Back-up QB options?

SAINT_MICHAEL · 03-15-2010, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

in the carolina game.....with backups? against the #4 pass defense in the league? with all their starters in? thats the game you are judging?

come on brother. one game does not make a career.......brunell filled in for 1 game in 2 years against one of the premiere defenses in the league and your basing your opinion of him on that one game

but you'd rather have guys like derek anderson or jake delhomme who had a combined 11 TDs to 28 INTs

guys who lost a combined 6 fumbles in 18 starts combined......guys who couldnt make it on 2 of the worst teams in the league?

Just like Brunell couldn't make it on Washington, another poor team. If Drew goes down, no way does he lead us to wins. Very good career, but time has caught him. Playing with backups doesn't explain why he had difficulty throwing catchable passes. During preseason and limited duty he has looked poor. I would prefer a direct snap to PT/Bush than have him behind center. Rember his fake fieldgoal pass to Dinkins? It's hard to argue he has much left based on performance here, his inability to stay on in Washington and the fact that no other team has any interest in him as their starter. Brunell 10 years ago? Sure I'd take him. Brunell now, I'll pass....because he can't.

D_it_up · 03-15-2010, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by mjf150

Is there a reason that you left out that he was playing with second and even third stringers?

Almost every receiver on the roster that was healthy played in the game. Maybe not for long, but they did. Colston, Meachem, and Henderson all saw action. They had a combined 4 catches on 14 targets for an impressive 33 yards. Brunell barely completed 50% of his passes and had a 45.5 QB rating. With Brunell being a back-up, who do you think he practices the most with? The 1st team? No. It's the 2nd and 3rd stringers. He should have been more comfortable back there, because he was playing with the guys he practices with the majority of the time. Instead, he stunk up the place.

CantonLegend · 03-15-2010, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by D_it_up

Exactly. That is exactly what I am basing it on. Regardless of the starters that played that day for Carolina, they played pathetic on defense. If Brees had started, they would have been picked apart.

there is a distinct difference between brees and brunell.....just like there is between brees and DA and brees and delhomme and brees and any other QB in the league.......drew is a freak of nature at the QB position...thats why brunell is a backup

They had nothing to play for but a .500 season and they showed it. Brunell's passes were terrible. Not even close to their mark. Why did the Saints run the majority of the time in the game?

why did they run the majority of the game.......4th ranked pass defense, 22nd ranked rush defense....significant difference between strength and weakness of that defense

Because Brunell isn't good anymore. That's why. Brunell wouldn't be a starter for any team in the NFL right now.

ru sure? there are a lot of teams that could use QBs right about now...think rams, 49ers, panthers, browns, bills, raiders, buccaneers....etc

And yes. I would rather have someone like Jake or Derek as a back up. Look at the receivers those two had to work with. Jake had a receiver that is probably on the down slope of his career in Steve Smith. Other than that, he had nothing. What did Anderson, or even Quinn for that matter, have in Cleveland? You should be able to answer that, because you talk about the Browns enough on here. If you can't, I'll answer for you. They had NOTHING. Their receivers were crap. You can't be good if you have nothing to work with.

first i'll respond to the browns thing......the browns are a terrible team....ive defended DA and quinn a lot because of the lack of talent on that team....having said that, DA is one of the most inaccurate passers ive seen....i said that in his pro bowl season.....i said that the year after his pro bowl season......the browns were much better off with charlie frye starting because he could move in the pocket and avoid pressure......DA wants starter money and will not settle for a backup position

secondly......the players that delhomme and DA were playing with are starters.....the players that brunell was playing with.....darnell dinkins, lynell hamilton, robert meachem, kyle eckel.....etc......now i know we are all homers here, but when other teams look at us, do you think they are scared of any of those players? probably not.....the lone name that stands out is meachem who has had 1 solid season in 3 years and could be a good player if he continues like that

Anderson is two years removed from a pretty darn good season when he had more to work with. I'm not saying they would be All-World with the Saints if we had either one and something happened to Brees, but I would feel more comfortable seeing them behind center than Brunell. I don't care what kind of resume' Brunell has. He isn't good anymore. At all.

the year anderson made the pro bowl.....he threw 19 INTs and completed only 56% of his passes

mark brunell has completed less than 56% of his passes only 2 seasons in his entire career.....his first season played in 1994(played 2 games....27 pass attempts) and this past season when he played 1 game

D_it_up · 03-15-2010, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

there is a distinct difference between brees and brunell.....just like there is between brees and DA and brees and delhomme and brees and any other QB in the league.......drew is a freak of nature at the QB position...thats why brunell is a backup

