Let's keep it Real

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-15-2003, 04:49 AM

Here's the deal. I have believed that the Saints have a very real chance at going to the playoffs this year. Many (you know who you are) have stated in no uncertain terms they believe that the Saints do not have a chance to get to the playoffs.

After 2 games I have not been proven right and the bashers ( and I use that word because it really does apply) have not been proven right either. The FACT is that no one can be proven right or wrong until the Saints are mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs.

I have no illusions that because we won one game that this means we are Super Bowl bound. I'm not that foolish. I also wasn't foolish enough to go around preaching that the Saints sucked after we lost to Seattle last week. I'm not here to call anyone foolish or to say "hey look I'm was right".

What I am here to say is it's going to be a roller coaster ride this year. Now, all of you can come on here after every loss and say how bad the Saints suck and I can keep telling you to be patient and keep giving you reasons why I don't think they are, or we can all have a little more patience.

Some members ( Rusta, smitty, lummOx, B&B, tweeky, saintsfan, JoeSam, nocloning) have criticised, but they DID NOT go around telling everyone how bad the Saints are going to suck the whole year. Now, some members have gone to great lengths not only to point out how bad the Saints have looked but to say that they will continue to be LOSERS the whole year.

If these first 2 games have told us nothing else, I would hope that it has told us that we need to have patience and let's criticise when justified and not go around saying some of the stuff that's being said.

Of course that's just my opinion and I really don't care what any of you say because I will continue to be the most optimistic person on this board.

WhoDat · 09-15-2003, 06:44 AM

If the first two games have taught us nothing then how can you say criticism is unjustified? Billy - you really need to learn that there is a difference b/w when something is justified and when YOU THINK something is justified.

I think it\'s funny how you skew things sometimes. For example, I was clumped in the category of Bashers in your post who apparently believer the Saints are going to be \"LOSERS\". I predicted 8-8. That\'s neutral last I checked.

Should we show this team some patience? Yes, you\'re right about that, we should. But until they prove that they can win in November and December and make the playoffs, they\'re the same ole Saints. Further, even if they win the Super Bowl, that\'s not to say that no criticism is warranted about any part of the team. They could win the Super Bowl and Jay Bellamy would still suck.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-15-2003, 06:56 AM

First off -- I didn\'t say anything about WhoDat. I think you have been more fair than others, but I still think you reach at times with some of the stuff.

You\'re right about some criticism being warranted but if you think that All of the things that have been said is warranted -- maybe you need to go back and read what has REALLY been said.

I find a lot of the critisicm is justified but a lot of it was BullSh!t. I find it funny how you skew things around. For instance the comment about Jake being a fanchise QB after one start. And the comment about how you KNOW the Saints screwed up the defense.

Now I ask you to go back and show me where I skewed anything.

FWtex · 09-15-2003, 08:44 AM

Billy, making the playoffs is not good enough for me this year. sorry, but this team should have been ready for a conference championship at the minimum this year.

This is what makes you and me complete opposites. If the saints do not play sound football every week I will pick them apart because it means there is place for improvement.

I am one who can\'t tolerate excuses in anything. If you suck, admit it and do something about it to make yourself better. If you are good, remember you have to do it again, and again, and again.

saintfan · 09-15-2003, 08:48 AM

Did someone say Jake Delhomme was a franchise QB?

hmmmmm...

Did they really?

...interesting

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-15-2003, 08:54 AM

Billy, making the playoffs is not good enough for me this year. sorry, but this team should have been ready for a conference championship at the minimum this year.

This is what makes you and me complete opposites. If the saints do not play sound football every week I will pick them apart because it means there is place for improvement.

I am one who can\'t tolerate excuses in anything. If you suck, admit it and do something about it to make yourself better. If you are good, remember you have to do it again, and again, and again.

FWtex -- Look man -- I don\'t want to question your football knowledge any more than I already have but geez.

If you can\'t toerate anything but perfection, then you need to stop watching football. How did the Bucs look to you yesterday or any other team for that matter? If you pick apart teams because there is room for improvement then you will pick apart EVERY TEAM.

