think that it was more of SP doing what SP does.

stockman311 · 11-16-2009, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by exile

I'm not sure it was because SP didn't have faith in Carney. I think that it was more of SP doing what SP does.

Sounds a lot like what the Patriots fans are probably saying about another dubious non kick decision last night. We just happened to be playing a crappy team. We would need that kick against a good team and Carney is just not that good. He has missed two extra points and three or four field goals this year. Tell me Hartley couldn't have matched that performance. Two kickers on the team is dumb.

exile · 11-16-2009, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

Sounds a lot like what the Patriots fans are probably saying about another dubious non kick decision last night. We just happened to be playing a crappy team. We would need that kick against a good team and Carney is just not that good. He has missed two extra points and three or four field goals this year. Tell me Hartley couldn't have matched that performance. Two kickers on the team is dumb.

Oh I wasn't arguing the fact that we only need one kicker on this team. Just saying that I think SP would have gone for that 4th regardless of who the kicker was at the time.

And that Belichick call was just insane. They were far into their own side of the field.

stockman311 · 11-16-2009, 01:32 PM

[QUOTE=exile;176844] Just saying that I think SP would have gone for that 4th regardless of who the kicker was at the time.

[QUOTE]

Oh Really? What about if we had Morten Anderson in his prime? Would SP have not kicked both of those 4th quarter field goals from inside 50 yds then?

DeadmaN · 11-16-2009, 01:10 PM

you might have a point

strato · 11-16-2009, 01:13 PM

We are agressive...thats how we play.....we dont kick field goals..having said that ..lets cutt both kickers ...and let Brees kick..if need be...lol

QBREES9 · 11-16-2009, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by strato

We are agressive...thats how we play.....we dont kick field goals..having said that ..lets cutt both kickers ...and let Brees kick..if need be...lol

Hell go for it.

stockman311 · 11-16-2009, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Hell go for it.

Your saying this because we wound up winning. It doesn't make the decision right. If your an NFL kicker and you can't make a 48 yd field goal indoors then your days should be over. The camera man even showed Carney on the field wanting to go out and EXPECTING to go out and kick and then he shuffled back to the sideline with his head down. Hell maybe he can make the kick. I'm saying that if Payton has no confidence he can make the kick then he shouldn't be on the team. Do you think that helped Carney's confidence in the least going forward? What happens when we need a 49 yder for the win, then Payton says, ok Carney go win it for us. Carney now has this image of the coach telling him he doesn't trust him at the end of games. I hated the decision to go for it TWICE and I still do. We got lucky on the first one and stuffed Jackson on 4th down. The second time it nearly cost us the game.

neugey · 11-16-2009, 01:24 PM

I couldn't agree more - if Carney doesn't have the range then let him go.

11-16-2009, 01:09 PM	#1
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Carney MUST Go I'm sorry, I love the old dude, but when the coach doesn't have faith in you to make a kick from 49 yds and 48 yds respectively in the 4th quarter of an INDOOR game that is extremely tight, then you have no reason to be on the team. He has to go. Hartley went 13-13 for us last year at the end of the season and has the leg to make the long kick. We are wasting a roster spot and with our injury depleted defense that is just unacceptable.

11-16-2009, 01:10 PM	#2
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Carney MUST Go I'm not sure it was because SP didn't have faith in Carney. I think that it was more of SP doing what SP does.
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608

11-16-2009, 01:20 PM	#3
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Carney MUST Go Originally Posted by exile I'm not sure it was because SP didn't have faith in Carney. I think that it was more of SP doing what SP does. Sounds a lot like what the Patriots fans are probably saying about another dubious non kick decision last night. We just happened to be playing a crappy team. We would need that kick against a good team and Carney is just not that good. He has missed two extra points and three or four field goals this year. Tell me Hartley couldn't have matched that performance. Two kickers on the team is dumb.

11-16-2009, 01:23 PM	#4
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Carney MUST Go Originally Posted by stockman311 Sounds a lot like what the Patriots fans are probably saying about another dubious non kick decision last night. We just happened to be playing a crappy team. We would need that kick against a good team and Carney is just not that good. He has missed two extra points and three or four field goals this year. Tell me Hartley couldn't have matched that performance. Two kickers on the team is dumb. Oh I wasn't arguing the fact that we only need one kicker on this team. Just saying that I think SP would have gone for that 4th regardless of who the kicker was at the time. And that Belichick call was just insane. They were far into their own side of the field.
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608

11-16-2009, 01:32 PM	#5
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Carney MUST Go [QUOTE=exile;176844] Just saying that I think SP would have gone for that 4th regardless of who the kicker was at the time. [QUOTE] Oh Really? What about if we had Morten Anderson in his prime? Would SP have not kicked both of those 4th quarter field goals from inside 50 yds then?

11-16-2009, 01:10 PM	#6
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Carney MUST Go you might have a point

11-16-2009, 01:13 PM	#7
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Carney MUST Go We are agressive...thats how we play.....we dont kick field goals..having said that ..lets cutt both kickers ...and let Brees kick..if need be...lol

11-16-2009, 03:04 PM	#8
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: Carney MUST Go Originally Posted by strato We are agressive...thats how we play.....we dont kick field goals..having said that ..lets cutt both kickers ...and let Brees kick..if need be...lol Hell go for it.

11-16-2009, 04:41 PM	#9
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Carney MUST Go Originally Posted by QBREES9 Hell go for it. Your saying this because we wound up winning. It doesn't make the decision right. If your an NFL kicker and you can't make a 48 yd field goal indoors then your days should be over. The camera man even showed Carney on the field wanting to go out and EXPECTING to go out and kick and then he shuffled back to the sideline with his head down. Hell maybe he can make the kick. I'm saying that if Payton has no confidence he can make the kick then he shouldn't be on the team. Do you think that helped Carney's confidence in the least going forward? What happens when we need a 49 yder for the win, then Payton says, ok Carney go win it for us. Carney now has this image of the coach telling him he doesn't trust him at the end of games. I hated the decision to go for it TWICE and I still do. We got lucky on the first one and stuffed Jackson on 4th down. The second time it nearly cost us the game.

11-16-2009, 01:24 PM	#10
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,820 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Carney MUST Go I couldn't agree more - if Carney doesn't have the range then let him go.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode