Let's keep it Real

lumm0x · 09-15-2003, 07:15 PM

Well Billy....that statement did have some crystal ball remarks in it, but at the time it was said pretty much everything was based on factual evidence. At the time the post was made, the team had dropped 3 or 4 pre-season games and a regular season road opener. At that point in the 2003-2004 year, no the defense hadn\'t gotten better. To say that they will not get better was that person\'s individual assumption and there is no way that it could be based on facts. Just like saying the defense WILL get better would be the same. So in that right, saying it will or won\'t is unjustified, but that it may or may not would be justified. It then falls to a question of semantics and how statements are interpretted.

Everyone on here is guilty of making hard statements to try to emphasize the conviction of their opinions. I guess that leaves them open to criticism as well.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-15-2003, 07:24 PM

LummOx--

It\'s not anything personal against anyone. I just think some members are so obsessed with bashing the front office, coaches, players, quarterback, that they don\'t attempt to see that MAYBE just MAYBE this team has improved.

As much as everyone like Sammy Knight he isn\'t doing so well in Miami right now and I believe he hurt our defense last year. I also beleive Turley hurt our O-line last year and this year he is doing terrible in St. Louis.

Some think our offense isn\'t as good as last year. I find that hard to believe. We have the same starters with an added year of experience in the system and a legit tight-end. Yet they give me some off the wall reason as to why they aren\'t going to be any good. I just don\'t see it.

They tell me the defense isn\'t going to be any good because we didn\'t sign the players they wanted and the front office isn\'t commited to winning. I see a 1st round draft choice on the line. An improved Grady Jackson. Howard Grant is a difference maker. They tell me preseason told the story. I\'m sorry -- I just ain\'t buying it -- Not till I see more becaause RIGHT NOW, they ain\'t looking to bad....

BlackandBlue · 09-15-2003, 07:38 PM

Yeah, I was nitpicking, but it\'s fun for me to get you all worked up. I call it \"interactive entertainment.\" I still stand by what I said, and no, it wasn\'t implying that everyone is entitled to an opinion except you, I\'m still trying to figure out where you got that. All I did was ask you a question and suddenly you\'re laying out more drama than Meryl Streep. I read it all the time, conversation rolls along, then out of left field, you decide to get confrontational- like you have something to prove. People here are growing weary of it, I\'ve read it several times. Push people far enough and they will skip your posts and threads entirely, possibly missing good information that you may bring to the table. But it won\'t matter to them, at that point.
But please, take that statement, and claim that I\'m trying to take a hit out on your life, or something else far fetched. I need a laugh.

WhoDat · 09-15-2003, 07:46 PM

lumm0x, BnB - I know you two weren\'t explicitly coming to my defense, but thanks for your posts. This is what I\'ve been saying for a long time. We can all over analyze the meaning of each other\'s posts and make almost any meaning out of them. Billy is very good at this. The problem is that there are people on this board that do not read into the spirit of the post. The implied meaning - what was trying to be said.

My major problem with Billy is his inability to distinguish between his opinion and fact. Basically, no one on here is posting fact, simply their own perception of events.

The thing that is most glaring to me about the post that Billy used is this...

He used this quote to show people making \"unjustified\" statements:

\"But like I said, the defense didn\'t get any better this off season. They\'re bad and will stay that way.\"

He\'s alleging that I stated that as FACT, but in fact it is a prediction or opinion. Of course, the real issue here is that Billy disagrees. Notice that he didn\'t question these statements:

\"All is not lost...\"
\"This team will win some games. They remain incredibly talented on offense.\"
\"The offense will pick it up over this week\'s performance...\"

Those quotes are equally, if not more, speculative than the quote he chose. Of course, the quotes above support his opinions, and thus he does not take issue with them. This is Billy\'s real problem.

Overall, he is a good poster. He stirs the sh!t and has strong opinions. He, and especially saintfan, need to learn how to concede every once in a while, but both make this board a better place.

In any case, this board is one in which opinions are posted. They are ALL justified. Who are we to determine what is justified or unjustified. I\'d bet a lot of money that if you told Billy last season when the Saints were 7-2 that they wouldn\'t make the playoffs, he\'d have said that was \"unjustified\". I bet if you told his two years ago that the 1-3 Patties would win the Super Bowl he would say that was \"unjustified\". Point is, NO ONE knows the future, and regardless of knowledge, experience, or any grounds in reality whatsoever, NO OPINION is un justified.

rusta · 09-15-2003, 07:48 PM

thanx B&B for proving what i thought was happening, which is...

that 75% of the bashing is just to get under billy\'s skin

i really was starting to think you guys really were panthers fans for a little while

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-15-2003, 07:54 PM

Well \"Saints Fans\" continue on telling everyone how great Jake Delhomme is and how much the Saints suck. Say something enough times and SOMEONE will beleive you.

B&B -- You seem to want to bring this on a personal level. You are entitled to your opinins of me and everything else. As far as members skipping over my posts -- If that the case then that\'s just going to have to be the way it is. I will continue to believe what it is I believe and will continue to laugh at the doomsayers.