And Brunell will continue to be a back-up, at best, no matter what team he plays for.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

why did they run the majority of the game.......4th ranked pass defense, 22nd ranked rush defense....significant difference between strength and weakness of that defense

Actually, I correct myself. They only ran the ball three more times than they passed, so it was balanced. Regardless, Brunell's passes were horrible and, as I stated in another post, he works with the 2nd and 3rd stringers on a regular basis. He should have been comfortable with them, but he did not look comfortable at all back there in the pocket. He could only complete short passes, and even those looked shaky. Anytime he went down the field, he either grossly overthrew or underthrew his receiver.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

ru sure? there are a lot of teams that could use QBs right about now...think rams, 49ers, panthers, browns, bills, raiders, buccaneers....etc

Brunell would look just as horrible on any of these teams, as well. You just listed a bunch of teams that are also horrible and have nothing to work with. Rams? Donnie Avery is the #1 receiver? Come on. 49ers? No one on that team but Vernon Davis. The jury is still out on Crabtree, because he hasn't played a full season yet. Panthers? I've already said my peace about them. They have a one-trick pony in Steve Smith. Browns? Yep. Already covered them, too. Bills? They had Lee Evans T.O and a horrible offensive line that couldn't make it protective custody much less protect a QB. Raiders? Notice how much better they were with Gradkowski in as QB than Russell? Buccaneers? Freeman will be the starter there next year regardless. Brunell wouldn't beat him out at all.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

first i'll respond to the browns thing......the browns are a terrible team....ive defended DA and quinn a lot because of the lack of talent on that team....having said that, DA is one of the most inaccurate passers ive seen....i said that in his pro bowl season.....i said that the year after his pro bowl season......the browns were much better off with charlie frye starting because he could move in the pocket and avoid pressure......DA wants starter money and will not settle for a backup position

secondly......the players that delhomme and DA were playing with are starters.....the players that brunell was playing with.....darnell dinkins, lynell hamilton, robert meachem, kyle eckel.....etc......now i know we are all homers here, but when other teams look at us, do you think they are scared of any of those players? probably not.....the lone name that stands out is meachem who has had 1 solid season in 3 years and could be a good player if he continues like that

Again, as I stated above and in another post, Brunell practices with the 2nd and 3rd string, so he should have had a better game. Point is that he didn't. He stunk.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

mark brunell has completed less than 56% of his passes only 2 seasons in his entire career.....his first season played in 1994(played 2 games....27 pass attempts) and this past season when he played 1 game

And how many games has Brunell played in the last four years? If he could have been a starter on any other team, then why would he settle for a back-up job with the Saints, knowing he wouldn't see the field unless something happened to Drew. Why didn't Delhomme do the same thing? Because he is confident enough in himself that he can still start. That's why he went to a team where he can compete for it. If Brunell is that confident, let him walk. Let him go to a team that he thinks he can start for. We will see how far that gets him.

strato · 03-15-2010, 08:19 PM

Denver just released Chris Simms

D_it_up · 03-15-2010, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Denver just released Chris Simms

He is probably the last option I would consider. He hasn't been the same since that spleen injury...or whatever it was he hurt.

pumpkindriver · 03-16-2010, 06:39 AM

Having read everyones comments, all I can add is this, Brunell is probably going to stay on as our back-up QB, mostly due to northing better being out there in FA. IMO he doesn't have it anymore and can't make the throws but do any of you see any good veterans out there willing to sign as a backup? I sure don't. Maybe the kid will develop, we'll just have to see but once again we are in the same boat as last year. Pray nothing happens to Brees.

Turbo Saint · 03-17-2010, 01:11 AM

brunell is a waste of money...he does nothing. i'm sure someone else could hold the snaps better than he did last year.

SaintPauly · 03-17-2010, 02:06 AM

I have an idea, let's make Drew Brees the second stringer, behind Drew Brees. Honestly, I would take an injured Drew, over either one of our back ups, any day of the week. And we all know he's not human anyway. He is an NFL robot, sent back from the future, to destroy all those in his path. I swear I saw a Skynet tattoo on his ankle.

