CONSPIRACY

MorningWood · 01-19-2010, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan

has anyone heard of The Bilderberg Group? if not..u r far more vulnerable to conspiracy than u think

Oh, I know what those guys are up to. Creating armies of these:

cargojon · 01-19-2010, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by MorningWood

Oh, I know what those guys are up to. Creating armies of these:

+1 rep for your screen name

mikesaintfan · 01-19-2010, 02:43 PM

the key to a conspiracy is getting everyone to not believe...follow like sheep..conform...conform..conform

MorningWood · 01-19-2010, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by cargojon

+1 rep for your screen name

Thank you sir.

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan

the key to a conspiracy is getting everyone to not believe...follow like sheep..conform...conform..conform

I am trying to resist, I really am. Let me see how far you have gone -- do you just believe the occassional CT or have you gone full retard with it believing whatever Alex Jones and his ilk spew?

SAINT_MICHAEL · 01-19-2010, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by cargojon

Dollars are the exact reason the NFL is super-anal about keeping its nose clean.

Do you have any idea how much $$$$ the NFL would lose if it EVER came out that there was some kind of fix? That's the exact reason that there is no conspiracy. The amount of money they stand to lose if exposed far far far exceeds anything they would hope to gain by a conspiracy.

If you think it's fixed - why do you still watch? Why bother? If the outcome is pre-determined, it kind of takes the fun out of it doesn't it?

This kind of tinfoil hat crap is what fans of losers hide behind to explain why their team sucks. Newsflash- Saints don't suck.

Boy, that "logic" didn't stop rich people like Bernie Madoff risking their fortunes to make a little more now did it? Martha Stuart went to jail for a few thousand dollars. The NBA is still making millions despite proof that they had refs cheating and betting on games. Your argument that they wouldn't risk what they have for a little more is empty.

I watch because I love the Saints and hope that the league will call the game fair or to our side. For most of this year (and mostly since Katrina) they have. I never said it was completely predetermined, only that there is a bias. Read what I wrote rather than put words in my mouth. I said I expect us to have to overcome some bad calls to beat the Vikings, not that it was predetermined we would lose. Sorry if you cannot understand the difference. If you want to deny the countless number of times it has happened to us in our history that is fine with me. I prefer to keep my eyes open and be realistic.

Newsflash to you - there have been plenty cases where the Saints have lost games in their past due to poor calls by the refs. It has nothing to do with sucking. The Niner teams of the 80's got evey call in games against us because they were the darlings of the league. The Dome Patrol teams didn't suck, but they got shafted sure enough.

cargojon · 01-19-2010, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

Boy, that "logic" didn't stop rich people like Bernie Madoff risking their fortunes to make a little more now did it? Martha Stuart went to jail for a few thousand dollars. The NBA is still making millions despite proof that they had refs cheating and betting on games. Your argument that they wouldn't risk what they have for a little more is empty.

I watch because I love the Saints and hope that the league will call the game fair or to our side. For most of this year (and mostly since Katrina) they have. I never said it was completely predetermined, only that there is a bias. Read what I wrote rather than put words in my mouth. I said I expect us to have to overcome some bad calls to beat the Vikings, not that it was predetermined we would lose. Sorry if you cannot understand the difference. If you want to deny the countless number of times it has happened to us in our history that is fine with me. I prefer to keep my eyes open and be realistic.

Newsflash to you - there have been plenty cases where the Saints have lost games in their past due to poor calls by the refs. It has nothing to do with sucking. The Niner teams of the 80's got evey call in games against us because they were the darlings of the league. The Dome Patrol teams didn't suck, but they got shafted sure enough.

Sure biad exists. People are human, and despite the best efforts to be fair sometimes biases exist. That doesn't mean that Ed Hochuli has $10 large riding on a game if he makes a mistake. You think Nolan Ryan didn't get a bigger strike zone than a first year rookie? Of course.
That doesn't mean it's part of a calculated, intentional effort to influence the outcome of games.

Hey just realized that tinfoil hat could pass for a viking's mascot costume BAWAHAHAHA

Rimrockcard · 01-19-2010, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Agreed!!! How is A.Rolle doing these days?...lol

lol...he will live to fight another day...
please do to farve what you done to kurt

You guys are bringing the Lombardi home...i`m sure of it and i`m on your bandwagon like it or not...for 2 more games anyway...then we are enemy again

Odincommeth · 01-19-2010, 04:52 PM

If there really was a conspiracy, the Vikings would be playing the Packers for the NFC Crown. Nothing against the Saints here, but the amount of viewers for the two games they played in the regular season were record breakers. The NFL would be licking their chops over that one.