Why stop at the conference championship? Why don\'t you demand a Super Bowl Victory with a dominate performance of 50-0? You got to get to the playoffs first !!

FWtex · 09-15-2003, 12:40 PM

Billy, what band instument did you play? Is your name spelled Billy or Billie? I ask because you always interpret everyting like a woman.

I was really giving you credit for knowing what it takes to be a winner in sports but you ruined that now.

I\'ll try this one more time but since you never ever answer anyones question on this board I am not expecting much of a reply from you.

Why do coaches spend time after every game reviewing film of the last game? I guess all good players and coaches should get out of football too?

BlackandBlue · 09-15-2003, 01:53 PM

Patience does not apply in Pro Football. This is not baseball, where you play 162 games in a season, we only have 16 games. Every game must be played, and played with urgency. Patience would allow a team to get to a 2-6 record at the half-way mark, leaving them having to win 8 straight to stay in contention for the playoffs.
Criticism is a justifiable evil with a team like the Saints. Criticism in politics, for example, is part of a series of checks and balances we have in place to help monitor the actions of those with great responsibility. Without criticism, individuals become complacent or indifferent. Indifference leads to self destruction. I would rather someone love me or hate me, instead of feel nothing at all towards me, at least with love/hate I know where I stand with that individual.
We know the Saints have the talent to succeed. I believe that in order to succeed, we must cast patience aside and surround themselves with a sense of urgency, in every aspect of their daily lives. The only weapon we have to monitor the players is criticism. As long as it is justified.

JOESAM2002 · 09-15-2003, 02:16 PM

Amen, B&B, it\'s tough being Semi-king! LOL :P

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-15-2003, 02:20 PM

You are right B&B -- As long as it\'s justified. But, I can show you plenty that\'s not justified and that\'s the part I have a problem with. If fans can bash just for the sake of bashing then they ought to expect to be called on it.

09-15-2003, 04:49 AM	#1
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Let's keep it Real Here's the deal. I have believed that the Saints have a very real chance at going to the playoffs this year. Many (you know who you are) have stated in no uncertain terms they believe that the Saints do not have a chance to get to the playoffs. After 2 games I have not been proven right and the bashers ( and I use that word because it really does apply) have not been proven right either. The FACT is that no one can be proven right or wrong until the Saints are mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs. I have no illusions that because we won one game that this means we are Super Bowl bound. I'm not that foolish. I also wasn't foolish enough to go around preaching that the Saints sucked after we lost to Seattle last week. I'm not here to call anyone foolish or to say "hey look I'm was right". What I am here to say is it's going to be a roller coaster ride this year. Now, all of you can come on here after every loss and say how bad the Saints suck and I can keep telling you to be patient and keep giving you reasons why I don't think they are, or we can all have a little more patience. Some members ( Rusta, smitty, lummOx, B&B, tweeky, saintsfan, JoeSam, nocloning) have criticised, but they DID NOT go around telling everyone how bad the Saints are going to suck the whole year. Now, some members have gone to great lengths not only to point out how bad the Saints have looked but to say that they will continue to be LOSERS the whole year. If these first 2 games have told us nothing else, I would hope that it has told us that we need to have patience and let's criticise when justified and not go around saying some of the stuff that's being said. Of course that's just my opinion and I really don't care what any of you say because I will continue to be the most optimistic person on this board.
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09-15-2003, 06:44 AM	#2
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Let's keep it Real If the first two games have taught us nothing then how can you say criticism is unjustified? Billy - you really need to learn that there is a difference b/w when something is justified and when YOU THINK something is justified. I think it\'s funny how you skew things sometimes. For example, I was clumped in the category of Bashers in your post who apparently believer the Saints are going to be \"LOSERS\". I predicted 8-8. That\'s neutral last I checked. Should we show this team some patience? Yes, you\'re right about that, we should. But until they prove that they can win in November and December and make the playoffs, they\'re the same ole Saints. Further, even if they win the Super Bowl, that\'s not to say that no criticism is warranted about any part of the team. They could win the Super Bowl and Jay Bellamy would still suck.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-15-2003, 06:56 AM	#3
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Let's keep it Real First off -- I didn\'t say anything about WhoDat. I think you have been more fair than others, but I still think you reach at times with some of the stuff. You\'re right about some criticism being warranted but if you think that All of the things that have been said is warranted -- maybe you need to go back and read what has REALLY been said. I find a lot of the critisicm is justified but a lot of it was BullSh!t. I find it funny how you skew things around. For instance the comment about Jake being a fanchise QB after one start. And the comment about how you KNOW the Saints screwed up the defense. Now I ask you to go back and show me where I skewed anything.
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09-15-2003, 08:44 AM	#4
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	Let's keep it Real Billy, making the playoffs is not good enough for me this year. sorry, but this team should have been ready for a conference championship at the minimum this year. This is what makes you and me complete opposites. If the saints do not play sound football every week I will pick them apart because it means there is place for improvement. I am one who can\'t tolerate excuses in anything. If you suck, admit it and do something about it to make yourself better. If you are good, remember you have to do it again, and again, and again.
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09-15-2003, 08:48 AM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Let's keep it Real Did someone say Jake Delhomme was a franchise QB? hmmmmm... Did they really? ...interesting