VillainAgain · 03-17-2010, 11:52 AM

Gentelmen while having a solid plan B is always a issue, "WE HAVE THE BEST QB IN THE GAME IN HIS PRIME" why are we worring about something that wont be an issue for 6 years from now? I say Daniel can use the time to learn under one of the greats of our generation, Look at Arron Rodgers he sat behind Darth Vader foreverand when he got his chance he was prepared to take over from the expierence he gained learning the offense and watching it executed correctly.( sum what)

If we were to look into a serviceable back-up I say pry Tyler Thigpen from the Phins, He got shafted when haley came to town, He's not bad reminds me of a young Rich Gannon, Stat mongurs be advised no one can do well behind a bad offensive line.( See Jay Cutler)

03-15-2010, 03:21 PM	#21
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Back-up QB options? Originally Posted by CantonLegend in the carolina game.....with backups? against the #4 pass defense in the league? with all their starters in? thats the game you are judging? come on brother. one game does not make a career.......brunell filled in for 1 game in 2 years against one of the premiere defenses in the league and your basing your opinion of him on that one game but you'd rather have guys like derek anderson or jake delhomme who had a combined 11 TDs to 28 INTs guys who lost a combined 6 fumbles in 18 starts combined......guys who couldnt make it on 2 of the worst teams in the league? Just like Brunell couldn't make it on Washington, another poor team. If Drew goes down, no way does he lead us to wins. Very good career, but time has caught him. Playing with backups doesn't explain why he had difficulty throwing catchable passes. During preseason and limited duty he has looked poor. I would prefer a direct snap to PT/Bush than have him behind center. Rember his fake fieldgoal pass to Dinkins? It's hard to argue he has much left based on performance here, his inability to stay on in Washington and the fact that no other team has any interest in him as their starter. Brunell 10 years ago? Sure I'd take him. Brunell now, I'll pass....because he can't.
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03-15-2010, 03:21 PM	#22
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Back-up QB options? Originally Posted by mjf150 Is there a reason that you left out that he was playing with second and even third stringers? Almost every receiver on the roster that was healthy played in the game. Maybe not for long, but they did. Colston, Meachem, and Henderson all saw action. They had a combined 4 catches on 14 targets for an impressive 33 yards. Brunell barely completed 50% of his passes and had a 45.5 QB rating. With Brunell being a back-up, who do you think he practices the most with? The 1st team? No. It's the 2nd and 3rd stringers. He should have been more comfortable back there, because he was playing with the guys he practices with the majority of the time. Instead, he stunk up the place.