Or maybe a Vikings/Jets Superbowl. There's a story line for you.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 01-19-2010, 05:16 PM

So it all boils down to symantics and what is meant by conspiracy ( a term I have not used in this thread until now). It wouldn't take some clendestine effort to make a difference. The commish (way before Goddel) could have said in an owners meeting or memo to league during the summer or during labor negotiations with the refs "Wow, what a great season we had. Team x had a great year in winning the SB. More people watched that game than ever! We also had record merchandise sales this year. Hey, I see team x lead all in those sales as well. Wow people sure like to represnt teams X,Y, and Z. Also player so and so lead all individuals in jersey sales. Interesting. Anyway, let's get back to our discussion about revenue". So, they know high revenue for the league will mean more money for the refs and players when the next contract negotiations come around. So, no, I don't think that someone has whispered to the refs or sent a memo out to anyone to cheat. But any ref knows it is better for league revenue if the Steelers, or Pats or Colts or Giants win games than if the Saints or Seahawks or Texans win games. Better league revenue means more available money for them as well. Some may call that a conspiracy. It's not the WWE, so it is not fixed all the way, but the field is hardly level.
I appreciate if you think it is all on the up and up. I wish I did. I just don't. But I don't think that means we can't or won't win. Just that we will have to work that much harder and be that much better than Mini-sota. Because if it comes down to a close game with an important review to determine if Bret f;&@ing Favre threw an int or not, I don't like our chances.

MorningWood · 01-19-2010, 05:40 PM

St Mike, think about what you wrote. The ref's actions would be very far removed from any financial benefit he might receive.

Favre sells jerseys. If I throw a flag, Favre goes to the SB. Revenues increase league wide by .0000001%. Commish sees this increase and spreads the wealth to all refs. The difference in my pocketbook is .05% --- maybe, if all goes well with my evil scheme.

Payday baby!

01-19-2010, 02:22 PM	#31
MorningWood 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 180	Re: CONSPIRACY Originally Posted by mikesaintfan has anyone heard of The Bilderberg Group? if not..u r far more vulnerable to conspiracy than u think Oh, I know what those guys are up to. Creating armies of these:
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01-19-2010, 02:23 PM	#32
cargojon 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 576	Re: CONSPIRACY Originally Posted by MorningWood Oh, I know what those guys are up to. Creating armies of these: +1 rep for your screen name
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01-19-2010, 02:43 PM	#33
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Re: CONSPIRACY the key to a conspiracy is getting everyone to not believe...follow like sheep..conform...conform..conform