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09-15-2003, 08:54 AM	#6
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Let's keep it Real Billy, making the playoffs is not good enough for me this year. sorry, but this team should have been ready for a conference championship at the minimum this year. This is what makes you and me complete opposites. If the saints do not play sound football every week I will pick them apart because it means there is place for improvement. I am one who can\'t tolerate excuses in anything. If you suck, admit it and do something about it to make yourself better. If you are good, remember you have to do it again, and again, and again. FWtex -- Look man -- I don\'t want to question your football knowledge any more than I already have but geez. If you can\'t toerate anything but perfection, then you need to stop watching football. How did the Bucs look to you yesterday or any other team for that matter? If you pick apart teams because there is room for improvement then you will pick apart EVERY TEAM. Why stop at the conference championship? Why don\'t you demand a Super Bowl Victory with a dominate performance of 50-0? You got to get to the playoffs first !!
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09-15-2003, 12:40 PM	#7
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	Let's keep it Real Billy, what band instument did you play? Is your name spelled Billy or Billie? I ask because you always interpret everyting like a woman. I was really giving you credit for knowing what it takes to be a winner in sports but you ruined that now. I\'ll try this one more time but since you never ever answer anyones question on this board I am not expecting much of a reply from you. Why do coaches spend time after every game reviewing film of the last game? I guess all good players and coaches should get out of football too?
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09-15-2003, 01:53 PM	#8
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Let's keep it Real Patience does not apply in Pro Football. This is not baseball, where you play 162 games in a season, we only have 16 games. Every game must be played, and played with urgency. Patience would allow a team to get to a 2-6 record at the half-way mark, leaving them having to win 8 straight to stay in contention for the playoffs. Criticism is a justifiable evil with a team like the Saints. Criticism in politics, for example, is part of a series of checks and balances we have in place to help monitor the actions of those with great responsibility. Without criticism, individuals become complacent or indifferent. Indifference leads to self destruction. I would rather someone love me or hate me, instead of feel nothing at all towards me, at least with love/hate I know where I stand with that individual. We know the Saints have the talent to succeed. I believe that in order to succeed, we must cast patience aside and surround themselves with a sense of urgency, in every aspect of their daily lives. The only weapon we have to monitor the players is criticism. As long as it is justified.
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

09-15-2003, 02:16 PM	#9
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Let's keep it Real Amen, B&B, it\'s tough being Semi-king! LOL :P

09-15-2003, 02:20 PM	#10
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Let's keep it Real You are right B&B -- As long as it\'s justified. But, I can show you plenty that\'s not justified and that\'s the part I have a problem with. If fans can bash just for the sake of bashing then they ought to expect to be called on it.
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