03-15-2010, 03:38 PM	#23
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Back-up QB options? Originally Posted by D_it_up Exactly. That is exactly what I am basing it on. Regardless of the starters that played that day for Carolina, they played pathetic on defense. If Brees had started, they would have been picked apart. there is a distinct difference between brees and brunell.....just like there is between brees and DA and brees and delhomme and brees and any other QB in the league.......drew is a freak of nature at the QB position...thats why brunell is a backup They had nothing to play for but a .500 season and they showed it. Brunell's passes were terrible. Not even close to their mark. Why did the Saints run the majority of the time in the game? why did they run the majority of the game.......4th ranked pass defense, 22nd ranked rush defense....significant difference between strength and weakness of that defense Because Brunell isn't good anymore. That's why. Brunell wouldn't be a starter for any team in the NFL right now. ru sure? there are a lot of teams that could use QBs right about now...think rams, 49ers, panthers, browns, bills, raiders, buccaneers....etc And yes. I would rather have someone like Jake or Derek as a back up. Look at the receivers those two had to work with. Jake had a receiver that is probably on the down slope of his career in Steve Smith. Other than that, he had nothing. What did Anderson, or even Quinn for that matter, have in Cleveland? You should be able to answer that, because you talk about the Browns enough on here. If you can't, I'll answer for you. They had NOTHING. Their receivers were crap. You can't be good if you have nothing to work with. first i'll respond to the browns thing......the browns are a terrible team....ive defended DA and quinn a lot because of the lack of talent on that team....having said that, DA is one of the most inaccurate passers ive seen....i said that in his pro bowl season.....i said that the year after his pro bowl season......the browns were much better off with charlie frye starting because he could move in the pocket and avoid pressure......DA wants starter money and will not settle for a backup position secondly......the players that delhomme and DA were playing with are starters.....the players that brunell was playing with.....darnell dinkins, lynell hamilton, robert meachem, kyle eckel.....etc......now i know we are all homers here, but when other teams look at us, do you think they are scared of any of those players? probably not.....the lone name that stands out is meachem who has had 1 solid season in 3 years and could be a good player if he continues like that Anderson is two years removed from a pretty darn good season when he had more to work with. I'm not saying they would be All-World with the Saints if we had either one and something happened to Brees, but I would feel more comfortable seeing them behind center than Brunell. I don't care what kind of resume' Brunell has. He isn't good anymore. At all. the year anderson made the pro bowl.....he threw 19 INTs and completed only 56% of his passes mark brunell has completed less than 56% of his passes only 2 seasons in his entire career.....his first season played in 1994(played 2 games....27 pass attempts) and this past season when he played 1 game
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03-15-2010, 04:06 PM	#24
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Back-up QB options? Originally Posted by CantonLegend there is a distinct difference between brees and brunell.....just like there is between brees and DA and brees and delhomme and brees and any other QB in the league.......drew is a freak of nature at the QB position...thats why brunell is a backup And Brunell will continue to be a back-up, at best, no matter what team he plays for. Originally Posted by CantonLegend why did they run the majority of the game.......4th ranked pass defense, 22nd ranked rush defense....significant difference between strength and weakness of that defense Actually, I correct myself. They only ran the ball three more times than they passed, so it was balanced. Regardless, Brunell's passes were horrible and, as I stated in another post, he works with the 2nd and 3rd stringers on a regular basis. He should have been comfortable with them, but he did not look comfortable at all back there in the pocket. He could only complete short passes, and even those looked shaky. Anytime he went down the field, he either grossly overthrew or underthrew his receiver. Originally Posted by CantonLegend ru sure? there are a lot of teams that could use QBs right about now...think rams, 49ers, panthers, browns, bills, raiders, buccaneers....etc Brunell would look just as horrible on any of these teams, as well. You just listed a bunch of teams that are also horrible and have nothing to work with. Rams? Donnie Avery is the #1 receiver? Come on. 49ers? No one on that team but Vernon Davis. The jury is still out on Crabtree, because he hasn't played a full season yet. Panthers? I've already said my peace about them. They have a one-trick pony in Steve Smith. Browns? Yep. Already covered them, too. Bills? They had Lee Evans T.O and a horrible offensive line that couldn't make it protective custody much less protect a QB. Raiders? Notice how much better they were with Gradkowski in as QB than Russell? Buccaneers? Freeman will be the starter there next year regardless. Brunell wouldn't beat him out at all. Originally Posted by CantonLegend first i'll respond to the browns thing......the browns are a terrible team....ive defended DA and quinn a lot because of the lack of talent on that team....having said that, DA is one of the most inaccurate passers ive seen....i said that in his pro bowl season.....i said that the year after his pro bowl season......the browns were much better off with charlie frye starting because he could move in the pocket and avoid pressure......DA wants starter money and will not settle for a backup position secondly......the players that delhomme and DA were playing with are starters.....the players that brunell was playing with.....darnell dinkins, lynell hamilton, robert meachem, kyle eckel.....etc......now i know we are all homers here, but when other teams look at us, do you think they are scared of any of those players? probably not.....the lone name that stands out is meachem who has had 1 solid season in 3 years and could be a good player if he continues like that Again, as I stated above and in another post, Brunell practices with the 2nd and 3rd string, so he should have had a better game. Point is that he didn't. He stunk. Originally Posted by CantonLegend mark brunell has completed less than 56% of his passes only 2 seasons in his entire career.....his first season played in 1994(played 2 games....27 pass attempts) and this past season when he played 1 game And how many games has Brunell played in the last four years? If he could have been a starter on any other team, then why would he settle for a back-up job with the Saints, knowing he wouldn't see the field unless something happened to Drew. Why didn't Delhomme do the same thing? Because he is confident enough in himself that he can still start. That's why he went to a team where he can compete for it. If Brunell is that confident, let him walk. Let him go to a team that he thinks he can start for. We will see how far that gets him.

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03-16-2010, 06:39 AM	#27
pumpkindriver 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Killeen, Tx. Posts: 932	Re: Back-up QB options? Having read everyones comments, all I can add is this, Brunell is probably going to stay on as our back-up QB, mostly due to northing better being out there in FA. IMO he doesn't have it anymore and can't make the throws but do any of you see any good veterans out there willing to sign as a backup? I sure don't. Maybe the kid will develop, we'll just have to see but once again we are in the same boat as last year. Pray nothing happens to Brees.

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03-17-2010, 02:06 AM	#29
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Back-up QB options? I have an idea, let's make Drew Brees the second stringer, behind Drew Brees. Honestly, I would take an injured Drew, over either one of our back ups, any day of the week. And we all know he's not human anyway. He is an NFL robot, sent back from the future, to destroy all those in his path. I swear I saw a Skynet tattoo on his ankle.

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