01-19-2010, 03:22 PM	#34
MorningWood 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 180	Re: CONSPIRACY Originally Posted by cargojon +1 rep for your screen name Thank you sir. Originally Posted by mikesaintfan the key to a conspiracy is getting everyone to not believe...follow like sheep..conform...conform..conform I am trying to resist, I really am. Let me see how far you have gone -- do you just believe the occassional CT or have you gone full retard with it believing whatever Alex Jones and his ilk spew?
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01-19-2010, 03:24 PM	#35
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: CONSPIRACY Originally Posted by cargojon Dollars are the exact reason the NFL is super-anal about keeping its nose clean. Do you have any idea how much $$$$ the NFL would lose if it EVER came out that there was some kind of fix? That's the exact reason that there is no conspiracy. The amount of money they stand to lose if exposed far far far exceeds anything they would hope to gain by a conspiracy. If you think it's fixed - why do you still watch? Why bother? If the outcome is pre-determined, it kind of takes the fun out of it doesn't it? This kind of tinfoil hat crap is what fans of losers hide behind to explain why their team sucks. Newsflash- Saints don't suck. Boy, that "logic" didn't stop rich people like Bernie Madoff risking their fortunes to make a little more now did it? Martha Stuart went to jail for a few thousand dollars. The NBA is still making millions despite proof that they had refs cheating and betting on games. Your argument that they wouldn't risk what they have for a little more is empty. I watch because I love the Saints and hope that the league will call the game fair or to our side. For most of this year (and mostly since Katrina) they have. I never said it was completely predetermined, only that there is a bias. Read what I wrote rather than put words in my mouth. I said I expect us to have to overcome some bad calls to beat the Vikings, not that it was predetermined we would lose. Sorry if you cannot understand the difference. If you want to deny the countless number of times it has happened to us in our history that is fine with me. I prefer to keep my eyes open and be realistic. Newsflash to you - there have been plenty cases where the Saints have lost games in their past due to poor calls by the refs. It has nothing to do with sucking. The Niner teams of the 80's got evey call in games against us because they were the darlings of the league. The Dome Patrol teams didn't suck, but they got shafted sure enough.
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01-19-2010, 04:06 PM	#36
cargojon 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 576	Re: CONSPIRACY Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL Boy, that "logic" didn't stop rich people like Bernie Madoff risking their fortunes to make a little more now did it? Martha Stuart went to jail for a few thousand dollars. The NBA is still making millions despite proof that they had refs cheating and betting on games. Your argument that they wouldn't risk what they have for a little more is empty. I watch because I love the Saints and hope that the league will call the game fair or to our side. For most of this year (and mostly since Katrina) they have. I never said it was completely predetermined, only that there is a bias. Read what I wrote rather than put words in my mouth. I said I expect us to have to overcome some bad calls to beat the Vikings, not that it was predetermined we would lose. Sorry if you cannot understand the difference. If you want to deny the countless number of times it has happened to us in our history that is fine with me. I prefer to keep my eyes open and be realistic. Newsflash to you - there have been plenty cases where the Saints have lost games in their past due to poor calls by the refs. It has nothing to do with sucking. The Niner teams of the 80's got evey call in games against us because they were the darlings of the league. The Dome Patrol teams didn't suck, but they got shafted sure enough. Sure biad exists. People are human, and despite the best efforts to be fair sometimes biases exist. That doesn't mean that Ed Hochuli has $10 large riding on a game if he makes a mistake. You think Nolan Ryan didn't get a bigger strike zone than a first year rookie? Of course. That doesn't mean it's part of a calculated, intentional effort to influence the outcome of games. Hey just realized that tinfoil hat could pass for a viking's mascot costume BAWAHAHAHA
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01-19-2010, 04:29 PM	#37
Rimrockcard Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2	Re: CONSPIRACY Originally Posted by strato Agreed!!! How is A.Rolle doing these days?...lol lol...he will live to fight another day... please do to farve what you done to kurt You guys are bringing the Lombardi home...i`m sure of it and i`m on your bandwagon like it or not...for 2 more games anyway...then we are enemy again
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01-19-2010, 04:52 PM	#38
Odincommeth Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Sartell, MN Posts: 20	Re: CONSPIRACY If there really was a conspiracy, the Vikings would be playing the Packers for the NFC Crown. Nothing against the Saints here, but the amount of viewers for the two games they played in the regular season were record breakers. The NFL would be licking their chops over that one. Or maybe a Vikings/Jets Superbowl. There's a story line for you.

01-19-2010, 05:16 PM	#39
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: CONSPIRACY So it all boils down to symantics and what is meant by conspiracy ( a term I have not used in this thread until now). It wouldn't take some clendestine effort to make a difference. The commish (way before Goddel) could have said in an owners meeting or memo to league during the summer or during labor negotiations with the refs "Wow, what a great season we had. Team x had a great year in winning the SB. More people watched that game than ever! We also had record merchandise sales this year. Hey, I see team x lead all in those sales as well. Wow people sure like to represnt teams X,Y, and Z. Also player so and so lead all individuals in jersey sales. Interesting. Anyway, let's get back to our discussion about revenue". So, they know high revenue for the league will mean more money for the refs and players when the next contract negotiations come around. So, no, I don't think that someone has whispered to the refs or sent a memo out to anyone to cheat. But any ref knows it is better for league revenue if the Steelers, or Pats or Colts or Giants win games than if the Saints or Seahawks or Texans win games. Better league revenue means more available money for them as well. Some may call that a conspiracy. It's not the WWE, so it is not fixed all the way, but the field is hardly level. I appreciate if you think it is all on the up and up. I wish I did. I just don't. But I don't think that means we can't or won't win. Just that we will have to work that much harder and be that much better than Mini-sota. Because if it comes down to a close game with an important review to determine if Bret f;&@ing Favre threw an int or not, I don't like our chances.
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01-19-2010, 05:40 PM	#40
MorningWood 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 180	Re: CONSPIRACY St Mike, think about what you wrote. The ref's actions would be very far removed from any financial benefit he might receive. Favre sells jerseys. If I throw a flag, Favre goes to the SB. Revenues increase league wide by .0000001%. Commish sees this increase and spreads the wealth to all refs. The difference in my pocketbook is .05% --- maybe, if all goes well with my evil scheme. Payday baby!
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