BlackandBlue · 09-15-2003, 07:56 PM

thanx B&B for proving what i thought was happening, which is...

that 75% of the bashing is just to get under billy\'s skin

i really was starting to think you guys really were panthers fans for a little while

LOL

I think I\'ve tested damn near everyone here, except the moderators, so you can never say that I\'ve ever singled anyone out. Billy does provide the most entertainment, so much so that it\'s not even close.
Speaking of moderators, if Pak is no longer a moderator, that makes him fair game. I\'ll be watching you, Yoda, very closely. :P

EDIT: Billy, if this was personal, I\'d ignore you.

[Edited on 16/9/2003 by BlackandBlue]

WhoDat · 09-15-2003, 07:58 PM

You know, I think the story of how YODA got his name needs to be posted somewhere. I don\'t get enough credit for that. I mean, after all, isn\'t this board all about one thing...??? ME?!?! LOL

Anyone ever hear how Yoda learned about the force?

Saintsfan4ever · 09-15-2003, 08:41 PM

FWtex:
___________________________________________________________________________

Billy, what band instument did you play? Is your name spelled Billy or Billie? I ask because you always interpret everyting like a woman

___________________________________________________________________________

That is so hillarious, cause I was thinking the exact same thing!!!

Billy, I do a whole lot more reading on here than I do posting, and you are NOT very open to other`s opinions. Just like YOU do, many people state their opinion in factual style and other people seem to understand that. Last week I posted a reply to a question of \"What would Brooks have to do to get some respect?\" you replied to my post and called it \"garbage\". Like my opinion had no factual basis. (it was an opinion for the love of pizza

)
Now your boy Brooks played at an exceptable level last sunday, and the defense played fantastic, but for you to make playoff predictions based on what we`ve seen thus far.......now I`m not going to call this \"garbage\".... but it aint poetry.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-15-2003, 09:12 PM

First things first. Everyone of you are entitled to your opinion. Just like I am entitled to mine.

1. I will call into question anyone who says Aaron Brooks sucks.

2. I will call into question anyone who says the Saints do not have a realitic shot at going to the playoffs.

3. I will call into question anyone who says that preseason told us anything.

4. I will call into question anyone who says Jake Delhomme has proved anything. Much less being a \"Franchise QB\"

Know why I think it is foolish to make those statements?

A.) As far as I\'m concerned you have nothing to support none of this with, except a bunch of garbage.

B. ) Because just as sure as you can go around trying to convice me and others that this is more than likely gonna happen -- I can sure say just the oppsite --

B.)

09-15-2003, 07:15 PM	#21
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Let's keep it Real Well Billy....that statement did have some crystal ball remarks in it, but at the time it was said pretty much everything was based on factual evidence. At the time the post was made, the team had dropped 3 or 4 pre-season games and a regular season road opener. At that point in the 2003-2004 year, no the defense hadn\'t gotten better. To say that they will not get better was that person\'s individual assumption and there is no way that it could be based on facts. Just like saying the defense WILL get better would be the same. So in that right, saying it will or won\'t is unjustified, but that it may or may not would be justified. It then falls to a question of semantics and how statements are interpretted. Everyone on here is guilty of making hard statements to try to emphasize the conviction of their opinions. I guess that leaves them open to criticism as well.

09-15-2003, 07:24 PM	#22
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Let's keep it Real LummOx-- It\'s not anything personal against anyone. I just think some members are so obsessed with bashing the front office, coaches, players, quarterback, that they don\'t attempt to see that MAYBE just MAYBE this team has improved. As much as everyone like Sammy Knight he isn\'t doing so well in Miami right now and I believe he hurt our defense last year. I also beleive Turley hurt our O-line last year and this year he is doing terrible in St. Louis. Some think our offense isn\'t as good as last year. I find that hard to believe. We have the same starters with an added year of experience in the system and a legit tight-end. Yet they give me some off the wall reason as to why they aren\'t going to be any good. I just don\'t see it. They tell me the defense isn\'t going to be any good because we didn\'t sign the players they wanted and the front office isn\'t commited to winning. I see a 1st round draft choice on the line. An improved Grady Jackson. Howard Grant is a difference maker. They tell me preseason told the story. I\'m sorry -- I just ain\'t buying it -- Not till I see more becaause RIGHT NOW, they ain\'t looking to bad....
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

09-15-2003, 07:38 PM	#23
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Let's keep it Real Yeah, I was nitpicking, but it\'s fun for me to get you all worked up. I call it \"interactive entertainment.\" I still stand by what I said, and no, it wasn\'t implying that everyone is entitled to an opinion except you, I\'m still trying to figure out where you got that. All I did was ask you a question and suddenly you\'re laying out more drama than Meryl Streep. I read it all the time, conversation rolls along, then out of left field, you decide to get confrontational- like you have something to prove. People here are growing weary of it, I\'ve read it several times. Push people far enough and they will skip your posts and threads entirely, possibly missing good information that you may bring to the table. But it won\'t matter to them, at that point. But please, take that statement, and claim that I\'m trying to take a hit out on your life, or something else far fetched. I need a laugh.
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

09-15-2003, 07:46 PM	#24
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Let's keep it Real lumm0x, BnB - I know you two weren\'t explicitly coming to my defense, but thanks for your posts. This is what I\'ve been saying for a long time. We can all over analyze the meaning of each other\'s posts and make almost any meaning out of them. Billy is very good at this. The problem is that there are people on this board that do not read into the spirit of the post. The implied meaning - what was trying to be said. My major problem with Billy is his inability to distinguish between his opinion and fact. Basically, no one on here is posting fact, simply their own perception of events. The thing that is most glaring to me about the post that Billy used is this... He used this quote to show people making \"unjustified\" statements: \"But like I said, the defense didn\'t get any better this off season. They\'re bad and will stay that way.\" He\'s alleging that I stated that as FACT, but in fact it is a prediction or opinion. Of course, the real issue here is that Billy disagrees. Notice that he didn\'t question these statements: \"All is not lost...\" \"This team will win some games. They remain incredibly talented on offense.\" \"The offense will pick it up over this week\'s performance...\" Those quotes are equally, if not more, speculative than the quote he chose. Of course, the quotes above support his opinions, and thus he does not take issue with them. This is Billy\'s real problem. Overall, he is a good poster. He stirs the sh!t and has strong opinions. He, and especially saintfan, need to learn how to concede every once in a while, but both make this board a better place. In any case, this board is one in which opinions are posted. They are ALL justified. Who are we to determine what is justified or unjustified. I\'d bet a lot of money that if you told Billy last season when the Saints were 7-2 that they wouldn\'t make the playoffs, he\'d have said that was \"unjustified\". I bet if you told his two years ago that the 1-3 Patties would win the Super Bowl he would say that was \"unjustified\". Point is, NO ONE knows the future, and regardless of knowledge, experience, or any grounds in reality whatsoever, NO OPINION is un justified.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-15-2003, 07:48 PM	#25
rusta 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 361	Let's keep it Real thanx B&B for proving what i thought was happening, which is... that 75% of the bashing is just to get under billy\'s skin i really was starting to think you guys really were panthers fans for a little while
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09-15-2003, 07:54 PM	#26
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Let's keep it Real Well \"Saints Fans\" continue on telling everyone how great Jake Delhomme is and how much the Saints suck. Say something enough times and SOMEONE will beleive you. B&B -- You seem to want to bring this on a personal level. You are entitled to your opinins of me and everything else. As far as members skipping over my posts -- If that the case then that\'s just going to have to be the way it is. I will continue to believe what it is I believe and will continue to laugh at the doomsayers.
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09-15-2003, 07:56 PM	#27
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Let's keep it Real thanx B&B for proving what i thought was happening, which is... that 75% of the bashing is just to get under billy\'s skin i really was starting to think you guys really were panthers fans for a little while LOL I think I\'ve tested damn near everyone here, except the moderators, so you can never say that I\'ve ever singled anyone out. Billy does provide the most entertainment, so much so that it\'s not even close. Speaking of moderators, if Pak is no longer a moderator, that makes him fair game. I\'ll be watching you, Yoda, very closely. :P EDIT: Billy, if this was personal, I\'d ignore you. [Edited on 16/9/2003 by BlackandBlue]

09-15-2003, 07:58 PM	#28
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Let's keep it Real You know, I think the story of how YODA got his name needs to be posted somewhere. I don\'t get enough credit for that. I mean, after all, isn\'t this board all about one thing...??? ME?!?! LOL Anyone ever hear how Yoda learned about the force?
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09-15-2003, 08:41 PM	#29
Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1	Let's keep it Real FWtex: ___________________________________________________________________________ Billy, what band instument did you play? Is your name spelled Billy or Billie? I ask because you always interpret everyting like a woman ___________________________________________________________________________ That is so hillarious, cause I was thinking the exact same thing!!! Billy, I do a whole lot more reading on here than I do posting, and you are NOT very open to other`s opinions. Just like YOU do, many people state their opinion in factual style and other people seem to understand that. Last week I posted a reply to a question of \"What would Brooks have to do to get some respect?\" you replied to my post and called it \"garbage\". Like my opinion had no factual basis. (it was an opinion for the love of pizza ) Now your boy Brooks played at an exceptable level last sunday, and the defense played fantastic, but for you to make playoff predictions based on what we`ve seen thus far.......now I`m not going to call this \"garbage\".... but it aint poetry.
	Saint4

09-15-2003, 09:12 PM	#30
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Let's keep it Real First things first. Everyone of you are entitled to your opinion. Just like I am entitled to mine. 1. I will call into question anyone who says Aaron Brooks sucks. 2. I will call into question anyone who says the Saints do not have a realitic shot at going to the playoffs. 3. I will call into question anyone who says that preseason told us anything. 4. I will call into question anyone who says Jake Delhomme has proved anything. Much less being a \"Franchise QB\" Know why I think it is foolish to make those statements? A.) As far as I\'m concerned you have nothing to support none of this with, except a bunch of garbage. B. ) Because just as sure as you can go around trying to convice me and others that this is more than likely gonna happen -- I can sure say just the oppsite -- B.)
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